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Phil Spencer on Cross Play with Sony- "[Sony] should talk about what their view is"
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You can buy Minecraft on an iPad or Android device and crossplay too. What's your point?
Sure mate
tiredheadcrab
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Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
lol.. yall out of order today. Even after the first post by royal fool
Call of Duty, and the Rise of Nations remake. I'd like to believe they've patched them but haven't heard anything.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
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Actually, you can. For example, the Steam release of KI just came out, and that has it with the regular Windows 10/XB1 version. Minecraft on everything from phones to tablets to Switch plays fine with Xbox. It's not every game, but pretending it's not out there is way out of date.
jonscrambler
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that's just not true, it depends on the game, of course some games the developers can decide not to have crossplay, but MS or Steam storefront are not blocking it
Rise of Nations has it from what I know and Call of Duty isn't a MIcrosoft game.
Zvonimir Boban
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His post history should help answer your question.
This is my favorite joke account. It sounds so close to what could be a real post. They do really good work.
TharpDaddy
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Rise of Nations has cross-play, Call of Duty is published by Activision and isn't a Microsoft game? Is this some sort of intense method acting for your username you're trying to do?
Yet another "But Microsoft last gen..."
No it wasn't right then either. Microsoft should have allowed it then too. Mind you, PSN was hardly the most secure of networks:
So in short- MS should have done it then just like Sony should now.
We are seeing unprecedented levels of crossplay and with the online infrastructure far more advanced than last gen. Crossplay is more important now more than ever.
This bullshit artificial barrier needs to be lifted and also, being need to stop with a bullshit fucking excuses because they can't accept that their favourite corporation is not playing ball.
Crossplay is important, regardless of how much some people want to downplay it. Think as a consumer (something which shouldn't have to be said)
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
So you think the only reason Sony are doing this is because they're 'horrible'? It's so obvious, it hurts. Yes, that's what Spencer is counting on and it's kind of working isn't it. Anyone who's a realist understands fully why they're doing it and they're doing it for exactly the same reason MS did it last gen.
Sony want you to buy a PS4 to play with your friends. It's not about the merits of it, it's about recognising they're a frigin' business.
poodaddy
Member
Yeah we're pretty much there.
If you are going to just choose to make shit up, why not just be upfront about it? Sony has said nothing about Minecraft and account logins, and you have no idea how crossplay with Xbox works on PC/other platforms.
If you took just 1/10th of the energy you spent defending a corporation and instead tried to see it from the perspective of the consumers that want this, maybe you would understand it a little better.
2blackcats
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Ha, I've read that thread before. I'd love to have cross platform play with minecraft. I have a weekly game with my nephew and niece who live halfway around the world.
Minecraft is in a pretty unique situation though, not least because Microsoft owns the ip. I don't feel getting crossplay with it would set a precedent for other games. Likewise if other games managed to get cross platform play I don't think that means it would be a home run for minecraft.
With games like Fortnite or whatever I still don't see how crossplay makes this huge difference. Unless of course we go back to in game party chat and game invites. I guess you could see it as a first step on the road to true cross platform gaming?
Companies change policies all the time in favor of the consumers, even if they dont « profit » from it necessarily. This is a case where its possible. Most of us just want this for consumers, for us, not for Sony (or MS last gen).
Not sure what point you're making. Is Xbox live the only platform with that problem?
I should think not. My brothers turned on all mute in Overwatch on PS4 with how damn nasty players were getting on the voice channel.
Lol you still don't get it do you? We know exactly why Sony is reluctant to do it. It's still not a good excuse; it's a shitty reason. The fact that you're so reluctant to recognise this, particularly as a CONSUMER, is the problem.
You know what, next time some corporation makes a shitty move for self preservation/interest let's just do what you lot are here and make excuses for the sake of the shareholders.
Yui's Empire
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First post is already Sony fanboying. These threads always deliver.
Ok, lets break down what I said in those three statements.
- The new Minecraft on any platform it's on, requires an xbox live account.
- Phil signed up exclusive xbox content, after saying it was bad for the industry
- That there are windows store titles that don't have cross play with steam edition.
So none of those are true? I don't need an account for minecraft, Xbox has no console exclusive DLC for assassins creed, and the windows store version of Halo Wars is cross-play with steam.
Wait a second, I know what's going on here - what are the Bernstein bears called in your universe?
unapersson
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Build it and they will come. There's no need for everyone to get on board straight away. Prove how awesome it is and then see them all play nicely next gen, hopefully with a better feature set.
Maybe in the Balmer era but with Nadella they seem very open to any platform and they couldn't just say Minecraft and nothing else. I get what your saying, we will never know though. Times change.
The main point is, Sony are shitbags for not doing it and Microsoft would also be shitbags for not doing it.
Fortunately for everyone, looks like all non-Sony parties are getting in on it. So maybe we'll see it sooner rather than later. The more games the better.
Problem is, Sony is the biggest player and really in the driving seat about whether crossplay finally becomes a standard.
The industry needs Sony to play ball to really reap the benefits of this, especially as far as third party AAA titles are concerned on consoles.
But to an extent you're right.
potatohead
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Work on building your own games and services first and make your own products attractive.
Don't depend on your direct competitor to do it for you. This constant Phil good guy whining is tiresome to the nth degree.
Like for fucks sake you have xbox and windows and haven't got that to take off together for 17 years take care of your own business first and make good product.
People will come if the service is good but for example windows store is already shit and aoe remastered is already restricted to Windows store actively pissing off the pc community where is your everyone should play our games philosophy there Phil?
Don't depend on your direct competitor to do it for you. This constant Phil good guy whining is tiresome to the nth degree.
Like for fucks sake you have xbox and windows and haven't got that to take off together for 17 years take care of your own business first and make good product.
People will come if the service is good but for example windows store is already shit and aoe remastered is already restricted to Windows store actively pissing off the pc community where is your everyone should play our games philosophy there Phil?
l3lacklvlagic
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I really don't see why it matters so much tbh. Do games on ps4 feel empty that they need more players. I agree it would be cool to have but I don't see why it's so important.
Holy crap this thread is really becoming a greatest hits of all of this boards greatest sony console warriors.
2blackcats
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Without party chat and friend invites I tend to agree. Would be neat but hardly essential.
Night Hunter
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But didn't Sony already talk about their views? I mean it was obviously made up bullshit and they should have just said "Lol no we're not going to give you our player base" but still.
Aside from that, MS seems to take this matter very seriously all of a sudden, with the frequency they talk about crossplay in the last few months. I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that this is one of the very few talking points where Sony is actually legitimately vulnerable.
Aside from that, MS seems to take this matter very seriously all of a sudden, with the frequency they talk about crossplay in the last few months. I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that this is one of the very few talking points where Sony is actually legitimately vulnerable.
Baraka Obama
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Wow ok
Even if thats the reasoning dont you think that as a consumer your getting screwed?
jonscrambler
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been answered already, yes Minecraft requires microsoft login but you claim that's the reason for no PS4 crossplay then explain Rocket League and other, besides Sony never said that's the reason
of course there are Windows store games that don't have crossplay with Steam, some games can still decide to not have crossplay even though MS/Steam allow it
You're being intentionally obtuse so I'm done engaging with you. Sony never said the account login was the issue, and games like rocket league are being blocked by Sony which do not require log ins. The most recent games being released by Microsoft on both Steam + windows store and Xbox have cross play.
If you want to somehow contort yourself in a way where you get to call out Microsoft on it's hypocrisy regarding timed exclusive content yet defend Sony's decisions regarding cross play then have fun having that conversation with somebody else.
How about you do your job and act like a rational and critic customer instead of being an irrational fanboy.
It would have a MASSIVE impact for me. I have all game platforms but my mates are all spread on different ones.
If we could all one day game together, that would be one of the BIGGEST game changers for us.
SMOK3Y
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I agree with it myself i dont want to play with PS4 players let alone Xbox players.. its what 1 game that not doing crossplay? Who cares
MotionBlue
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It is also a bizzare example of Spencer worship, and amnesia. Crossplay needs to be embraced by consoles, it does nothing but help consumers. At the same time, the status quo was created by Microsoft, Sony is only choosing to perpetuate it.
Goldenroad
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I want this feature, especially as a person who owns an XB1 and PS4, but I think Minecraft is a very specific, weird scenario. It is a Microsoft first party game on PS4. Can you think of any Sony first party games on XBOX? There is no kind of reciprocal situation.
Obviously Microsoft wants this, and I don't think having Minecraft cross play would be bad for Sony either inherently. What would happen though is people would be like "we want Call of Duty, Battlefield, The Division, etc" to all be crossplay and the third parties are going to be like "Sony and MS are making us look like the bad guys here".
Activision wants you to buy Destiny 2 twice if you want to play with people on PS4 and XB1. Ubisoft wants you to buy Ghost Recon twice if you want to play with friends on PS4 and XB1. Cross play, in this situation hurts the third parties...theoretically, and because they all seem to be, at least partially, in bed with Sony this generation and I think this is all having to do with Sony protecting that relationship they have with third parties...and I can't really blame them for that.
Business decisions are not these binary black and white "it's because of kids" or "it's because of XBL" decisions. It can be a multitude of factors at once and maybe Sony should explain their stance, but it's too easy to paint Sony as the bad guys here, when it's really probably some other stakeholder that is pulling these strings.
Obviously Microsoft wants this, and I don't think having Minecraft cross play would be bad for Sony either inherently. What would happen though is people would be like "we want Call of Duty, Battlefield, The Division, etc" to all be crossplay and the third parties are going to be like "Sony and MS are making us look like the bad guys here".
Activision wants you to buy Destiny 2 twice if you want to play with people on PS4 and XB1. Ubisoft wants you to buy Ghost Recon twice if you want to play with friends on PS4 and XB1. Cross play, in this situation hurts the third parties...theoretically, and because they all seem to be, at least partially, in bed with Sony this generation and I think this is all having to do with Sony protecting that relationship they have with third parties...and I can't really blame them for that.
Business decisions are not these binary black and white "it's because of kids" or "it's because of XBL" decisions. It can be a multitude of factors at once and maybe Sony should explain their stance, but it's too easy to paint Sony as the bad guys here, when it's really probably some other stakeholder that is pulling these strings.
Jeff Freecss
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Dude, you're acting like gossip news connecting dots that are just not there. Even if they are, the line drawn after the dots connected is definitely not what you pictured in your mind.
1. It doesn't change the fact the games don't require Xbox live were also blocked by Sony.
2. No he signed on exclusive games, not exclusive portion of a game. If you are so good at digging quotes, find it and read it again.
3. Microsoft is making progress on That fornt. See, AOE and the cross play update of halo wars.
4.There are indeed no Xbox exclusive Assassin's Creed content. And 343 is planning halo wars cross play.
2blackcats
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You think they're going to integrate the friend system too? Would be amazing but hardly a reasonable expectation.
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