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An important statement from Naughty Dog
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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Lys Skygge
Member
Lol wow. Its a conspiracy!!!!
Conclusion jumping is the favorite past time of many.
Next step are conspiracy theories.
This is only the time if you don't actually expect the accusation to get anywhere, but want to publicly air your grievances.
The right time if you expect this to be taken to the fullest extent is surely when you have compiled enough testimonies and/or evidence if there is any.
If I'm honest, that's a little bit why I'm worried this won't actually go anywhere. Given current events, this strikes me as a bit of a Hail Mary, which will be a hell of a missed opportunity if it does fizzle out into nothing and there were genuine reasons to be aggrieved.
GHG
Gold Member
This is amazing. You have not grasped how any of this happened even though his tweets literally spell it out for you step by step.
I've said enough in the two topics that exist on this subject. With that I'll let those of you who want to go crazy with conspiracies do so.
I'm out, have fun.
Nostremitus
Member
That's not unheard of... Look at what's happening in the movie industry right now. I wouldn't put it past anyone in any industry.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Widespread issues of sexual harassment likely exist. This isn't surprising.
Sad Affleck
Member
Good to hear. It was really brave of David to put himself out there like that.
We do. And if sexual harrassment took place, it's more likely that Ballard didn't report it than ND conspiring to cover it up.
Yes it's HR's job to cover the company's ass. It's also their job to keep meticulous records of allegations of misconduct in case something like this comes up later on.
Little Monser
Banned
honestly, reading this statement again and this is so stupid
the way Naughty Dog just dismissed these claims and threw him into a pack of wolves on twitter... disgusting behaviour from ND not taking this seriously
the way Naughty Dog just dismissed these claims and threw him into a pack of wolves on twitter... disgusting behaviour from ND not taking this seriously
excelsiorlef
Member
The idea that HR didnt document the complaint is hardly some grassy knoll shit here, especially if it was by phone.
Brotherhood93
Member
Not clear whether he means within Naughty Dog, Sony or just in general. Or a combination of the three.
Considering how large the industry is I would not be at all surprised if there are many cases of sexual harassment within it, sadly.
That's not how HR works, also in a wild world evidence is destroyed, how do you destroy the victims evidence that they have in document form?
Severance pay can be tied to non competes ,if you don't want to sign that and get a job in the same industry/field quickly you take your chances and turn it down.
All ND had to do to check is search the employees name in the database and cross-check with HR at the time. It's not a time consuming process.
All the statement says is they don't show any former allegations he alleges, not that he is lying. The former employee still has every right to pursue the claim and no one was discredited.
Lys Skygge
Member
How are they not taking it seriously?Little Monser;252094940 said:
Some of y'all are living in a fantasy world.
Yeah none of this is surprising.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
But this case in the movie industry that empowered this action, was not due to some conspiracy that shit was destroyed to remove fault from the aggressor.
I don't know why a conspiracy angle is being discussed here when this is real life where stuff like this is very common and sometimes are well documented in other ways than just papers and internal documents. Videos, recordings, text messages, witness accounts, social media private conversation etc, like all of this is there to implicate any wrong doings that Sony would not have if it was not reported through official channels.
Abusers don't target one person and move on. If this person has told the truth, others will rally and we'll get the truth - just as we did with Cosby and Weinstein.
Unable to find new unemployment would be the most obvious reason I think. Not saying he's lying but he hopefully he shows some proof for his claims.
AmayaPapaya
Banned
We dont know anything about him, but people dont generally lie about being sexually harrased. The rates are really low. IIRC, men are especially quiet when reporting these types of things, as well.
All I'm saying is the odds are not in Sony's favor at all with this one. If it comes out that the guy has problems, then something can be considered, but there is no reason to assume that.
I have no idea, but if Sony was involved, something else must have been going on (maybe it's because it was a lead?)
But Sony's involvement is very odd.
Naughty Dog is a 350+ person company. They have their own communications team, their own HR team, their own recruiters, their own two Presidents, their own legal counsel, etc.
How did an issue between Naughty Dog and an employee escalate to a parent company?
Just to add contrast again, this would be the equivalent of Verizon getting involved in an AOL dispute, or AOL getting involved in a HuffPost dispute, or Tencent getting involved in a Riot Games dispute.
Sexual harassment is awful, but it's not massive enough to warrant escalation outside of a subsidiary.
Sad Affleck
Member
It happens a lot. It's naive to think it doesn't.
Maybe I should rephrase it. If there aren't any records I want it to be because it didn't happen. If it did happen, I want there to be records so that the truth can come to light.
I'd hate for some to lose their job for reporting harassment, and their not be any record.
Crimson_Gold
Member
An industry with terrible working conditions is bound to have these issues. What needs to happen is for the claims to be made and then see change. Not all cases will be proven, but hopefully all valid allegations are.
Please have your evidence
ElephantShell
Banned
Boycott the game industry.
If people start coming out about this, a lot of companies are gonna start looking really bad.
Like, all of them.
Yeah have to to smoke them all out.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Personally, this statement come across as cold & angry, like being accused of something nobody knew of or being caught. It's either one of these and I can't decide.
Shoutout to the people who are digging around now, hope we'll see more light shed on this and similiar problems in this very industry.
Shoutout to the people who are digging around now, hope we'll see more light shed on this and similiar problems in this very industry.
s_mirage
Member
By immediately publishing a refutation, on a Sunday, less than 24 hours after the allegation was made, perhaps? That's not enough time to contact everyone involved and perform any kind of reasonably thorough investigation, especially when the allegations involve two companies.
I don't really think it's a symptom of the industry. It's a symptom of humanity (or a lack thereof). Sexual harrasment occurs in literally every type of industry or workplace.
If you boycott every industry that has had sexual harassment cases, then you will be left with nothing.
Is this just a daily thing that happens at game companies now.
Harassment is everywhere.
It happens in every industry.
Yep. Given the current climate, we will almost certainly see similar accusations levelled at employees of the likes of Activision, EA, Microsoft, Nintendo etc over the coming weeks. They will all have to go through the same process, so expect to see that statement a lot in the near future.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Indeed. Just saying that its presence here isn't surprising
For the conspiracy theorist:
I don't think people get how HR software works. You can't just delete records like that. Many of the records are backed up. There's records kept of any changes made to employee records. Etc. Unless Sony had paper files, you're in conspiracy land
Dangansona
Member
I don't even see it as a refutation and then case closed. I see it as a "well shit there are no records of this, but we are looking into it because we don't support sexual harassment as a company" which is what I would expect them to say.
As others have pointed out, the fact that there are no records is not a good sign.
ElephantShell
Banned
I know, it's just frustrating that my favourite hobby is so gross behind the scenes.
Little me didn't understand this when I got into gaming as a child.
Only in 2017 does trying to quickly respond to a serious allegation earn a description of not taking it seriously.
This thread. Wow.
Yeah i get that. Its just shocking when its someone as big as Naughty Dog.
GHG
Gold Member
Ok I know I've previously said I'm out but this is just too ridiculous. How many HR departments have you worked in?
Do you have any idea how difficult it would be to purge evidence of something like this ever happening if it was documented somewhere? Nevermind the fact that they would also be purging evidence in the hope that the victim hasn't kept copies of emails etc for himself?
Why would anybody in HR put their whole life at risk over something like this?
This is lunacy.
It's the least shocking thing on the planet. The biggest companies are the most corrupt.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
It happens in every industry. All the time.
s_mirage
Member
A good response, if they wanted to respond quickly, would be to issue a statement saying that they take the allegations seriously and will be thoroughly investigating. Their response was to effectively throw Dave Ballard under a bus.
Has this happened at EA or Activision before
...what makes you say this?