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Blade Runner 2049 |OT| Do Androids Dream of Electric Boogaloo? [Unmarked Spoilers]

robotrock

Banned
Anyone get Big O vibes from this? The event that wiped out all the records, certain beats about the way that K searches for the truth about his identity...I expected Gosling to reach for a tomato at some point.

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never heard of "big o" but those tomatoes look good as hell. worth checking out?
 

bosh

Member
It seems like Wallace was supposed to be a parallel to Tyrell but I'm not sure they pulled it off.

I was just thinking it's weird how despite having less screen time (really just two scenes) I completely bought into Tyrell as a character in the original Bladerunner...this eccentric genius isolated from the world at the top of his giant pyramid. Roy meeting Tyrell is one of my favorite scenes in the film. I can imagine the cold lights in the elevator, "cookies and milk kept you awake, eh Sebastian?" the conversation "...Revel in your time!" the music building up to a hideous intensity after Roy does his thing. The weight of that meeting is heavy with meaning and purpose. It's fucking operatic.

And in comparison, Wallace seems tiny. He just talks and postures like a bond villain and never gets a satisfying conclusion.

Wallace is mysterious and Leto's delivery was on point. With Tyrell you see man who has built and empire and sees himself as a god where rules do not apply to him . With Wallace we see something in a position of power but with no real knowledge how. We know his actions after the blackout but not how he did it or obtained the resources. Is he a person or a replicant? Are the electronic enhancements to fix blindness or is he a replicant before the blackout who suffered injures from it?

We always see Tyrell in giant rooms or lavish setting but Wallace is in a basically empty room that is dark. It just adds to the mystery of who and what he is. What both BR and 2049 do well is present a story but don't answer key pieces of information and leave it for the audience to decide.
 
Has Leto played a serial killer in any of his movies? Besides Joker

His performance wasn't the strongest here in terms of how it fit into the story, but he can do subdued menace really well
 

BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
She's crying because it's her memory. That's how she knows it's real. K puts it together when he finds out he's not Deckard's child.

Also: Watch Blade Runner.

Can I just say how brilliant that whole memory scene is? Carla Juri is wonderful, and along with Gosling's first emotional outburst the whole thing completely sold me on thinking K was the child. I'm embarrassed to admit that it was only after the movie ended I realized that probably tons of replicants have that same standard memory that I fully understood why she reacted the way she did after seeing it.

Also: The irony of the replicant supposed saviour working with their oppressor (albeit unwittingly) to mollify them. Brutal.

I want to know what did you guys think of K's "you don't have to say that"?

Guilt. He knows he has bought a product to salve his desperate need for a connection, any connection. Also a need for authenticity.

I think I've mentioned it before, but more than anything that line breaks my heart and makes me care about K each time it's uttered.
 
Wallace is mysterious and Leto's delivery was on point. With Tyrell you see man who has built and empire and sees himself as a god where rules do not apply to him . With Wallace we see something in a position of power but with no real knowledge how. We know his actions after the blackout but not how he did it or obtained the resources. Is he a person or a replicant? Are the electronic enhancements to fix blindness or is he a replicant before the blackout who suffered injures from it?

We always see Tyrell in giant rooms or lavish setting but Wallace is in a basically empty room that is dark. It just adds to the mystery of who and what he is. What both BR and 2049 do well is present a story but don't answer key pieces of information and leave it for the audience to decide.

I'm sure it's been pointed out here before, but when K goes to the market, and that guy says something close to "you must be a rich man" when he is shown the wooden horse, you can really come to terms with how lavish that big empty room made of wood really was.

Tyrell seemed far more ostentatious though, but that may be due to the fact that Wallace is/was blind. In Villeneuve's google interview, he said the purpose behind the rooms being that way from the character's POV was because he doesn't really have any use for visuals, and he wanted a room that played to his hearing.
 

Skeletron

Member
Wallace is mysterious and Leto's delivery was on point. With Tyrell you see man who has built and empire and sees himself as a god where rules do not apply to him . With Wallace we see something in a position of power but with no real knowledge how. We know his actions after the blackout but not how he did it or obtained the resources. Is he a person or a replicant? Are the electronic enhancements to fix blindness or is he a replicant before the blackout who suffered injures from it?

We always see Tyrell in giant rooms or lavish setting but Wallace is in a basically empty room that is dark. It just adds to the mystery of who and what he is. What both BR and 2049 do well is present a story but don't answer key pieces of information and leave it for the audience to decide.
Yes, I supposed that is true. I'm always one for leaving some dark places on the map and not explaining away every corner of the universe.
 

Kvik

Member
I love Wallace's micro-drones and its remote which clips into his neck. Looks like there's one for every occasion in its box. What's a megalomaniacal industrialist without some kind of machine interface attached to his body. Cyberpunk as hell.

I'm sure it's been pointed out here before, but when K goes to the market, and that guy says something close to "you must be a rich man" when he is shown the wooden horse, you can really come to terms with how lavish that big empty room made of wood really was.

Wallace corporate's hall of records also has endless aisles of wood cabinets. Easily one of the most striking shots in the film.
 
Just got back from it.

I’m a little surprised they swapped out Johann Johanssen for Hans Zimmer since the soundtrack sounds exactly like something Johanssen would compose.
 

Truant

Member
Just got back from it.

I'm a little surprised they swapped out Johann Johanssen for Hans Zimmer since the soundtrack sounds exactly like something Johanssen would compose.

Yep, especially the sequence where the hookers are talking to K.

Saw it last night as well. It was masterfully made, but I feel it should have gone further into its themes of transhumanism and so on. It started out real good, but there was no payoff. I also wish we got some closure to Leto's character, as he was the true villain. His henchwoman was just following her programming.

Oh, and Bautista is a pretty damn good actor.
 

Dommo

Member
Just got back from it.

I'm a little surprised they swapped out Johann Johanssen for Hans Zimmer since the soundtrack sounds exactly like something Johanssen would compose.

Gotta get a version of the film with Johanssen's score blaring and compare. It's a BR film after all. I won't be satisfied with anything less than five versions.
 
Wallace is mysterious and Leto's delivery was on point. With Tyrell you see man who has built and empire and sees himself as a god where rules do not apply to him . With Wallace we see something in a position of power but with no real knowledge how. We know his actions after the blackout but not how he did it or obtained the resources. Is he a person or a replicant? Are the electronic enhancements to fix blindness or is he a replicant before the blackout who suffered injures from it?

We always see Tyrell in giant rooms or lavish setting but Wallace is in a basically empty room that is dark. It just adds to the mystery of who and what he is. What both BR and 2049 do well is present a story but don't answer key pieces of information and leave it for the audience to decide.

Another key difference is that Tyrell was more of an optimistic dreamer type of CEO, like a Elon Musk or Steve Jobs; someone who's looking beyond where the technology is now and trying to build a path to get there. Tyrell seemed to genuinely regard the Replicants as his children and sought tirelessly to improve their lot in life (or at least look for the silver lining), as shown by his interactions with Rachel and Roy. Wallace is more of a extreme utilitarian type of CEO, sort of like a Jack Welch, a Steve Ballmer, or a JP Morgan; someone who might have a vision, but mostly looks toward the bottom line and gaining personal glory. He makes it clear that if you're not useful to his goals, you might as well be worth less than nothing. We see that in his reasoning for finding the child; he's not interested in the meaning behind Replicants who are able to reproduce or in improving their quality of life, he just wants to turn Replicants into self-sustaining factories so that they can colonize worlds at a faster rate.

The key illustration of this difference is Rachel. When Tyrell introduces Deckard to Rachel, he's like a kid raring to show off his new toy, and is almost giddy when his experiment shows signs of success. When Wallace introduces Deckard to the duplicate Rachel, he only sees her as a bargaining chip, and when Deckard rejects, Wallace has her disposed of the very second she outlives her usefulness in that regard.

Wouldn't be surprised if Wallace has a touch of imposter syndrome too, especially if it turns out that most of his advancements in Replicant technology (and the resulting success of the off-world colonies) were cribbed directly from Tyrell's notes.
 
Reminds me, Rachel looked amazing. I was scanning her face and looking for any seams of the uncanny valley, but she was more human than human. I dunno if it was a combination of old footage with CG or what, but i was flawless. The lighting and limiting the focus when she spoke helped too.

My thoughts are coming out in drip feed cause its late and I’m still compiling my thoughts.
 
This movie was so close to being a master piece.

- Visually it's amazing
- The setting is amazing and really feels like an actual world.
- The acting was on point. Everyone gave it their all.

...

The reasons this movie sucked.

- The direction
- The editing

The shots were so boring and repetitive. It got to a point I could predict the shots that would happen each scene.

1. Establishing Shot
2. Wide shot with one person walking / someone sitting down
3. Focus on that persons face.

Every scene. The only shot I thought was any good was the one where the woman is ordering missile strikes while getting her nails done.

Ryan Gosling losing his mind. I think he was really good in this film, but I think the direction he got was awful. His character arc should been deconstructing a mans identity. There are hints at him being emotional, but the whole movie, even the point he thinks he's born, he shows no emotion. I get that he's a replicant, but give me something I can relate.

The sound track. I'm hot and cold on this one, so I'll just say the problem I have with it. BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

This may be the movie that broke me on the inception fog horn. It's used all the time for no reason. It get comical. "I just took a shit." BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Jared Leto. I like him in this until his last scene. At this point I realised he was being told to ham the shit out of his dialogue. The more up his own arse he could sound the better. It made me realise that the director might not know what to do with this character. It also leads me to my last final point.

This film is the most style over substance film i think I've ever seen. There are amazing visuals in this film, but they aren't used to tell a story. Why have two giant naked statues of women in the desert? I don't know. The film doesn't now. I don't think the director knows. It just looks cool.

This movie tires to tie god, the fall, slavery and what is a soul all in one, and fails to really hit any of them. This film should have been about K realising that in the end, it doesn't matter if he's a replicant or a human, it matters what he chooses to do with his life. The movie tries this, but it's so ham fisted it misses the mark.

This movie annoys me so much because it should have been great and with some minor tweaks it could have been. Instead is 2.5 hours of dull story telling with interesting visuals.
 
Came of out of the theater last night and could not write anything about it until now.

Saw this movie in IMAX 3D and Villeneuve absolutely nailed the atmosphere and characters. It was a feast for the eyes and ears (thanks Hans Zimmer).

I can understand why people might not like this movie. It is basically the same as the first Blade Runner. You have to absolutely adore cyberpunk, and I can understand the whole 'replicant' part being off-putting.

But damn.. I was smiling from ear to ear through most of the film. The subtle 'easter eggs' for long time fans, the starting soundtrack once 'K' (Joe) flew over Los Angeles and the incredibly well done 'Joi'

Joi was quite an unsettling piece of tech once you realize that, later in the movie, she is basically created to say ''everything you want to hear'' - It all came from the same Wallace Corporation. For me it became quite unnerving that 'K' trusted and loved Joi so much, even after he decided to fight against his creators.

The whole time I also thought that it was too easy for 'K' to be Deckard's son. It was just so obvious from the start. The whole mixed up birth certificates, the woman who implants memories crying over that one memory.

The surprise on 'K' not being the child was sad, but the leader of the opposing replicants did say that everyone of them hoped they were the one. It goes to show that even replicants wants to feel alive and be part of the community, even though K was being spit and cursed at in the LAPD headquarters.

Even though the part for Leto was small. The times where he was on screen he absolutely captured the audience. That guy can act. It is unbelievable. He truly felt like a father for his created replicants, and you could see he desperately wanted his children to dominate the world and mankind.

This is my surprise of the year thus far. It had everything I wanted to see in a sequel and more. I hope a third movie will happen in the nearby future, but I am not counting on it.
 

Lyng

Member
Has Leto played a serial killer in any of his movies? Besides Joker

His performance wasn't the strongest here in terms of how it fit into the story, but he can do subdued menace really well

To be fair he wasnt the directors first choice. Originally Denis wanted David Bowie to play the character. Sadly Bowie died before having the chance.

I think Bowie would have been able to elevate Wallace to the next level.
 
This film is the most style over substance film i think I've ever seen. There are amazing visuals in this film, but they aren't used to tell a story. Why have two giant naked statues of women in the desert? I don't know. The film doesn't now. I don't think the director knows. It just looks cool.

I respect your opinion, I mean it's really not for everyone but...I couldn't disagree more and I personally think you are wrong here. Everything in Blade Runner 2049 has a backstory and is telling us things about the civilizations of now and the past. To me it reeks of history, it's so dense.

Villeneuve is NOT the kind of director that just throws stuff in there because it looks good. (Just because you don't feel there's anything to it it doesn't mean that no thought went into the sets!)

I think the imagery in the whole film works on multiple levels...Literal storytelling and as symbolic means to convey emotions and vibes.
 

Lyng

Member
This movie was so close to being a master piece.

- Visually it's amazing
- The setting is amazing and really feels like an actual world.
- The acting was on point. Everyone gave it their all.

...

The reasons this movie sucked.

- The direction
- The editing

The shots were so boring and repetitive. It got to a point I could predict the shots that would happen each scene.

1. Establishing Shot
2. Wide shot with one person walking / someone sitting down
3. Focus on that persons face.

Every scene. The only shot I thought was any good was the one where the woman is ordering missile strikes while getting her nails done.

Ryan Gosling losing his mind. I think he was really good in this film, but I think the direction he got was awful. His character arc should been deconstructing a mans identity. There are hints at him being emotional, but the whole movie, even the point he thinks he's born, he shows no emotion. I get that he's a replicant, but give me something I can relate.

The sound track. I'm hot and cold on this one, so I'll just say the problem I have with it. BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

This may be the movie that broke me on the inception fog horn. It's used all the time for no reason. It get comical. "I just took a shit." BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Jared Leto. I like him in this until his last scene. At this point I realised he was being told to ham the shit out of his dialogue. The more up his own arse he could sound the better. It made me realise that the director might not know what to do with this character. It also leads me to my last final point.

This film is the most style over substance film i think I've ever seen. There are amazing visuals in this film, but they aren't used to tell a story. Why have two giant naked statues of women in the desert? I don't know. The film doesn't now. I don't think the director knows. It just looks cool.

This movie tires to tie god, the fall, slavery and what is a soul all in one, and fails to really hit any of them. This film should have been about K realising that in the end, it doesn't matter if he's a replicant or a human, it matters what he chooses to do with his life. The movie tries this, but it's so ham fisted it misses the mark.

This movie annoys me so much because it should have been great and with some minor tweaks it could have been. Instead is 2.5 hours of dull story telling with interesting visuals.

Have you seen Arrival or Enemy and how do you feel about those movies?
It really sounds like you just dont understand Villeneuves storytelling.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This film is the most style over substance film i think I've ever seen. There are amazing visuals in this film, but they aren't used to tell a story. Why have two giant naked statues of women in the desert? I don't know. The film doesn't now. I don't think the director knows. It just looks cool.
Maybe just you don't know.

It's not just "a desert". It's Las Vegas in a dystopian future where advertising and spectacle is even more over the top than in real life (and then irradiated with a dirty bomb and abandoned). I'm going to guess they were used to sell a brothel of some type. Maybe it's The Bunny Ranch of BR's world. Or a strip club.
 
I respect your opinion, I mean it's really not for everyone but...I couldn't disagree more and I personally think you are wrong here. Everything in Blade Runner 2049 has a backstory and is telling us things about the civilizations of now and the past. To me it reeks of history, it's so dense.

Villeneuve is NOT the kind of director that just throws stuff in there because it looks good. (Just because you don't feel there's anything to it it doesn't mean that no thought went into the sets!)

I think the imagery in the whole film works on multiple levels...Literal storytelling and as symbolic means to convey emotions and vibes.

Thankyou and as I said I think the world or the setting was fantastic. The problem I have is that there are things in this film, that don't appear to serve any purpose beyond their mere existence. I'm not talking about coffee mugs and such, their existence informs the audience of the person, or to symbalise an addictive personality.

I'm talking things like the Bees. Why are the bees there? Why keep the bees? It's never brought up again or explained. If you are hiding from people, why keep things that give off a big enough heat signature to be worth looking into?

I'm also talking about Wallace. Why is he comparing himself to god all the time? Is it because he creates life? Well I could have told you that without even seeing his character in the film. Why even show him? What does he add to the movie? He's not imposing, he's not in some sort of duel with the hero, he never even meets the main character. So what does he add? The film set itself up at the beginning as attempting to answer, what is a man? Just because he's made, does that mean he doesn't have a soul? But it never answers these questions, it never even attempts to answer them, which makes me wonder why it made it such a point.

His relationship with the AI was one of the better parts of the movie to me. I related with the character when she was about. Her death was meaningful to me, but it honestly didn't feel meaningful to him. Would it be too much to ask for a "Noooooooooo!".

K's character should have been a journey. At the start he is just another cog in the machine, but then finds out that just because he might be different, means the machine he's served is going to hunt him. His journey to find the answers should have broken him. Aside from one scene, he's the same for the rest of the film. The ending should have been him realising it doesn't matter whether or not he was born or made, it's his actions that define him. The scene that should have been that is the part where he meets the hologram of his girlfriend. She calls him Joe and I think the implication is he gets pissed that it wasn't real from the start.

How much more impact would it have been if she said Tim or any other name? That this AI that he was always afraid was just saying things he wanted to hear, had actually made a choice to love him? She was a person, she had a soul and they killed her. That should have been he point of change in his character.


Have you seen Arrival or Enemy and how do you feel about those movies?
It really sounds like you just dont understand Villeneuves storytelling.

I loved Arrival. I think it was great and while the time travel part was a bit all over the place in my opinion, the film was very good. Enemy not so much. Prisoners was the better film to me, but then maybe it was the subject as opposed to the story telling. Enemy was about dealing with his own demons, but it was told in such a way that not a lot really happened, in my opinion. Prisoners had more bones to it due to the subject.
 

N7.Angel

Member
The more I think or read stuff about this movie, the more I understand how special it is, it need to be successful, not even for a sequel or something like this, just because it deserved to be seen and also show that clever movie with real artistic vision and broader theme can be viable in a world were mindless blockbuster are the king...
 

Lyng

Member
I loved Arrival. I think it was great and while the time travel part was a bit all over the place in my opinion, the film was very good. Enemy not so much. Prisoners was the better film to me, but then maybe it was the subject as opposed to the story telling. Enemy was about dealing with his own demons, but it was told in such a way that not a lot really happened, in my opinion. Prisoners had more bones to it due to the subject.

Okay fair enough. Personally I liked Enemy better because it told the story through symbolism. The same is true for Blade Runner 2049.
But it is a divisive movie and I can see where you are coming from, I just feel the exact opposite :)
 

robotrock

Banned
Anyone else not enjoy Prisoners? Acting and Roger Deakins are on point but the dialogue feels really unnatural to me. Soundtrack maybe wasn’t used in the best way either.
 
Maybe just you don't know.

It's not just "a desert". It's Las Vegas in a dystopian future where advertising and spectacle is even more over the top than in real life (and then irradiated with a dirty bomb and abandoned). I'm going to guess they were used to sell a brothel of some type. Maybe it's The Bunny Ranch of BR's world. Or a strip club.

The problem I have with the interpretation of that, is that what at the time does it add to the story?

Why is it there, what does it symbalise? If it's to suggest dystopia, it can but I feel it's a stretch. The whole film is very distyopian in setting, so why add the statues? It could be to show commercialism is much more rampant and over them top in this setting, but there is nothing around it. There is a bee hive.

Why did K walk through them, are they meant to symbalise life, he finds the bees after walking underneath them. Are they meant to symbalise life and the miracle of birth or life existing even in a wasteland? You see I've just given it more credit than it deserves, because there is no logical reason the bees are there. It's never explained. Why would he put bees there? What was his motivation?

You can't just put interesting visuals with no justification, even if it does support the story.
 

Moonkid

Member
Anyone else not enjoy Prisoners? Acting and Roger Deakins are on point but the dialogue feels really unnatural to me. Soundtrack maybe wasn’t used in the best way either.
Wasn't a big fan either. Effective storytelling but I didn't really care for what was going on in the first half.
 
Okay fair enough. Personally I liked Enemy better because it told the story through symbolism. The same is true for Blade Runner 2049.
But it is a divisive movie and I can see where you are coming from, I just feel the exact opposite :)

That's good. I'm glad movies like this are coming out. It means Hollywood is taking a risk again. While I might not like this one, I'm still looking forward to more of his films.
 

N7.Angel

Member
The problem I have with the interpretation of that, is that what at the time does it add to the story?

Why is it there, what does it symbalise? If it's to suggest dystopia, it can but I feel it's a stretch. The whole film is very distyopian in setting, so why add the statues? It could be to show commercialism is much more rampant and over them top in this setting, but there is nothing around it. There is a bee hive.

Why did K walk through them, are they meant to symbalise life, he finds the bees after walking underneath them. Are they meant to symbalise life and the miracle of birth or life existing even in a wasteland? You see I've just given it more credit than it deserves, because there is no logical reason the bees are there. It's never explained. Why would he put bees there? What was his motivation?

You can't just put interesting visuals with no justification, even if it does support the story.

bees> honey> natural food in a desert...
 
bees> honey> natural food in a desert...

What food was there? Bees need to pollinate to make honey, there were no plants. Is it meant to represent a merical?

I've never heard of bees in a desert.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8751000/8751889.stm

There are wild bees as the article states, but most are kept by bee keepers, like in the film, but what was he feeding them?

Yeah fuck people who want to make some honey.

I'ma need you to hold up son because I fucking love me some honey.

Just what was he feeding them though?
 
They're prob fake bees, and also, ”the climate has gone beserk"

That's what I thought until they were on his hand. Holo insects are a thing and they can move around with an emitter, but they weren't flickering on him. They were definatley real.

Sugar alcohols?


It's possible, but I don't think they would be all that healthy. Maybe that's what he was making in the cylinders at the top of the hotel? I assumed that just to be dehumidifiers so he could make water to drink.
 

N7.Angel

Member
What food was there? Bees need to pollinate to make honey, there were no plants. Is it meant to represent a merical?

I've never heard of bees in a desert.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8751000/8751889.stm

There are wild bees as the article states, but most are kept by bee keepers, like in the film, but what was he feeding them?



I'ma need you to hold up son because I fucking love me some honey.

Just what was he feeding them though?

they probably are artificial bees, we know Wallace made money with his company who creates food, maybe he find a way to create those who don't need flowers to produce something or they could used sugar in alcohol, Deckard said he had thousand of bottle where he was...

I thought at the first place that the bees were an easter egg to Deckard Voight-Kampff test for replicant asking about what will they do if they had bees crawling on the arm...

Villeneuve said something about them here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/movies/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049.html
 
they probably are artificial bees, we know Wallace made money with his company who creates food, maybe he find a way to create those who don't need flowers to produce something or they could used sugar in alcohol, Deckard said he had thousand of bottle where he was...

I thought at the first place that the bees were an easter egg to Deckard Voight-Kampff test for replicant asking about what will they do if they had bees crawling on the arm...

Villeneuve said something about them here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/movies/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049.html

That's my assumption.
 
they probably are artificial bees, we know Wallace made money with his company who creates food, maybe he find a way to create those who don't need flowers to produce something or they could used sugar in alcohol, Deckard said he had thousand of bottle where he was...

I thought at the first place that the bees were an easter egg to Deckard Voight-Kampff test for replicant asking about what will they do if they had bees crawling on the arm...

Villeneuve said something about them here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/movies/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049.html

That's my assumption.


Now that makes much more sense. I know the film does talk about how he creates advanced synthetic farming tech, but I thought it was more being able to harvest those bugs and insects so to make food from the first scene.

If the film had hinted at the possibility of artificial bees earlier it would have been an easier jump for me.
 

robotrock

Banned
Now that makes much more sense. I know the film does talk about how he creates advanced synthetic farming tech, but I thought it was more being able to harvest those bugs and insects so to make food from the first scene.

If the film had hinted at the possibility of artificial bees earlier it would have been an easier jump for me.
I mean, it’s blade runner dude. That should be enough of a hint.
 
I mean, it's blade runner dude. That should be enough of a hint.

The most we got in the previous films was snakes and owls. It's never hinted at that it could be something that small.

If he had put a bunch of snakes or cows there it would have much made as much sense as putting the bees there.

I'm fine with directors putting weird things there but, it has to make some sense. If we go with the assumption, bearing in mind, at no point in this film is it discussed or shown that animals or insects can be replicants, he's still gone to lengths to hide himself from Wallace. Why would he be so careless? You can argue that over time he just sorta gave up, but then what's with all the traps?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75OKnM_BKU

The bees aren't artificial. There are feeders along with the beehives.

Is that what those are? My ignorance of bee keeping has just made me for a fool. :(

Just watched the NYT video, posted by N7.Angel. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/movies/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049.html

I have a few issues with the director here. He describes this as trying to be scene where you aren't sure what's real. It's meant to be a dream line state, but it's never hinted at before hand this was a possibility. That maybe we shouldn't trust what we are seeing. Secondly he talks about he significance of the bee, but the character we're meant to be experiencing all this with, gives no significance to this either. The music gives significance via the fog horn, but I felt nothing from this scene, because the character I was meant to connect with acted as if he was feeling nothing in the scene.
 
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