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Rose McGowan: Ben Affleck is Lying, he knew about Weinstein raping me and other women

I always despised Batfleck's interpretation of the character. But I never hated the man himself. Felt sorry for him and all his current personal problems.

But now? Fuck him.

And to those thinking/hoping Tarantino is clean in all this, don't hold your breath.
 

Opto

Banned
Dude this is going on constantly. You always hear of "x person abused me" etc etc from Hollywood and it gets pushed at the back. There's so many stories about rape and pedophilia in Hollywood, you can't count it all of if you start looking up on it, it's horrifying. I think you're incredibly naive here if you really think that there wasn't some other powerful cunt that wanted him gone and ensured this kind of information spread as it needed to.

Also what is the duck thing? It sounds like a dumb meme. Only started appearing in the last week on gaf.

I don't think I buy that 100% because it's not just Weinstein that is getting ousted. Other women from different sectors of the entertainment industry are coming forward with their stories on the men that abused them.

Is another powerful man benefiting from this? Sure, but I doubt he'll have control over the next deep investigation

Milkshakes duck is
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a916

Member
You mean like the victims spoke up about it? There’s a reason they didn’t. And a reason he didn’t. It was pointed out in the Terry Crews tweets. “Do you like your paycheck? Do you like having work? Do you like being ostracized from all of that?”

The self righteousness on display is pathetic. It’s super easy to sit here and criticize people while we have absolutely nothing to lose. It’s another thing to go out of work permanently because you stuck your neck out for a friend, were 100% in the right, but their lawyers were bigger than your lawyers and now you’re selling used cars in Reseda.

This sucks. Weinstein’s out of a job and hopefully the worst for him is yet to come. But the people who “stood by and did nothing” did so for the same reasons the victims did nothing. The same reason these fuckers keep getting away with it. Because they are powerful and with a phone call you lose the part or don’t work again. Morals are sacred, but so is eating.

This is the unfortunate truth. It sucks but it is.
 

Alienfan

Member
How's he lying? Also, no one should be expected to come forward, victims or friends of victims if they hold less power than the perpetrator.

The blame should be entirely placed on Weinstein
 

- J - D -

Member
What did Cavill and Gadot do? Aside from Gadot defending Israel re: Palestinians.

Yeah, was kind of wondering that myself lol

Oh? What did Cavill do?

Well nothing anywhere near the level of protecting rapists, but Cavill's got some questionable things to say in his awkward press interviews. I don't wanna turn this into a thread about him so I'll just leave this here and that'll be that.

A helpful rundown of a press tour that's been a total ”disaster." Cavill has repeatedly reminded everyone that he doesn't care about what he's doing, he's just in it for the money. ”I'm not just doing this for the art," he told Man of the World. ”The money's fantastic and that's something which I deem... very important."

Such a remark would seem refreshingly honest if he didn't go on and on about his lavish lifestyle (spoiler: he loves first-class!), casually lament that NO ONE RECOGNIZED HIM while he trotted around in Times Square, and refer to #OscarsSoWhite as ”racist." ”Maybe the solution is to have more diversity in the members," he remarked to Man of the World. ”But does that mean we are saying that to have more black Academy members would result in more black nominations? Is that not racist itself?"

As if to finish off Henry Cavill's scorched earth campaign against, well, himself, he further told Britain's The Sunday Times that there's a ”double standard" when it comes to catcalling. ”I mean, if a girl shouts something like ‘Oi, love, fancy a shag?' to me as I walk past I do sometimes wonder how she'd feel if a builder said that to her," he said. ”Although, of course, I wouldn't feel physically threatened, as she might."
From Salon
 

samn

Member
The people in this thread saying oh Ben Affleck couldn’t say anything because he might not find work and couldn’t put bread on the table. What in the name of fuck are you talking about. That is the weakest excuse I’ve heard peddled by so many people at once in a while.
 

Famassu

Member
So basically what Clooney is saying is that "what everyone knew" was that Harvey liked to pursue young women (many of whom he had power over as a studio head). What many people didn't know was how far we has willing to go in said pursuit (which went all the way to completely criminal). So a lot of this was looking the other way at him using his power because it wasn't seen directly as "force", even though it was, at the very least, the threat of it. Or basically, the idea (that I feel like we've really only started to shed in the past 10-15 years) that someone in power asking someone they have power over for things like this is fine because "they still have the ability to say no", ignoring what can happen to them if they say no (or what can happen for them if they say yes).
You're naive if you think people didn't know it was more than just "he liked 'em young". Smaller things spread around within any circles, privately if not publicly. Harassment, assault & rape definitely would be known to a lot of people.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
I always despised Batfleck's interpretation of the character. But I never hated the man himself. Felt sorry for him and all his current personal problems.

But now? Fuck him.

And to those thinking/hoping Tarantino is clean in all this, don't hold your breath.

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Alienfan

Member
The people in this thread saying oh Ben Affleck couldn’t say anything because he might not find work and couldn’t put bread on the table. What in the name of fuck are you talking about. That is the weakest excuse I’ve heard peddled by so many people at once in a while.

It's not even just about putting bread on the table, it's about respecting the victims too. Same reason why so many members of the game industry only talked about Nick Robinson after the victims came out (despite many knowing /heard rumblings of it before hand)
 

Neith

Banned
How's he lying? Also, no one should be expected to come forward, victims or friends of victims if they hold less power than the perpetrator.

The blame should be entirely placed on Weinstein

I agree in some sense. A lot of these people hold no power over him. This guy was HUGE in Hollywood.
 

a916

Member
The people in this thread saying oh Ben Affleck couldn’t say anything because he might not find work and couldn’t put bread on the table. What in the name of fuck are you talking about. That is the weakest excuse I’ve heard peddled by so many people at once in a while.

If that's your opinion, would you feel the same way about replacing "Ben Affleck" with "mostly everyone in Hollywood"?
 

Boke1879

Member
The people in this thread saying oh Ben Affleck couldn’t say anything because he might not find work and couldn’t put bread on the table. What in the name of fuck are you talking about. That is the weakest excuse I’ve heard peddled by so many people at once in a while.

I mean it is a thing. Especially early in ones career.

I mean just look at what Terry Crews said. He's not on the level of Ben, but he is well known. What happened to him only happened last year and he even didn't to speak out for those exact reasons.

It's shit that Ben knew. A lot of people knew. But I can't get mad at Ben for not saying anything after Rose told him. That's not his place especially if she didn't want it public.
 
Ben Affleck is gross for saying what he did, given what he knew. He is clearly trying to portray (without explicitly saying it) a false lack of knowledge, likely to try to make himself look better.

However. It seems like pretty much everyone knew the basics of what Weinstein did. I think it is wrong to assume that Affleck had more evidence purely because he told Weinstein to stop it. Affleck might have had the same evidence everyone else had, the only difference being he made an ineffectual gesture of telling Weinstein to stop. And if so, that isn't a reason to single him out for complicity. If he had personal evidence (as opposed to only being able to name names of who told him, which might not always be an option) that's a different story and warrants singling him out.

Arguably, everyone is complicit because a large part of Weinstein's behavior was an open joke. We need to be asking why it was so hard to bring him down. And the answer might be that people were still willing to work with him, and the only way to possibly bring him down sooner was to make a stand, and most people weren't willing to risk their careers to do so. At the same time, we know how hard it is to risk a career like that, with no guarantee of success (if you won't work with him, someone else probably will), so we should also be looking for ways to make it easier to bring someone like Weinstein down.
 

aliengmr

Member
And that is the biggest problem. Affleck is just being singled out for his statements, acting as if he'd do shit if he ever learned about such a thing happening. He knew and didn't do shit.

He didn't have to directly say "I didn't know" when his statement makes it clear he is implying "I didn't know" because he didn't do anything like he said people should've done.

Bolded is a slight mischaracterization. He is saying they should do more, not they should've, implying it after the fact. He refers to "additional allegations" which could be interpreted as "not knowing shit", but I also think it's possible he didn't know all of the accusations. In fact he stays pretty far away from not knowing.

I am saddened and angry that a man who I worked with used his position of power to intimidate, sexually harass and manipulate many women over decades. The additional allegations of assault that I read this morning made me sick. This is completely unacceptable, and I find myself asking what I can do to make sure this doesn’t happen to others. We need to do better at protecting our sisters, friends, co-workers and daughters. We must support those who come forward, condemn this type of behavior when we see it and help ensure there are more women in positions of power.

I don't believe he deserved to be called out on this. Signing that NDA meant he couldn't say anything either.

If people want to call him on it for being a pedo, so be it. He would've gotten shit no matter what so there was never going to be a right way to respond.
 

Famassu

Member
Aren't those two contradictory? His statement doesn't imply that. And he did do something (to what degree, Rose might know) because in Rose's comments, she said Affleck said, "I told him to stop doing that"
More than just say to the perpetrator "hey, stop that" as if he was a dog who was trying to eat from the table, rather do something with/for the victims.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Oh man, now we got Lindsay Lohan over here saying people need to leave Harvey alone. It's not fair, apparently.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/li...op-1202586659/
Ugh. Fuck off Lohan. Fuck right off you stupid idiot.

It will never cease to baffle me when women bat for such shitstains like these guys. Why, why why.

And NO. How about you stop supporting scumbag like him?
Come on dude, he wasn't doing any such thing.

How's he lying?
He's feigning to be shocked and outraged when in fact he's known all along.
 

a916

Member
More than just say to the perpetrator "hey, stop that" as if he was a dog who was trying to eat from the table, rather do something with/for the victims.

But now we're back to the bigger issue... no one was doing that. It's not even easy for these women to come forward. To single him out or get mad at just him, I don't agree with that.
 

Pixieking

Banned
So basically what Clooney is saying is that "what everyone knew" was that Harvey liked to pursue young women (many of whom he had power over as a studio head). What many people didn't know was how far we has willing to go in said pursuit (which went all the way to completely criminal). So a lot of this was looking the other way at him using his power because it wasn't seen directly as "force", even though it was, at the very least, the threat of it. Or basically, the idea (that I feel like we've really only started to shed in the past 10-15 years) that someone in power asking someone they have power over for things like this is fine because "they still have the ability to say no", ignoring what can happen to them if they say no (or what can happen for them if they say yes).

Yup. And, to add to your last sentence, I think the (kind-of in the past but not quite) culture of being able to ask actors to do topless scenes unless it's prohibited in their contract has added to this unequal power-dynamic, and feeling of helplessness.

Edit:

It's not even just about putting bread on the table, it's about respecting the victims too. Same reason why so many members of the game industry only talked about Nick Robinson after the victims came out (despite many knowing /heard rumblings of it before hand)

This is something to remember, too. If you out someone fully, you not only out what they've done, but who they've done it to/with, and then you're not only ruining your own career, but someone else's career, and possibly life.
 

Famassu

Member
But now we're back to the bigger issue... no one was doing that. It's not even easy for these women to come forward. To single him out or get mad at just him, I don't agree with that.
I don't mean just him. As I said, he's being singled out because he made the statements, but what I'm saying applies to all of Hollywood.
 

sandy1297

Member
The people in this thread saying oh Ben Affleck couldn’t say anything because he might not find work and couldn’t put bread on the table. What in the name of fuck are you talking about. That is the weakest excuse I’ve heard peddled by so many people at once in a while.

Or as people call it, real life

If you have power you can do anything, grab them by the p*** and stuff

It sucks but its the reality we live in
 

aliengmr

Member
More than just say to the perpetrator "hey, stop that", rather do something with/for the victims.

Do what? Rose McGowan settled that case and I believe signed an NDA. I'm not faulting her for doing that, but what is Ben Affleck supposed to do? What would've happen to Rose if he did speak up at the time?
 

Weevilone

Member
Leaving the rape stuff aside, I can't really believe people are surprised about the sexual harassment stuff. I've seen blatant sexual harassment over and over my entire career and I've yet to ever see any of the perpetrators get punished. Even when multiple women would come forward, the company always made it go away.

I knew one woman that came forward, then was included in a layoff shortly thereafter. The company basically told her that unless she retracted the allegations, that she wouldn't get a penny of her significant severance package. The thing was probably worth half of a years pay, so she retracted and went away quietly. The same dude did the shit to a number of other women.

The most significant punishment that I ever saw was a director boss of mine being made to take a sexual harassment class, and the 2 women he did stuff to were made to report to someone else. Fucker still persists there to this day.

Making it Hollywood means that the women have personal and professional reputations that they want to maintain, and they don't want to get blackballed in that insular circle. It'd be 100x worse to come forward in that environment, as compared to regular people that can start over elsewhere. The whole thing sucks.

TLDR edit: This stuff happens in all kinds of workplaces. With Hollywood, the stakes are larger and the community is much smaller. It's no wonder the women are afraid to come out.
 
Yup. And, to add to your last sentence, I think the (kind-of in the past but not quite) culture of being able to ask actors to do topless scenes unless it's prohibited in their contract has added to this unequal power-dynamic, and feeling of helplessness.

I feel like that was/is both about wish fulfillment and the idea of trying to put into actress' heads the idea that all they are just T&A, and that they can be easily replaced.
 
Do what? Rose McGowan settled that case and I believe signed an NDA. I'm not faulting her for doing that, but what is Ben Affleck supposed to do? What would've happen to Rose if he did speak up at the time?


In Affleck's mind, telling McGowan that he had told Weinstein to stop might have been his way of saying that he believed her and would be on her side. Otherwise he could have feigned total ignorance. But it's a weak assurance.

It would be pretty brutal to be told that, and then see that same guy continuing a working relationship with Weinstein, and later trying to portray a false ignorance. Like, are you sure they were ever really there for you? No, you couldn't be. And that lack of confidence in others to truly have your back could affect how you try to go after the criminal early on. I can see how a weak "support" could feel worse than none at all.
 

Famassu

Member
Do what? Rose McGowan settled that case and I believe signed an NDA. I'm not faulting her for doing that, but what is Ben Affleck supposed to do? What would've happen to Rose if he did speak up at the time?
Rose wasn't the first victim Affleck knew about.

And, again, I'm talking more generally about Hollywood.
 
That response from Affleck... doesn't quite strike me as the kind of thing someone would say when informed their boss sexually assaulted someone. I would say it sounds more like Affleck maybe didn't understand the extent of what Weinstein did, but was aware he had a reputation for being handsy--which is still unacceptable. I'll hold my judgement, but it at the very least sounds like Affleck knew Weinstein had some baggage and a reputation, which does not look good for him.

He was dead serious, he looked disgusted.

Emma Stone's reaction is interesting, I wonder if she's had to work with Weinstein in the past.
 
That response from Affleck... doesn't quite strike me as the kind of thing someone would say when informed their boss sexually assaulted someone. I would say it sounds more like Affleck maybe didn't understand the extent of what Weinstein did, but was aware he had a reputation for being handsy--which is still unacceptable. I'll hold my judgement, but it at the very least sounds like Affleck knew Weinstein had some baggage and a reputation, which does not look good for him.

I think Rose is saying she explicitly told him, and he would have been dating Gwenyth Paltrow around or right after the time she would have been in his sights as well (they were dating when Shakespeare in Love, which was a Mirimax movie, came out).
 

dh4niel

Member
This is so fucking disgusting. If Quentin Tarantino knew about this shit and turned a blind eye it's going to destroy me.
 
How's he lying? Also, no one should be expected to come forward, victims or friends of victims if they hold less power than the perpetrator.

The blame should be entirely placed on Weinstein

This. Blaming those that knew but couldn't say anything is victim blaming. It's Harvey that held the keys , everyone else was basically at his mercy. I don't think nearly any of you realized how much power Harvey had. He could snap his fingers and end everything for you without a second thought. Stop with the knee jerk reactions and blame the one person who deserves a special place in hell : Harvey Weinstein.
 

Lakitu

st5fu
I'm so glad all this is coming out now and those like Weinstein are held accountable and sent to prison. You could always tell there was this dark and sordid part of Hollywood that has been bubbling under the surface for a while. Fuck them and fuck Weinstein. This will hopefully encourage more people to come forward because I feel like this is the tip of the iceberg.

Affleck knowing isn't that much of a shock to me. I've never really liked him and I find him extremely boring. I hope this means goodbye to his career.
 
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