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[RDreamer]

double whammy of this shit coming out right after how poorly the amir0x shit was bungled

And then the entire mod team quit, the site went down for a few days and reappeared with half the forum gone and the response we get is this article. Even if you were trying to say neutral everything there just pushes you away.

Gee, I wonder why a bunch of people are leaving?

 

[FingerBang]

I love GAF but I'm not writing my opinion because I want to defend the forum. It's something that I felt for a long time on a variety of topics that have surfaced here but never cared enough to actually argue with someone.

Is Evilore a bad person? I don't know. In this particular instance (shower incident) did he do something that deserves the reaction the community has shown? In my opinion: No.

This is the reason why people outside of gaf hate it and were celebrating its death. This is why you can't have one topic like the Naughty Dog one without having hundreds of posts asking for the studio to close and everyone get fired. This is exactly the same shit. It's really hard to fight the good fight (more inclusion, respect for women, LGBT rights and so on) if the people that are supposed to be on your side are AS BAD as those you're fighting.

Everything is a safe space until you're the target.

Hopefully the community, that is what gaf is made of (I have probably seen 2 posts from Evilore in my life), will be able to get its shit together and keep up the great work it has done for 10 years.

 

[metalslimer]

And then the entire mod team quit, the site went down for a few days and reappeared with half the forum gone and the response we get is this article. Even if you were trying to say neutral everything there just pushes you away.

Gee, I wonder why a bunch of people are leaving?

And there is still no statement. Deleting the OT was terrible and destroyed many communitiies without a way for them to figure out how to go forward. Opening the gaming side back up with no statement is bullshit

 

[IISANDERII]

i was very shocked when I read this article but I am trying to stay neutral

It's not hard if you're familiar with something as basic as innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Palabragrís]

The banhammer is strong on this place.

 

[RDreamer]

I side with the woman and she already said she feels bad for this blowing up.

I mean if they banged later on. I don't get it. I mean if you felt that badly traumatised by evillore naked event. Then maybe don't have sex later on?

I dunno. But I think the scenario under a different lense. Is pretty funny.

Stop.

Seriously, what part of VICTIMS DO THESE SORTS OF THINGS ALL THE TIME do people not understand? Domestic abuse victims go home to their abusers. Rape victims rationalize things and sometimes get with their rapists. That's reality. I can attest myself to having some horrific bullying trauma where I befriended the people afterwards and sometimes it lasted and sometimes it didn't. In exactly none of these cases does that make the initial issue any better.

And no, the scenario under a different sense is not "pretty funny." Having someone you didn't consent to showing up in the shower with you at a vulnerable time like that is not "pretty funny." It will never be "pretty funny" to almost any woman that has ever existed. That's fucking terrifying to pretty much every one of them.

Seriously, this is disgusting.

 

[Randam]

I side with the woman and she already said she feels bad for this blowing up.

I mean if they banged later on. I don't get it. I mean if you felt that badly traumatised by evillore naked event. Then maybe don't have sex later on?

I dunno. But I think the scenario under a different lense. Is pretty funny.

Does that really change anything?

A person joined someone else unasked under the shower. That is not OK.
And she had every right to make a #metoo about it.
They made up after it, but it still happened and maybe did happen to others too, or will happen to some.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Blown way too far out of proportion and I feel bad for some of people's outrage.

I think it's pretty funny.

The way this thing has turned out for Evillore is the epitomy of awkward gaf man.

I feel bad for both of them. But still, it's funny to me. But yeah shit hurricane for them.

I'm laughing though.

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Revolutionary]

If it's what Evilore says it was, then it's frightening to think what a scorned woman can do to a man several years after the fact.

And honestly, I'm inclined to believe him because no one could be THAT proud that they would prefer their site to burn to ashes rather than admit fault.. right?

Edit: Oh right I totally forgot that they continued a physical relationship afterwards. Yeah, it's not a good look for the accuser.

 

[A.Romero]

This is the reason why people outside of gaf hate it and were celebrating its death. This is why you can't have one topic like the Naughty Dog one without having hundreds of posts asking for the studio to close and everyone get fired. This is exactly the same shit. It's really hard to fight the good fight (more inclusion, respect for women, LGBT rights and so on) if the people that are supposed to be on your side are AS BAD as those you're fighting.

Everything is a safe space until you're the target.

Hopefully the community, that is what gaf is made of (I have probably seen 2 posts from Evilore in my life), will be able to get its shit together and keep up the great work it has done for 10 years.

You are right!

 

[Chumly]

It’s incredibly disappointing seeing how this has been handled in all directions. Tyler fucked up the initial handling. Unfortunately (even if it is false) the agressive response did not help the situation. Something more level headed would have gone over far better. Unfortunately we will never get that initial handling back.

He may still be a terrible person but people need to get a grip over what happened. Stop acting like he’s a malicious predator. Even if the base story if it’s 100% true is something we should be able to forgive. He left the shower when asked...... by her own accounts he misread the situation and didn’t go any farther. Maybe I’m a terrible person also but at some point we have to reign in the witch hunts.

I’m willing to wait for more info.

 

[Apocryphon]

she was drunk and went into the bathroom to puke her guts out. I don't know about you, but in that situation I'm not super concerned about making sure the bathroom door is locked. It doesn't mean it's an invitation to come in.

a) you're presuming that it happened exactly that way when you can't possibly know whether or not it did.

b) even if it did, people do all kinds of stupid stuff when they're. Some people do things so stupid that people end up dead. It isn't out of the real of possibility that he just made a stupid call.

There should be a presumption of innocence. That a brief Facebook post lacking any kind of evidence is enough for some people to condemn the guy is abhorrent.

 

[baberunisei]

The article is fantastic.

Personally I missed GAF for all these days it had been offline.

I also am never going to support any movement that can end up with someone’s life being completely ruined because of an accusation like this before the due process takes place.

I firmly believe that, as a user of Evilore’s forum, I will only have enough information to decide that I don’t wanna be involved with anything related to him after this due process happens, and the accuser proves what she said.

We’re living dark times, judging people instantaneously, what inevitably leads to making mistakes.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Doesn't matter, you don't get into the shower with someone unasked.
Imo no matter what happened between them afterwards, that situation wasn't OK.

Here doing a #metoo about was fine. She shouldn't have named evilore though, after they made up after it and even had sexual relations.

But after she did, evilore couldn't have reacted more wrong.
Should immediately have said, that is was true, it was wrong and that they even kept hanging out after it.
But he tried to sweep it under the rug. And the other mods weren't OK with that, so they left.

I pretty much agree with most you say here.

 

[Old Empire.]

Did i read right she dated Tyler Malka after this incident? If i read right not sure i get way she all upset? If you truly felt weird about things you would not have had a sexual relationship with him later.

 

[Fancyarcher]

This is all straight-up madness. I'm glad this forum came back, but the entire thing does not look good. I'm not sure I'll be posting regularly on this forum either. Sad really! Hopefully it's smooth sailing from here out though.

 

[Neoweee]

Also they weren't ok with this...

Somehow even worse than Megalosaro's Dating GAF stories.

 

[ShogunX]

Great article.

Go fuck yourself you fucking rapey piece of shit and I hope you shit only cacti for the rest of your victim shaming life you piece of trash scum

Also 4k blu rays are dope, yakuza 0 is a great game, and fuck yourself again you shitstain

What even is this nonsense?

 

[eBay Huckster]

I also am never going to support any movement that can end up with someone’s life being completely ruined because of an accusation like this before the due process takes place.

I firmly believe that, as a user of Evilore’s forum, I will only have enough information to decide that I don’t wanna be involved with anything related to fim after this due process happens, and the accuser proves what she said.

for as much as you keep bleating about due process, this is a fucking internet forum, not a court of law

 

[metalslimer]

The article is fantastic.

Personally I missed GAF for all these days it had been offline.

I also am never going to support any movement that can end up with someone’s life being completely ruined because of an accusation like this before the due process takes place.

I firmly believe that, as a user of Evilore’s forum, I will only have enough information to decide that I don’t wanna be involved with anything related to fim after this due process happens, and the accuser proves what she said.

We’re living dark times, judging people instantaneously, what inevitably leads to making mistakes.

He's not doing himself any favors after bungling the Amirox child porn by basically shutting up everyone and his lack of a real response to this

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Does that really change anything?

A person joined someone else unasked under the shower. That is not OK.
And she had every right to make a #metoo about it.
They made up after it, but it still happened and maybe did happen to others too, or will happen to some.

Sure but she then said get out and he did.

He clearly tragically misread the situation. But as soon as she was able to assert consent, which she didnt. He left.

It's a really really bold play. And it really didn't pay off.

But no. I don't see this as a big deal at all.

You're all shitting yourselves over a funny story.

She must of found it ok if she was able to have sex with him a month or so after.

Extend the same charity. Well not the same. But you get it.

 

[numble]

The article is fantastic.

Personally I missed GAF for all these days it had been offline.

I also am never going to support any movement that can end up with someone’s life being completely ruined because of an accusation like this before the due process takes place.

I firmly believe that, as a user of Evilore’s forum, I will only have enough information to decide that I don’t wanna be involved with anything related to him after this due process happens, and the accuser proves what she said.

We’re living dark times, judging people instantaneously, what inevitably leads to making mistakes.

He can sue the accuser, but the burden will actually be on him to prove he is correct. In a civil suit, she would be innocent until EviLore proves her liable.

 

[Neoweee]

He's not doing himself any favors after bungling the Amirox child porn by basically shutting up everyone and his lack of a real response to this

Yeah, I think the real consequences come from his mis-handling of a previous scandal, combined with his blithe dismissal or lack of concern for his mod team. They are volunteers, and they are the force that kept GAF from the abyss. Without them, GAF would be (and probably will be) nothing.

He can sue the accuser, but the burden will actually be on him to prove he is correct. In a civil suit, she would be innocent until EviLore proves her liable.

No court would rule against her, due to the non-direct way she got involved in the scandal blowing up. She didn't want any of this shitstorm, it sounds like.

 

[Curious Puppy]

Those of you staying in this shit infested sewer and still lining EL's pockets are fucking pathetic. You know you're pathetic and everyone else does too.

 

[sun-drop]

I find it totally unbelievable that a site like this can come crashing down on the lone allegation of one woman, who at least at one point had a consenting physical encounter with the guy since. Sorry but that is at the very least calls into question the alleged facts

Is it mob rule now post harvey weinstein? What a joke.

There are courts for this kind of thing. Bottom line.

Have never held the gaming press in high regard and this doesn't change that perception at all.

 

[RDreamer]

It's a really really bold play.

Stuff like this and the other poster saying it was an "awkward way of getting something going" and the other poster saying he thought it was funny.

Yeah, this is rape culture.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

This entire melt down is what you get when people live and breathe to get high off of drama.

This has got to be the most overblown bullshit ever. And I can't be on offtopic for this?

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

double whammy of this shit coming out right after how poorly the amir0x shit was bungled

All I heard about this was something about him doing a gofundme and ended up using the money for drugs... How was it handled, how did the truth come out about it, etc?

 

[MrToast]

Patrick Klepek is someone who actually cares about his career and reputation, unlike the subject of the article he wrote.

Debatable.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Stuff like this and the other poster saying it was an "awkward way of getting something going" and the other poster saying he thought it was funny.

Yeah, this is rape culture.

No rape culture would be her actually being sexually attacked physically.

He presented himself, she said no. He left.

They were both sharing a hotel . clearly had chemistry if they were banging a month after...

I just think it was a blunder.

 

[Froli]

soooo all this crap and she ended up having sex with him anyway? ... wow

She left that out on facebook post. But when the interviews started coming, her story was changing more informations/details are added.

Both seems to have some infatuation, Both are drunk and who knows what they were discussing, went for a shower since she wasn't feeling well, didn't close the door, he went there as the naked man, She said NO and he backs off then some time later they still have sex.


In the end..I was like WTF. Did Gaf really burned for this?

Then I read the other posts about other incidents that was not properly addressed and it kinda accumulated.

 

[soundtest]

What even is this nonsense?

Don't quote me till he fucks his own ass with pinecones in repentence.

 

[meanspartan]

Lmao victim blaming and mental illness card. It was almost impossible to look worse talking than staying silent but he did it.

What a piece of trash.

Honest question - lets say for the sake of argument he is innocent of all this.

Is ANY defense of himself fucking "victim blaming"? Once you are accused you are just not allowed to defend yourself?

 

[HariKari]

All I heard about this was something about him doing a gofundme and ended up using the money for drugs... How was it handled, how did the truth come out about it, etc?

He got arrested, mods wanted to bury it and forget like he ever existed (completely understandable) but people took that as censorship.

 

[eBay Huckster]

All I heard about this was something about him doing a gofundme and ended up using the money for drugs... How was it handled, how did the truth come out about it, etc?

the amir0x thing?

there was him using mod powers to ban/edit posts of people he disagreed with, there was him constantly starting shit in OT even after getting demodded, and then there was him literally getting caught in his house with a fuckton of child porn (plus malka's weaksauce statement after that where he pretended not to know a longtime mod's name)

 

[metalslimer]

All I heard about this was something about him doing a gofundme and ended up using the money for drugs... How was it handled, how did the truth come out about it, etc?

It's in the article, but Amirox was busted for child porn, and instead of responding after it happened everyone was basically silent. Evillore said this was because he didn't know Amirox's real name which seems to have been a blatant lie.

 

[meanspartan]

Those of you staying in this shit infested sewer and still lining EL's pockets are fucking pathetic. You know you're pathetic and everyone else does too.

....You're here

 

[RDreamer]

No rape culture would be her actually being sexually attacked physically.

He presented himself, she said no. He left.

They were both sharing a hotel . clearly had chemistry if they were banging a month after...

I just think it was a blunder.

Do you really not understand how terrifying to a woman it would be if someone showed up in your shower naked, uninvited, while you're sick and vulnerable? That IS an attack.

Banging a month later means nothing. That does not negate what happened. Jesus, have you people never read accounts of victims of assault, rape, abuse, and bullying?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Leaving thread.

But just saying.

Stop getting high off of drama that you can't accurately see the situation for what it is.

Gafmans epic hit on failure.

 

[Future]

This entire melt down is what you get when people live and breathe to get high off of drama.

This has got to be the most overblown bullshit ever. And I can't be on offtopic for this?

The culture of off topic was getting high off said drama

 

[Old Empire.]

No rape culture would be her actually being sexually attacked physically.

He presented himself, she said no. He left.

They were both sharing a hotel . clearly had chemistry if they were banging a month after...

I just think it was a blunder.

I struggling to understand why this is a big deal? She even dated him after this shower incident. She obviously looking for attention.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

He got arrested, mods wanted to bury it and forget like he ever existed (completely understandable) but people took that as censorship.

I see. Were those that donated refunded?

 

[Neoweee]

She left that out on facebook post. But when the interviews started coming, her story was changing and more informations/details are added.

In the end..I was like WTF

This is truly the dumbest sex scandal of my lifetime.

Like, the dude is/was absolutely not in the right in any fashion whatsoever, but it just sounds a complete shit show for everyone involved.

I wouldn't be surprised to see other scandals arise over the coming weeks, however.

 

[skullmuffins]

a) you're presuming that it happened exactly that way when you can't possibly know whether or not it did.

b) even if it did, people do all kinds of stupid stuff when they're. Some people do things so stupid that people end up dead. It isn't out of the real of possibility that he just made a stupid call.

There should be a presumption of innocence. That a brief Facebook post lacking any kind of evidence is enough for some people to condemn the guy is abhorrent.

The only description of the events we have is from her perspective, as "the other side" has declined to elaborate beyond calling the accuser malicious and mentally unstable. The post I replied to takes it as a fact that the bathroom door was left open, a fact only coming from her. I pointed out the rest of the context, which is pretty fucking relevant if you want to claim "she was asking for it".

 

[LakeEarth]

I've been on vacation in Orlando, was super busy for several days. When I left NeoGAF, everything was fine, everything was good. Then I finally returned and the place was on fire.

Seriously, I felt like I was living that Community gif.

 

[torre_avenue]

I've been on vacation in Orlando, was super busy for several days. When I left NeoGAF, everything was fine, everything was good. Then I finally returned and the place was on fire.

Seriously, I felt like I was living that Community gif.

You’re telling me.

I literally fell asleep after browsing GAF and woke up to this shitstorm.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I've been on vacation in Orlando, was super busy for several days. When I left NeoGAF, everything was fine, everything was good. Then I finally returned and the place was on fire.

Seriously, I felt like I was living that Community gif.

Plus if its as stupid as it seems.

There's a lot of gaffers self immolating out of a stupid sense of righteousness.

This is the most awkward shit I've read. But this isn't assault

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

the amir0x thing?

there was him using mod powers to ban/edit posts of people he disagreed with, there was him constantly starting shit in OT even after getting demodded, and then there was him literally getting caught in his house with a fuckton of child porn (plus malka's weaksauce statement after that where he pretended not to know a longtime mod's name)

It's in the article, but Amirox was busted for child porn, and instead of responding after it happened everyone was basically silent. Evillore said this was because he didn't know Amirox's real name which seems to have been a blatant lie.

The link to the article wasn't working for me earlier, it is now though, sorry. But all I have to say is holy shit at all of that.

 

[Dyle]

My post on the first page of this thread was deleted earlier, but seeing as no one else here is doing anything differently than I did, I may as well post again. Man the victim blaming here is just out of control. I hope you guys don't use this kind of language when speaking to your moms/sisters/daughters/sons/friends/etc.

 

[Sanjay]

He can sue the accuser, but the burden will actually be on him to prove he is correct. In a civil suit, she would be innocent until EviLore proves her liable.

Well there's that 3rd woman who could back Evilore up, that would help his side of the story. Actually there's loads of incidents involving people that could back a story up to conclude shes not right in the head. He hasn't yet but he has time to do so. I would. And if he doesn't, that also shows a truth of something else, lies.