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Moderators: the new ban on social and political discourse
- Thread starter GarthVaderUK
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The game was literally created with the intent of being anti-women.
That's a fact. I'm sorry that you were able to look last that and got annoyed that others spoke out against it.
Get out of here with that "personal politics" crap. Hating women is not "pomitics".
Summer Haze
Banned
Sounds familiar...
Woo-Fu
Banned
Returning to strictly gaming discussion is probably a great move in terms of ad-revenue and growing the readership---which in turn grows ad-revenue---after all the furor dies down. Probably should have happened a long time ago.
The legit discussions had in off-topic can be had on any number of other sites whereas on the other hand there is nothing on the same level as GAF when it comes to gaming.
And let's be honest, there was very little social-political discourse in offtopic. It was an echo chamber where if you didn't jump on the same bandwagon as everybody else you risked the pitchforks or a temp ban.
I will miss the TV/movie stuff, learned about a lot of shows I otherwise would have missed.
The legit discussions had in off-topic can be had on any number of other sites whereas on the other hand there is nothing on the same level as GAF when it comes to gaming.
And let's be honest, there was very little social-political discourse in offtopic. It was an echo chamber where if you didn't jump on the same bandwagon as everybody else you risked the pitchforks or a temp ban.
I will miss the TV/movie stuff, learned about a lot of shows I otherwise would have missed.
Explain what you mean.
LoNe_eXiLe
Banned
OrangeJulius
Member
Succinctly put. This is the attitude that has permeated GAF over the years and put off everyone.
Pic related has been GAF for the past few years. And the prior mods, not all, but many enforced that attitude and line of thinking.
Clockwork
Member
That doesn't mean that it needs to be inserted into every single discussion. People were derailing and shitposting, plain and simple.
That doesn't change because you have some noble intent.
Nope.
Bigotry and sexism is not a "different opinion" and does not deserve respect.
No one was ever banned for saying they were conservative. No one was ever banned for saying they were against abortion. No one was ever banned for saying they liked guns.
Pilgrimzero
Member
One thing I love/d about this place is its left leaning stance. A bunch of other forums like Gamefaqs are full of Gamergate dip shits.
But I suppose banning both sides will have to do.
But I suppose banning both sides will have to do.
NHarmonic.
Member
Toxic is the shit that we see on every outlet in gaming. Gaf was far better just from being away from that. But hey, i guess you don't care about that stuff, are you ok with JonTron and PDP i guess? Like, i don't care what shit they spill to the newer generations as long as we can talk about the game?
Nice way.
OrangeJulius
Member
Even if it was, does that mean it can't be discussed? What gives you the right to squelch discussion of something you don't find tasteful?
What country do you live in where it's normal to completely censor and shut down anything the ruling class doesn't like?
I'm in the U.S. and while things are certainly going south here, we are still free to buy, create and talk about what we want.
Even video games made in poor taste.
If there is a topic about a game that is about hate towards women, it is not a "derail" to bring it up.
It is litetally the game.
Clockwork
Member
So you have played it then? Cool.
Woo-Fu
Banned
People were temp-banned for expressing conservative opinions. I know that one for a fact.
Pretending otherwise, is just that: pretending.Unless you've personally reviewed every single ban then you do not have the data to contradict people with direct experience.
Doesn't matter at this point, though, does it? Just beating a dead horse. A dead horse that should probably stay dead.
The sad part about all of this is that there seems to be a group of people who believe only in extremism, either right or left, that there is no middle-ground. The lefties running around crying alt-right are just the other face of the coin they're railing against.
As far as the OP's question goes: I'd think any gaming-related topic with social/political aspects that made it into the main forum before this would still be welcome in the main forum.
OrangeJulius
Member
Your right, instead they'd be quote bombed, dog piled and forced into trying to respond to 30 posters at once before being banned with a message somewhere along the line of "you are not a good fit for NeoGAF".
We've all seen it happen. Being banned for not being able to respond to a dog pile is not shit posting and is a crap excuse to ban people. But it's how many of the old mods skirted the TOS and banned people they didn't like.
No, no. Bringing it up squelches conversation. Unlike banning political conversation while also equating feminism with politics.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
It's not rocket science. Everyone knows when they post something, whether it crosses the line or not. If you feel like you need to question it then don't post it.
Free speech has nothing to do with moderators on a message board not wanting bigotry on their forum.
It is perfectly normal and GOOD for a forum to "shut down" that bullshit. Or rather, it should be.
NHarmonic.
Member
People were temp-banned for expressing conservative opinions. I know that one for a fact.
Unless you've personally reviewed every single ban then you do not have the data to contradict people with direct experience.
Doesn't matter at this point, though, does it? Just beating a dead horse. A dead horse that should probably stay dead.
Let's see some examples. I can already smell the shit but hey, let's see if you can come up with something different than the usual putrefact stuff regarding LGBTQ, women, or different races. Because i'm pretty sure those were the bannable opinions.
No, they were not.
Unless the "conservative opinion" was something like "gay people shouldn't marry." Then you would deserve a ban, of course.
OrangeJulius
Member
Again, who made you the moral authority? Who made the old mods the moral authority?
Forums are for DISCUSSION, especially for things that are controversial. If you can't discuss it the only thing left to do is commit violence to stop it. Study history and you'll see this has held true for thousands of years.
Words, not swords. That's how humanity progresses. Not through silencing opinions.
Lone Wolf
Member
When you create your own definitions for bigotry, its hard to have a discussion.
Grinchy
Banned
I kinda wanted to make a new thread earlier for it that was just a screens/gifs/discussion thread without any of the goobergater bullshit. But, I thought it might look like a, "haha now that you psychos are gone we can finally talk about it" kinda thing and it wouldn't go well just yet. Might be better to give it a few days.
No one. But saying something racist or homophobic or sexist is wrong. There is no debate to be had there.
Pilgrimzero
Member
Its a privately owned forum, he can set whatever rules he wants. While Free Speech is awesome it has nothing to do with this.
Yikes.
Yes, literally. As in, the GamerGate supporting creator literally announced the game was sexist on Twitter early in its life.
It's okay if you don't care about that, I guess.
But don't delude yourself into thinking it's not. The creator said it himself.
LoNe_eXiLe
Banned
Bigotry and sexism should be frowned upon and opposed in every way. Those who are choosing to stay with GAF are, in turn, turning a blind eye to the actual problems at hand.
Clockwork
Member
Tell us more about your experience playing this game.
I'm waiting...
Edit:
On top of that what if people want to talk about the art style or sound design or the technology behind it? It looked fairly fresh and interesting in that regard. I personally can't see why if people want to discuss such things it needs to be shot down and flooded with "omg misogyny/sexism!" posts.
NHarmonic.
Member
Grow up.
Dude, i think we are really just wasting time here. Now that "politics" are banned gaming finally is free of the "shackles" so they can just be a copy of Reddit or Gamefaqs, or whatever.
I mean, look at the posts here.
Half of the board just got purged because off topic dragging the owner would have been inconvenient for him. To the extent that threads specifically dedicated to discussing "political issues" such as sexual harassment may no longer be able to exist when it is brought back.
There is nothing progressive about allowing biogtry and hate talk, get a grip and listen to yourself.
Holy shit, are people still pretending to be ignorant about this? The creator SAID HIMSELF the game is about feminism "winning."
While also being a big GamerGate supporter.
Come the fuck on.
OrangeJulius
Member
The fact that someone arguing for free speech and discussion of controversial opinions causes you to respond with "yikes" like it's somehow frightening or taboo or gross shows just how far the first world has fallen.
If you don't want discussion on a discussion board then what are you here for?
To hear others parrot back you view point for a dopamine hit?
I don't call myself a progressive. I call myself a human being. If that makes me the devil to you, so be it. I'd rather be a devil with free will than chained to a group of people who tow the party line down the barrel of a gun.
Primethius
Banned
Cause it's made by someone with abohorrent views that premised the game on those. This shits not rocket science.
God, GAF looks like Reddit right now with all these dumb ass "keep politics" out of gaming posts.
I don't care what you call yourself, it's the same limp, pathetic excuses to argue using hateful language. Jump through whatever hoops you need to, you'll never be right.
DarkConfidant
Member
Burner accounts? Those have to be approved first. One cant just keep making disposables easily. Is this what youre telling yourself?
Ah yes, THAT is what shows how far the first world has fallen.
Not electing a sexual assaulter as president or literal Nazis marching in the streets.
Instead, it's someone saying "yikes" to the idea that bigotry is an "opinion."
OrangeJulius
Member
Not an argument.
Maybe they could tell about their experience of 'reading what the creator said of his game'.
You're going to pretend this post doesn't exist, right?
I like to know more about this as well if possible