What did he mean by this?
Member
You got mad preachy first with your long ass post "This is where neogaf went wrong!!!"
Goofy ass
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You got mad preachy first with your long ass post "This is where neogaf went wrong!!!"
Goofy ass
But people didn't pile on him for not liking it. They asked him to elaborate on his post, and sure enough, it turned out he was being insincere.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
You're still here, so clearly community standards are incredibly low.
GAF has been overmoderated to an absurd degree.
For example, the following post got me insta-banned for a month.
I'm not a sexist, I'm not a gamergater, I'm not even a conservative. I was just asking a fucking question. I'm not afraid to say that shit needs to stop. It's a discussion forum for god's sake.
yeah not gonna lie, that's true, but how everything was dealt with is killing gaf. it's dead. they done fucked up
Dont leave yet.
How does it make sense to always believe the victim? What if I accuse you of something right now and everyone believes me?
Why is it ridiculous? Trolling and shitposting make the majority of online forums unbearable. GAF's merciless moderating has been a breath of fresh air. As far as I'm concerned posting on GAF isnt a right.
I think there's a pretty large gulf in difference between someone saying "rap is crap" and someone responding with a racial slur but hey maybe I don't go to 4chan enough to see the nuance.
Uno Venova
Banned
Well, it looks like you thought you were being slick and a mod didn't fall for it.GAF has been overmoderated to an absurd degree.
For example, the following post got me insta-banned for a month.
I'm not a sexist, I'm not a gamergater, I'm not even a conservative. I was just asking a fucking question. I'm not afraid to say that shit needs to stop. It's a discussion forum for god's sake.
Ya that's what I'm seeing too. Gaf was one of the few places I felt safe. Now the leadership is telling me to shut up and only talk about pop culture.
yeah i've already seen a few threads closed that were meant to butt up against this new rule, but otherwise completely innocuous. Really dissapointing. sexual orientation and minority reprisentation are considered 'political'.
coming from a place that had a fucking marriage equality logo not too long ago. How quickly the tides turn when dear leader has
DalikSkywing
Member
Completely agree, let them assholes burn.
I don't know who that "you" is, I never got banned by him. See, that is the problem here. This fucking you against us mentality where you see the boogeyman behind every post, every corner. That shit is toxic af and I'm actually glad people who have thought they are "discussing" things like you do with that post in the OT are account suiciding left and right. The forum will be better off without their BS.Yes goddamit
And if I had it my way he'd ban them all again
HED BAN ALL OF YOU
If that was sarcasm then nvm.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
It's the idea she needs to defend her views. She already is. Her views are front and center for you to hear. You chose not to. You chose to disregard her opinions and call her out for not doing so. It was a shitpost whether you believe it or not. Maybe you should reflect on that a bit.
riskVSreward
Member
The problem is when the mods have a rather stringent and particular interpretation of "hostility" towards someone. If you think Gaf is suddenly gonna be a shit show, with people hurling insults towards women and minorities, you are wrong.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I didn't mean to blanket state that. There are those, like i saw Alucrid, who has been here for the better part of a decade, sure, but most are a bunch of random gaming-side whiners who never contributed beyond gifs and inside jokes. The forum won't miss them.
I am glad to have spent literally half my life on different versions of GAF. It has made me a decent person.
Before GAF, and during most of my early years here, I was an ignorant conservative who believed liberals were idiot, unwashed masses set to destroy America. Later, I figured that i was fine, but the Republican party is wanted to vote for was being co-opted by outside idiots and I could fix it. Finally, I understood that Republicans were always shit ever since the party swap after and during the progressive era. I am a registered Democrat who won't engage or allow people around me to engage in racial, sexist, or otherwise bigoted jokes. I think much more often before I speak. I admit that I am wrong often and learn from my mistakes.
I legitimately credit GAF and it's membership for that. Sometimes, the feeling of wanting to belong compels a person to do extreme things. It made me a better, although still incredibly flawed person. That same feeling is pulling this forum apart towards several camps right now.
The people who are just leaving without killing their accounts will largely come back if they truly felt like they were a part of this community. Otherwise, I don't care if they stay gone. I won't miss them.
This is my home.
psychowave
Member
Innocent until proven guilty only makes sense in a court of law.
Well said.
Or maybe he was literally asking if there's an example of her views being challenged in a debate setting.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
GAF has been overmoderated to an absurd degree.
For example, the following post got me insta-banned for a month.
I'm not a sexist, I'm not a gamergater, I'm not even a conservative. I was just asking a fucking question. I'm not afraid to say that shit needs to stop. It's a discussion forum for god's sake.
the anita dick riding has always been pathetic on here. she has absolutely no credibility when it comes to criticizing video games but people treated her shitty high school video essays like it was the gospel. if it was anyone else they would be laughed at.
riskVSreward
Member
I can't even think of a single account suicide that I cared for. I didn't recognize them, or recognized them as undesirable anyway. What I'm witnessing is a series of tantrums.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
Unfortunately in your case, most of the mods who actually enforced and fostered that environment jumped ship.
Lights and Waves
Member
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Link
The Autumn Wind
Agreed, and I'm a straight white male. It was nice coming to a place to discuss politics, sports, entertainment, etc. without having to deal with the ignorant knuckle-draggers shitting up the conversation. NeoGAF allowed for that and it's the reason I've stuck around. Hopefully the planned changes are reconsidered.
Aces&Eights
Member
I hope this board remains a safe place for people who are persecuted, that are trying to find themselves in a world that is judgmental, racist and bigoted. I certainly stand for anyone who is trying to live the life they feel they deserve and want. I think most people on here feel the same. OT had issues. A lot of them. Doesn't mean it was all bad but it was pretty toxic. I think that was mainly in the whole "question something and you're a horrible person" category. A lot of threads, like anything about Hillary, could turn into dogpiles and left a lot of people feeling that they couldn't have discussions. I think that after the dust settles, GAF will begin to grow again and be the same open arms board it use to be, just with less focus on TRUMP ANTIFA NAZI rhetoric.
CrimzonSamurai
Member
It's not even about the inability to use racial slurs, it's the fact that this was one of the very few places that discussions surrounding minority representation in media could be had without it turning into a shitshow at all. Slurs or no slurs.
Like I'm fine with "just talking about video games." Hey, guess what? Social and political issues are important in the construction of narratives in video games. Like Wolfenstein New Collossus or Metro 2033 have deep and political stories to tell. Can't have that here any more though.
Like just imagine what this place will look like when Far Cry 5 comes out.
"Man I really feel like they did a good job portraying the type of isolated rural space that churns out some of America's worst political and religious impulses." = bannable.
Basically just reduced to talking about control schemes and graphical fidelity for any narrative based game.
Revolutionary
Member
Yes, like we always have. But, speaking honestly and as a minority myself, I found the pining for diversity to be kind of nauseating. Link doesn't need to be a woman, etc. Let creators stay true to their visions. It honestly felt like bullying at times with how militant people would get at Nintendo (or whatever other studio) for not being "progressive enough".
RastaMentality
Banned
the only pathetic thing re: anita was that her basic, entry level, obviously true analysis was controversial in the gaming community
spootime
Member
Lmao. Perfect example of what has been wrong with this forum for the past few years. Do you really think that a company having the right to fire an employee for being a prostitute is so INSANELY MISOGYNISTIC! that the poster should be instantly banned? Give me a fucking break. There's a chance to give him a good argument for why its misogynistic and maybe change his mind. Instead hes instabanned. Oh well, at least we're morally superior!
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
I was just trying to give an example of how much of a pile on, hive mind the OT can be... and I think I made my point, even if the dude ended up lying about why he got banned...
would he have been banned if it said "rap music deafens and destroys my ears" instead of "rape" my ears? Maybe? may be not.. Would he had lot of people piling on him for saying that and calling him out as being "casual racist" etc.. Oh you bet!
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
Im a minority in my own country dating another minority in my country that is of different mintory to me and my parents are mixed race refugees who moved here when I was young.
Whats this got to to with video games?
Whats this got to to with video games?
No, it also makes sense as something we achieved as human beings over centuries. It only doesn't make sense if mob mentality and pitchforks are part of your worldview.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Maybe because she was harrassed to hell and back and received death threats while talking about topics no one else was talking about with a different perspective?
He didn't bring forth any argument so I would hope that he was banned for that as well.
I don't go into a specific thread about something I don't like just to say that I don't like it and then bounced. Either you're here to debate or you're here to shitpost. Shitpostt gets you a ban, pretty simple.
How is that shitposting?
He wants her to defend herself while being challenged.
That's a valid position to take even if people disagree.
Trolls with dormant accounts are just taking advantage of the situation. It's happened in the past to a lesser extent, don't take a small sample size and make extrapolations based on it.
Just ignore them and move on, trolls hate it when you do that.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
See, I have no idea what this means. You may not want to believe me, but I am telling you that post was me asking an honest question. I was not attacking anyone, being rude, or even being super critical. Just so I can understand your perspective, can you explain to me why you think that's a bannable offense?
What did he mean by this?
Member
I feel sorry for anyone with credibility in criticizing video games
Exactly.
Poltergust
Member
Another thing to take note of is that the purging of OT also got rid of women/minority/LGBT community threads. That in of itself is terrible.
unknownhero
Member
da fuq? no that poster was not. you are the one assuming things! It shit like this that made neogaf unbearable in the OT, sometimes gaming side, unbearable at times. OH MY GOD, THEY ARE QUESTIONING HER ABILITY TO DEBATE A PERSON! BAN THEM! that's fucking stupid.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
What challenges her views? What are the opposite? The criticisms were pretty obvious attempts to not actually engage her points. It's a lot of "high school essay", "she didn't even play those games", etc. What would a debate look like? "You don't know how many damsels there are!"
Like, the argument against isn't a good one. We all know this.
Like, if you can PM 10 solid arguments against Anita's arguments then maybe I'll listen but she gives you plenty and there's almost none against that aren't about just tearing her down.
Ya, that's what I'm referring to in my post above...
psychowave
Member
Only a tiny minority of sexual assault accusations are false. Women who speak out about rape or sexual assault accusations are rarely believed (though this is slowly changing). I'll take the chance.
OT is still there, it's just hidden. I don't think it was deleted. You get a permission page if you try to go to it.
Nydius
Member
I dunno man. Have you been checking in on the sticky thread and the Waypoint thread? In the former, a Junior member (2016 sign up year) recently defended Evilore's statement by posting a version of the specious "a woman can merely accuse a man and ruin his life" argument. I mean, that's some bog standard anti-woman stuff right there, factually incorrect and generally the starting point for future open hostility towards women.
Read the sticky.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Yeah. I'll echo this.
Mod team needs to clamp down on it or else the silent GamerGaters will slowly normalize their views here causing what made this community good to disappear.
her videos are fine, I think it's an overreation to the fucking fervor, frothing at the mouth and harassment that would start at the mere mention of her
CrimzonSamurai
Member
but if it comes back those topics aren't allowable discussion anymore, so whether it's there or not those threads are gone
riskVSreward
Member
I don't ascribe to your ideology and I don't interpret that claim as anti-women or incorrect. There's not much information there, I would need to hear more to determine if in fact a woman has levied a phony accusation that ruins a man life, because that is a possible event in this known universe.
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