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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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The PS5 will come out in 2 or 3 years probably so bet against
PackAPunchedMick
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What? Some of the most successful games of all time are online only.
DriftingSpirit
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Of course.
Well this is a silly thing to say.
Absolutely but if you took advantage of the Visa promo last BF you already got the game for $35.
Correct but to be fair the internet lost their collective minds when TF was announced as online only. Plus GT has never been an online only game.
There is no legacy campaign type.
PackAPunchedMick
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I was being polite.
I have never seen such a poor, unprofessional write up in all my life.
Koutsoubas
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That's where I was heading but I dont want to be negative. Seems really strange to not get a numbered Gran Turismo for a whole generation
GenericUser
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No. Have you ever been to a real race? I've been to DTM a couple of times and these cars sound way more like the GT3s in PC or Arsetto Corsa then in GTS. I'd say the sound design of GTS is good enough to not ruin the immersion.
My hype level for GTS went from meh to probably day 1 once I read the very early ok impressions itt.
I see it more like the cynical hipster within going on an unchecked rampage.
but GT has never been online only, Im not sure many of its fans in previous years will want it to an online only game
Very surprised at this
Given all the places the game is lacking, all the reviews are a good 1/10 higher than I expected.
I guess production values/presentation do matter more than anything, but then again that's kind of GT's strength historically, and competition has generally excelled elsewhere pretty much since Forza came onto the scene.
I guess production values/presentation do matter more than anything, but then again that's kind of GT's strength historically, and competition has generally excelled elsewhere pretty much since Forza came onto the scene.
Lets see how it sells first. Sim racing is a dying genre and GT still sells on name alone.
I just read the review and he's talking about the lack of campaign and content in it.. Yeah, it's petty, but it's not the main negative points of the review.
So, a pretty big patch (v 1.02 12GB) was released last night that made some pretty big changes. Also, the game was running off of the beta servers until last night as well. Because of these factors, and the fact that we didn't get it until last Thursday, are the reasons why I'm not posting an actual review until next week.
Minuses right now include:
- No opportunity to upgrade parts on cars as in the past. I'm actually ok with this, but it's a huge departure for series veterans.
- No weather effects beside clouds. This is mainly a minus because other games are offering extended weather like rain etc. Personally it doesn't bother me much, but I get why it's a big deal to a lot of people. (patch notes mention adding car data for Rain, so there's that)
- Car damage is still pretty limited, but it does happen. It just doesn't go far enough in terms of "realistic" performance limitations from huge hits (so far, I have a feeling this is coming in the future)
- They've evolved your driver's career and how it's done, so it doesn't feel familiar to GT fans, but I actually like what they've done. Instead of attaining license levels, progression is essentially based on XP, Miles driven, and in-game credit. So instead of finishing license challenges for progression, you now move through Arcade Mode and the challenges in Career Mode instead. This gives you a lot more freedom instead of a linear path to higher levels. You're not "creating a driver", but instead, you ARE that driver, and you're still trying to earn what's needed to move up the ladder. Some tracks and variations are locked until you reach a certain level, but it's not bad at all. I only have a handful that I still need to unlock, and I haven't been annoyed by that at all.
- Sometimes the game likes to put you in an awkward situation in a rolling start, like bringing you into a huge, sweeping turn that requires you to slam on the brakes once you get control. I hope they can address that issue somehow.
- Again because GT fans are used to something different, the amount of cars available feels light, and we already know that Super GP is coming via DLC at some point. But it feels like we're going to be purchasing a lot of car and track packs in the future.
Positives:
- The visuals are stunning, which is admirable in a time where both PC2 and Forza 7 have already hit (I like the visuals in both of those quite a bit.) Even on a standard PS4 without HDR, GT Sport shines in every aspect. The lighting is fantastic, especially in night races. Headlights emit what feels like perfectly accurate light, especially when you see the active shadows of cars in front of you on a wall along the track. A night race at an "oval track" is impressive to say the least too. Beyond that, if you have an HDR-capable display, GT Sport really is your new showoff piece. The extended color space and lighting/brightness control is amazing. It's just a shame that it's so difficult to show that to people that don't have an HDR-capable display of some kind.
- The racing is incredibly solid with both the DS4 and a wheel. I play in my office on a DualShock 4 and I haven't had any problems yet (I can't say that about (PC2 unfortunately). I just love that the actual "tires on the surface" feel is there for me, which is rare in racing game IMO. Control of the cars feels so accurate, especially between RWD, FWD, and AWD. You're forced to actually think about your strategy more depending on the drivetrain for whatever car you're using.
- The audio is fantastic so far. I'm not one to know exactly how every real car should sound, but from what I actually do know, I love how it sounds, especially in headphones. Everything moves around accurately, and nothing dominates the audioscape like the braking sounds in FC2 (for example).
- There are over 1,000 landscapes available for using in Photo Mode, and the entire system is a lot of fun. A "Scapes Pack" is available for download today, but I believe it's free.It's easy to lose a LOT of time in there, and they've included some really cool locales.
So far, for me at least, the "minuses" are pretty minor, and what's available feels great. It's dominated all of my free-time and that's a good thing. I also love that it doesn't feel "gimped" at all on a standard PS4 either. Everything is fantastic no matter what model PS4 you're using, and that's important for this game. I'm sure that the GT superfans are going to find many issues with the game, and I would expect nothing less, but in terms of my expectations, this is in-line with what I wanted so far, but I still have a LOT more to dig into before I'm comfortable giving it a proper review.
Minuses right now include:
- No opportunity to upgrade parts on cars as in the past. I'm actually ok with this, but it's a huge departure for series veterans.
- No weather effects beside clouds. This is mainly a minus because other games are offering extended weather like rain etc. Personally it doesn't bother me much, but I get why it's a big deal to a lot of people. (patch notes mention adding car data for Rain, so there's that)
- Car damage is still pretty limited, but it does happen. It just doesn't go far enough in terms of "realistic" performance limitations from huge hits (so far, I have a feeling this is coming in the future)
- They've evolved your driver's career and how it's done, so it doesn't feel familiar to GT fans, but I actually like what they've done. Instead of attaining license levels, progression is essentially based on XP, Miles driven, and in-game credit. So instead of finishing license challenges for progression, you now move through Arcade Mode and the challenges in Career Mode instead. This gives you a lot more freedom instead of a linear path to higher levels. You're not "creating a driver", but instead, you ARE that driver, and you're still trying to earn what's needed to move up the ladder. Some tracks and variations are locked until you reach a certain level, but it's not bad at all. I only have a handful that I still need to unlock, and I haven't been annoyed by that at all.
- Sometimes the game likes to put you in an awkward situation in a rolling start, like bringing you into a huge, sweeping turn that requires you to slam on the brakes once you get control. I hope they can address that issue somehow.
- Again because GT fans are used to something different, the amount of cars available feels light, and we already know that Super GP is coming via DLC at some point. But it feels like we're going to be purchasing a lot of car and track packs in the future.
Positives:
- The visuals are stunning, which is admirable in a time where both PC2 and Forza 7 have already hit (I like the visuals in both of those quite a bit.) Even on a standard PS4 without HDR, GT Sport shines in every aspect. The lighting is fantastic, especially in night races. Headlights emit what feels like perfectly accurate light, especially when you see the active shadows of cars in front of you on a wall along the track. A night race at an "oval track" is impressive to say the least too. Beyond that, if you have an HDR-capable display, GT Sport really is your new showoff piece. The extended color space and lighting/brightness control is amazing. It's just a shame that it's so difficult to show that to people that don't have an HDR-capable display of some kind.
- The racing is incredibly solid with both the DS4 and a wheel. I play in my office on a DualShock 4 and I haven't had any problems yet (I can't say that about (PC2 unfortunately). I just love that the actual "tires on the surface" feel is there for me, which is rare in racing game IMO. Control of the cars feels so accurate, especially between RWD, FWD, and AWD. You're forced to actually think about your strategy more depending on the drivetrain for whatever car you're using.
- The audio is fantastic so far. I'm not one to know exactly how every real car should sound, but from what I actually do know, I love how it sounds, especially in headphones. Everything moves around accurately, and nothing dominates the audioscape like the braking sounds in FC2 (for example).
- There are over 1,000 landscapes available for using in Photo Mode, and the entire system is a lot of fun. A "Scapes Pack" is available for download today, but I believe it's free.It's easy to lose a LOT of time in there, and they've included some really cool locales.
So far, for me at least, the "minuses" are pretty minor, and what's available feels great. It's dominated all of my free-time and that's a good thing. I also love that it doesn't feel "gimped" at all on a standard PS4 either. Everything is fantastic no matter what model PS4 you're using, and that's important for this game. I'm sure that the GT superfans are going to find many issues with the game, and I would expect nothing less, but in terms of my expectations, this is in-line with what I wanted so far, but I still have a LOT more to dig into before I'm comfortable giving it a proper review.
Did you read the reviews?
Single player is sort of a blend of license tests, training/tutorial tasks/videos with a few legit races as a "final test" of sorts for each unit, and focused track tutorials.
From the demo, you could get the career completion to 25% within two or three hours, but the later missions might take longer to complete. That's as much as I've played so far, and some of these reviews aren't going into further specifics.
Yikes. Do you need PS+ for that as well?
Gran Turismo Sport is the proper Gran Turismo for the PS4.
Gran Turismo is not a yearly franchise. I strongly suspect the next GT game will launch in the first year of the PS5, maybe later.
I do expect quite a bit of DLC for GTS in the mean time.
Stripper13
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Or, the game is just a whole lot of fun and manages to be be distinct despite it lacking some features or content its competitors have.
MurkyZebra2417
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There was an Option in the Demo to Level Up certain Stats of the Cars, no single parts though.
Only took 3 pages.
Nothing close to the car building of the previous games though.
I dont like to moan too much as if people are happy with it, and it sells well fair enough. (Also I am assuming others wanted a more traditional game. I have no idea if thats the case)
I was really expecting it to have proper single player mode though as well as online
Just seems to me they cut corners and still somehow managed to take years in development. How do other racing games manage online and story mode in the same package and these guys cant with this?
Anyway, pleased I saw it as I was literally hovering over the buy now button on PS store a few moments ago
Yeah, I have mixed feelings on the somewhat generic "improve" cars by using miles. It feels gamey to me, and not in a good way. I'd like either authentic-feeling parts replacements, or locked-in specs.
Audioboxer
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So you can confirm even although the latest patch says adds weather conditions for cars, weather isn't actually patched in yet?
Thanks for holding off on your review though, informed opinions are better than rushed (or those that can't even test half the game). I'm sure you'll get some clicks for an informed review as it'll be appreciated.
Right
Koutsoubas
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I don't see GT Sport as a full on GT release. I can recognize its strengths and merits but that's not a game that will keep me invested
Maybe once in a while for an online race or 2, or maybe for some Photo Mode moments.
Obviously something went wrong during development and they faced delays. Still seems like a solid release but not of the same caliber like previous entries
BBQ_of_DOOM
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Polyphony does, though.
The specs are locked in in all the Sport mode races by way of the Balance of Power system, so it's just a supplementary upgrade system for the cars to use in offline Arcade races (and online lobbies?)
They should try making one tuned for the particular type of racing game fan that I am next - one who likes playing Gran Turismo, but not online.
You know - like Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3, 4, GTPSP, 5 and 6.
I noticed at least one of these just in the demo, and it gave the sense of just something thrown together haphazardly. The "challenge" didn't feel like a deliberate skill test, it was super odd.
I understand that, we're talking about how upgrades are implemented.
There isn't enough content for a proper career mode. Plus the progression is tied to the online mode, you need to stay connected at all times or all progression is disabled.
Are they going to add a different progress scale for offline players?
Not to say it would hurt/confuse people about the gaas scheme they are going for.
aspiegamer
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I'm going to attack a different part of that ridiculous Gamespot piece:
He's misinterpreting the entire concept of the game, and this is a complete lie. The idea is that any random person off the street can go compete at some level, even the slowest of the slow, and still have fun. The entire game is built around this concept. This is what Sport mode is.
That's 2 longer than I was expecting, to be honest.
Stripper13
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wow @ that headline 😲 I thought Sony money was so big that almost no outlets would call them out on their BS with this. They obviously need more people to sub to PS+ so theyre basically trying to force it with their biggest franchise.
They should try making one tuned for the particular type of racing game fan that I am next - one who likes playing Gran Turismo, but not online.
You know - like Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3, 4, GTPSP, 5 and 6.
Review threads never fail to bring out the crazies.
I checked every available track last night after v1.02 was installed, no rain.
License tests were always one of my favorite parts of GT. That being said, I'm not sure I should go and pick up my LE preorder today, seeing how limited SP is. I hardly ever race online.
The only thing tempting me to keep it right now is the visuals. God DAMN that DF HDR video. Does this make me shallow?
It's Peter Brown, whom I consider to be their best remaining reviewer. Still a bizarre review in progress all around.
wow @ that headline 😲 I thought Sony money was so big that almost no outlets would call them out on their BS with this. They obviously need more people to sub to PS+ so theyre basically trying to force it with their biggest franchise.
They should try making one tuned for the particular type of racing game fan that I am next - one who likes playing Gran Turismo, but not online.
You know - like Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3, 4, GTPSP, 5 and 6.
... What?
I understand not being happy with the direction the franchise is going, but to blame it on GT Sport being a Trojan Horse for Plus subs is absurd.
I'd be happy to see another GT game this generation, but as I said before I don't think it's happening. Polyphony obviously considers GTS to be a full on GT release.
Hah! Told you this would be a good thread.
MurkyZebra2417
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People Always want Games/Series to evolve. Online is the Logical current Evolution for racers, and i say that AS someone who plays SP most of the time. But maybe after 7+ Games you should Change the Formula. I was positively surprised by the Demo and it got me to buy the Game.wow @ that headline 😲 I thought Sony money was so big that almost no outlets would call them out on their BS with this. They obviously need more people to sub to PS+ so theyre basically trying to force it with their biggest franchise.
They should try making one tuned for the particular type of racing game fan that I am next - one who likes playing Gran Turismo, but not online.
You know - like Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3, 4, GTPSP, 5 and 6.
GoldenCrow
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I don't really get what's to be bitter about. The write up is all over the place, exceptionally poor and badly researched.
I'm certainly no GT fan as I was originally only going to get the game for VR but it's clear as day it's a solid game and unlike the scatter shot approach of the prior games it nails almost everything it tries to do perfectly with quality control no GT game has hit prior.
GT does have a few issues like crap rally, no AI options or time trials in VR, and a lack of tracks. Though I do think the car lineup is good for launch with the direction they are focusing on and that they all feel unique unlike prior and other games. I will never be a fan of those vision GT cars though. The single player missions are solid and pretty much the exact same sort of content in the older games just laid out differently.
That gamespot title is doing my head in. Gran Turismo Sport is a strange game tuned for a very particular type of racing fan... as in the ones that actually care about racing? I don't get it. I know the Gran Turismo car-rpg model is really enjoyable (up to a point, I'm extremely burnt out on it to be honest), but racing fans like racing, and Gran Turismo sport is a proper racing game where the racing is the primary event. I don't think you can say that about Forza... perhaps it's Forza Motorsport that is a strange game tuned for a very particular type of racing fan, because there's no way Motorsport is its focus.
This is kind of the core point. Gran Turismo Sport does online better than the other racing games (save for iRacing which isn't particularly comparable). I think a lot of primarily offline racing game fans don't really realise how weak the experience online in racing games tends to be.
I don't want to single any game out here, because it's true for all of them including the old Gran Turismo games: online racing is a complete mess across the board. Ramming and crashing, both intentional and unintentional is common. Cheating is common. Massively imbalanced cars, exploitative upgrades and tune setups are common. Fair racing is practically impossible find unless you organise things outside the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL2S_-PbQM
Whether you think the focus on online is a good thing or not, please don't think that it's merely a case of them doing what the others already do. It's simply not true. I've been waiting for something like this for a decade.
This is kind of the core point. Gran Turismo Sport does online better than the other racing games (save for iRacing which isn't particularly comparable). I think a lot of primarily offline racing game fans don't really realise how weak the experience online in racing games tends to be.
I don't want to single any game out here, because it's true for all of them including the old Gran Turismo games: online racing is a complete mess across the board. Ramming and crashing, both intentional and unintentional is common. Cheating is common. Massively imbalanced cars, exploitative upgrades and tune setups are common. Fair racing is practically impossible find unless you organise things outside the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL2S_-PbQM
Whether you think the focus on online is a good thing or not, please don't think that it's merely a case of them doing what the others already do. It's simply not true. I've been waiting for something like this for a decade.
wow @ that headline 😲 I thought Sony money was so big that almost no outlets would call them out on their BS with this. They obviously need more people to sub to PS+ so theyre basically trying to force it with their biggest franchise.
They should try making one tuned for the particular type of racing game fan that I am next - one who likes playing Gran Turismo, but not online.
You know - like Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3, 4, GTPSP, 5 and 6.
There's nothing bullshit about it, this is the direction the series is going. Its just not for you it seems, there are plenty of offline racers if that's what you're after.
What? Why are those things locked off whilst online? Edit livery and scapes in particular; why are those locked out if you're not online?
PackAPunchedMick
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I have no idea in regards to the reasoning of the reviewers write up, its bizarre.
What I posted was the only logical explanation.
Regardless, the knee jerk reaction that it boils down to fanboyism should be kept to other forums like Gamefaqs, not here.
IGN review in progress
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/10/17/gran-turismo-sport-review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/10/17/gran-turismo-sport-review