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[MugiwaraCole]

I think that's a misconception. If I was told Sweden in the MCU had achieved a technological utopia it would elicit the same questions.

Sweden doesn't have the history of being exploited and having its resources stripped from it.

Wakanda being completely cut off from the world is supposed to reside in a tricky grey area. T'Challa typically tries to get Wakanda to connect with the world at large when he comes into the throne, but it's a decision he struggles mightily with, even after it's made. Hell, in the MCU, T'Chaka talks about Wakanda deciding they've been cut off for too long in the aftermath of Ultron nearly destroying the planet with their vibranium, and Wakanda not being around to help. The Wakandans killed in Lagos at the beginning of the film were on an outreach mission meant to reestablish Wakanda's footprint in the world.

Superheroes, action scenes, visual effects. Typical Marvel shit.

People are getting ridiculous with this criticism.

 

[neojubei]

Where’s all the historical geopolitical kerfuffling about K’un L’un and Kamar-Taj?

because.....

 

[charsace]

I would love to see what Scott Buck could do with Black Panther.

 

[Einchy]

I would love to see what Scott Buck could do with Black Panther.

My name is T'Challa and I'm from Wakanda, a beautiful country of mind blowing technology that we will never see because I'm now in New York.

 

[Alienous]

because.....

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

 

[Neece]

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

Vibranium is magic. It's the out of world maguffin that allows Wakanda to exist.

 

[metalslimer]

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

Vibranium is a fictional thing that gave then their unimaginable wealth. It's no different than a magic hammer

 

[Einchy]

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

Nothing in the MCU is a "plausible extension of reality", all the technology is extremely advanced.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

Wakanda's wealth was acquired by way of a meteor landing within its borders and being extremely valuable. And there IS a history of them using their advances in technology to cloak the country from those outside.

These convos are so telling.

 

[IndoAssassin]

Captain America's shield that can withstand Iron Man's blasts from point blank range, and Thor's Hammer with its wonky ass physics is believable.

Winter Soldier's arm is believable.

Vision who is made of the stuff, can phase shift and can change density at will is believable.

But an African nation, the only place on Earth that owns a huge amount of the stuff, is not believable.

What am I supposed to think here?

 

[The Kree]

Asgardians are also presented as a "plausible extension of reality," if you wanna take that route. They're aliens, not actual gods - but I don't see anybody around here analyzing that stuff too deeply.

 

[Alienous]

Vibranium is magic. It's the out of world maguffin that allows Wakanda to exist.

Vibranium is a fictional thing that gave then their unimaginable wealth. It's no different than a magic hammer

I agree, but how Wakanda arises from that isn't as intuitive as "If you could learn how to do magic then sure, people would form groups and do magic". It's the result of an entire history of decisions beginning with an extremely valuable mineral.

 

[The Kree]

I agree, but how Wakanda arises from that isn't as intuitive as "If you could learn how to do magic then sure, people would form groups and do magic".

What do you think Europeans looked like to Native Americans when they showed up on ships capable of transatlantic travel with guns? Like, it doesn't even take that much imagination to start answering these questions for yourself. This shit already happened in real life. It still happens in underdeveloped countries.

 

[Crossing Eden]

They're based on magic, and Wakanda isn't. Wakanda is supposed to be a plausible extension of reality, and so is analysed more critically.

Wakanda isn't a plausible extension of reality, their civilization runs on the same kinda fictional shit that allows Ironman to build his suit with insanely limited resources. I think it's pretty easy to guess the reason why it's analyzed "more critically."

 

[Neece]

I agree, but how Wakanda arises from that isn't as intuitive as "If you could learn how to do magic then sure, people would form groups and do magic".

A magical resource with magic properties exists for only one group of people. And they use it to reach magical levels of advancement, including the ability to hide themselves.

I don't see what's so hard or unintuitive about it.

 

[Einchy]

Cause when I think of plausible extensions of reality. I think of white dudes who can shrink to the size of ants and buildings at will.

Seriously, Wakanda's technology is way more advanced of everyone else but are they all that much more advanced than shit like Iron Man and Ant-Man? Iron Man can send suits of armor to fight the Hulk from outer space, created AI, syndicate beings and pretty much everything he does isn't remotely plausible extensions of our reality.

Makes even less since when we see what kind of shit cosmic Marvel is doing.

 

[broncobuster]

Asgardians are also presented as a "plausible extension of reality," if you wanna take that route. They're aliens, not actual gods - but I don't see anybody around here analyzing that stuff too deeply.

In fairness, there's been talk in and out of the movie about how Mjolnir works. But that's the only part of it. Try explaining how the Bifrost Bridge works.

My name is T'Challa and I'm from Wakanda, a beautiful country of mind blowing technology that we will never see because I'm now in New York.

"My name is T'Challa and I'm the Black Panther"

 

[0ptimusPayne]

First trailer was better Imo. I think the music choice was straight trash in this one. Still hype af.

 

[Crossing Eden]

4 million views in less than a day but this isn't in youtube's trending section?

 

[Jeffolation]

Another awesome trailer, I hope we get another Red Skull-tier villain with Killmonger.

 

[Servbot24]

Looking forward to this one.

 

[neojubei]

The music was poetic and awesome. Loved this trailer. I need an HD version of it. If 10 years ago someone told me thor and black panther trailers looked better than a trailer staring the justice league i'd probably not believe them and yet here we are.

 

[The Kree]

In fairness, there's been talk in and out of the movie about how Mjolnir works. But that's the only part of it. Try explaining how the Bifrost Bridge works.

Every argument about Mjolnir ends with "You're not worthy" for a good reason.

The Bifrost is a rainbow. It's a magical rainbow. They can dress it up with gears and pulleys and put a black elevator operator in it like they used to do in the 60's on Madison Avenue, but it's a fucking magical rainbow and we all know it and we don't care.

 

[Hastati]

finally saw this, looks cool as fuck. haven't been super into the last group of marvel movies outside of Logan, but this will be a ton of fun.

 

[Rosstimus]

starting to get bored of the MCU, but that was a hype trailer, I'm not going to lie.

 

[wandering]

I just noticed they were in Korea. What is it with Marvel movies and Korea lately?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

You can ask just as many questions about Tony's spontaneously amazing intellect that didn't decide to shrink down the arc reactor until the plot needed him to and why he hasn't solved earth's renewable energy problem yet despite clearly being capable.

You could ask what Dr. Erskine was smoking when he made that steroid that somehow lets Steve metabolize alcohol so fast that he can't get drunk.

The questions can go on and on and on about how Asgardians achieved interdimensional travel and the practicality of flying power armor that doesn't immediately fall apart when you take a single step in it and what kind of material Hulk is wearing that fits any size person without ripping and why all clothes sold in stores aren't made of the same stuff because holy shit that would be really convenient for everybody.

But those questions never come. So many questions never come.

I asked most of these questions. Heck, I asked why the heck did parents name their kids "Blackagar" and "Maximus" and where the heck did they live to necessitate such measure. Most of them were pretty much answered with "because comic book" and I accepted it.

Doesn't Hulk have this totally ridiculous explanation about how the radiation emitted from his body changes the size and color of his trousers? The fact that there's actually an explanation for that suggests that the question is actually asked a lot.

 

[Veelk]

I don't think it's out of the question to ask "how did this happen" to any sort of significant setting of a fictional universe. It's not about doubting the authenticity of the fiction, it's about understanding the worldbuilding. "How did this happen?", not "This couldn't have happened!"

To that end, comparisons to iron man and captain america don't entirely work. Their powers aren't societal in origin. Tony made the iron man suit as a matter of personal self defense. Captain America got his serum from an ongoing war effort against the nazi's. These things don't require much worldbuilding because they're so individual focused. Tony just needed himself and jensin to make iron man, and his crisis was motivated by a generic terrorist group. Captain America needed that scientist dude, and maybe some vagueries about government funding, but it's basically ww2 with more sci-fi. Contrast to that, Wakanda is a society that has existed for centuries, so it's natural to want to dig into that history.

Comparisons to Thor make more sense because his source of power is likewise societal in nature, and in the movies Thor does explain his societies history. They fought ice giants and they use both magic and science and they are a warriors race and so on. Why doesn't the world know about them? Well, they technically do, they just misremember them as mythology because they haven't come around in so long. So that's the explanation for what asgard is.

But those things didn't get explained in the trailer, they were in the movie. So that's where we're probably gonna get our Wakanda explanation.

 

[broncobuster]

Every argument about Mjolnir ends with "You're not worthy" for a good reason.

The Bifrost is a rainbow. It's a magical rainbow. They can dress it up with gears and pulleys and put a black elevator operator in it like they used to do in the 60's on Madison Avenue, but it's a fucking magical rainbow and we all know it and we don't care.

That's what I'm saying.

 

[Neece]

If I have any questions about "realism" or whatever, it's that the Wakandans are speaking English to each other instead of their native language. I get them speaking English to foreigners but amongst themselves?

I know the actual reason for this is because this is for general audiences and those kind of films don't generally have lots of subtitles, but I'm curious if they even attempt to throw an in-universe explanation for why T'Challa, for example, would be having a heart felt conversation with his mother and love interest in English as the trailer shows. He spoke his native tongue when talking to his father at the UN conference in Civil War.

Feels like they'll just have the native civilians speak their language while the nobility will speak English most of the time.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Guns, germs, and steel vibranium

Y'all are doing too much

 

[Alienous]

I don't think it's out of the question to ask "how did this happen" to any sort of significant setting of a fictional universe. It's not about doubting the authenticity of the fiction, it's about understanding the worldbuilding. "How did this happen?", not "This couldn't have happened!"

To that end, comparisons to iron man and captain america don't entirely work. Their powers aren't societal in origin. Tony made the iron man suit as a matter of personal self defense. Captain America got his serum from an ongoing war effort against the nazi's. These things don't require much worldbuilding because they're so individual focused. Tony just needed himself and jensin to make iron man, and his crisis was motivated by a generic terrorist group. Captain America needed that scientist dude, and maybe some vagueries about government funding, but it's basically ww2 with more sci-fi. Contrast to that, Wakanda is a society that has existed for centuries, so it's natural to want to dig into that history.

Comparisons to Thor make more sense because his source of power is likewise societal in nature, and in the movies Thor does explain his societies history. They fought ice giants and they use both magic and science and they are a warriors race and so on. Why doesn't the world know about them? Well, they technically do, they just misremember them as mythology because they haven't come around in so long. So that's the explanation for what asgard is.

But those things didn't get explained in the trailer, they were in the movie. So that's where we're probably gonna get our Wakanda explanation.

I was typing up a post to convey this. Thanks.

Wakanda isn't "What if there was a hidden, technologically advanced utopian country", as if one appeared out of nowhere. It's "What if a technologically advanced utopia developed over time", which naturally presents questions. What would be the catalyst for such a thing? The possession of a super-mineral, but that isn't obvious when just presented with Wakanda.

Further to that I think those questions would exist even if Wakanda was a country in Europe. It's simply "What set of circumstances resulted in Wakanda existing in that world, when it doesn't in ours?". Wakanda isn't the McGuffin itself, but has to be the product of an earlier one (Vibrainium) if you're to buy into it being a country with a history.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

It's almost like the movie will have a story where these questions will be answered

also, there are search engines on the internet where you can research topics such as comic book history

asking incredulous disingenuous questions does not make you look logical or inquisitive

 

[neptunes]

Is that city scene in Seoul or something?

 

[reKon]

Jesus, theyve just made up everything, its far too OTT for me, i mean a part of he world is like an alien planet, technology that makes no sense (beyond suspension of disbelief). Also that guy with all those disgusting bumps over his body, making my hair stand up, if i keep looking at him im going to have a physical reaction, seriously i breakout in a rash when i wince like this.

It looks like a train-wreck to me, just awful.

so this actually was a serious post??

fucking smh

 

[neojubei]

Is that city scene in Seoul or something?

I think someone said it was Busan but in the movie they might call it Seoul.

just saw this on twitter

 

[Alienous]

I think someone said it was Busan but in the movie they might call it Seoul.

just saw this on twitter

That's a much better poster.

 

[Veelk]

It's almost like the movie will have a story where these questions will be answered

also, there are search engines on the internet where you can research topics such as comic book history

asking incredulous disingenuous questions does not make you look logical or inquisitive

Or they can ask the community fanbase on a discussion forum.

Look, I get it. I really do understand why people are defensive about this movie, especially in this horrible time. I don't begrudge anyone for being overly cautious. Because you're definitely gonna get disingenuous assholes trying to tear down an important cultural icon in the guise of just 'discussing the movie'.

But in the case of alienous, I think he's just asking normal narrative and world building questions that would be asked of other atypical fictional settings. Wakanda is an unusual place. Asking about its origins is natural.

 

[reKon]

I swear to God I will buy a high end Black Panther costume for next halloween? This is gonna cost me $200+ isn't it?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

It's almost like the movie will have a story where these questions will be answered

also, there are search engines on the internet where you can research topics such as comic book history

asking incredulous disingenuous questions does not make you look logical or inquisitive

Not all discussions are fights to be won or attempts to seem smart. Sometimes you just want to make conversations.

 

[Toa TAK]

I think someone said it was Busan but in the movie they might call it Seoul.

just saw this on twitter

This is the first good poster for this thing.

 

[neojubei]

I swear to God I will buy a high end Black Panther costume for next halloween? This is gonna cost me $200+ isn't it?

if i was tall fit and good looking i would be black panther for halloween

 

[SenjutsuSage]

All Panther Lives matter!

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Or they can ask the community fanbase on a discussion forum.

Look, I get it. I really do understand why people are defensive about this movie, especially in this horrible time. I don't begrudge anyone for being overly cautious. Because you're definitely gonna get disingenuous assholes trying to tear down an important cultural icon in the guise of just 'discussing the movie'.

But in the case of alienous, I think he's just asking normal narrative and world building questions that would be asked of other atypical fictional settings. Wakanda is an unusual place. Asking about its origins is natural.

I honestly don't give stupidity the benefit of the doubt."just asking questions" that have been answered already falls under stupidity

None of us know exactly how Wakanda will be portrayed in the MCU, we only have trailers, teasers and small bits of info from the creators to go on with no clue of how much will be taken from what different comic stories we may have read


constantly reaffirming that "i don't buy this" in a film world with a talking raccoon and stones that control time and space is disingenuous bullshit

 

[Valkerionseven]

I just noticed they were in Korea. What is it with Marvel movies and Korea lately?

Marvel's popularity has taken off in the region compared to China and Japan respectively. Korea seems to be down in general for all things MCU, hence why parts of Ultron were filmed there. Not surprising to see another drop by, though I do think they can use the country or setting better.

 

[Veelk]

I honestly don't give stupidity the benefit of the doubt."just asking questions" that have been answered already falls under stupidity

None of us know exactly how Wakanda will be portrayed in the MCU, we only have trailers, teasers and small bits of info from the creators to go on with no clue of how much will be taken from what different comic stories we may have read


constantly reaffirming that "i don't buy this" in a film world with a talking raccoon and stones that control time and space is disingenuous bullshit

I agree, but I don't think alienous said anything about not buying wakanda as a concept. He's just asking what it's history is, which nearly every far fetched fantasy/sci-fi concept does. Including rocket racoon. GotG briefly tells us his history of how he was tortured and augmented and that's why he is how he is (both mechanically and emotionally).

And while you're right that we're gonna get the explanation in the movie, what do you propose we talk about until then, if speculation is off the table?

 

[Vicetrailia]

The song failed to properly hype, but I can't wait for this.

 

[mortal]

Why don't the US and Canada fix the poverty problem in Mexico? I mean Mexico is a part of NA isn't it?

Why in the hell are you asking me? lol

People are just asking questions because they are generally interested in understanding more about the film's setting, yet some people take offense anyway. I honestly don't get it. Trailer piqued some interest, therefore folks want to know what and why. Not everyone here is read up on the comics.

I don't understand where all of this defensiveness is coming from.

 

[Zzoram]

The song in the last trailer was better. That last trailer was cut better too.

Still hyped.

 

[Plywood]

No bias, but what TV shows are you watching?

I'll admit I'm being hyperbolic, but some of the scenes in the trailer have a sort of cheap quality to them like the first scene of BP jumping on the back of the car or when the suit's appearing on him or the train roaring by as he's fighting Killmonger or when he's running along the wall. Now it could be the way the trailer was cut, but it looks rough around the edges for me. I do like the overall aesthetic of the movie, it's just I think something like this looks bad:

The song in the last trailer was better. That last trailer was cut better too.

Still hyped.

By far.