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Digital Foundry: COD Infinite warfare X vs Pro Graphics Comparison and framerate
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JareBear: Remastered
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X version has screen tearing and noticeable frame drops.
Wonder if they revisit it and submit a second patch to lock at 60
Wonder if they revisit it and submit a second patch to lock at 60
Sosokrates
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Sorry I didnt see this.
Ill will add this here
*Pro is 1800-2160p checkerboard
*X is 1800p-2160p native
*X has slightly improved deph of field effect
*X had a 1-10fps dips and screen tearing in firefights
NOTE ON CONDUCT: Lets try and keep things cival and respectful guys.Like with PS4 and other systems users like to express its power thhrough comments like these "1X/PS4 is a beast" if you dont like those comments just close the thread and move on.
Also lets not be negitive to platforms, lets keep the discussion to that of the technical comparison.Thank you.
Ill will add this here
*Pro is 1800-2160p checkerboard
*X is 1800p-2160p native
*X has slightly improved deph of field effect
*X had a 1-10fps dips and screen tearing in firefights
NOTE ON CONDUCT: Lets try and keep things cival and respectful guys.Like with PS4 and other systems users like to express its power thhrough comments like these "1X/PS4 is a beast" if you dont like those comments just close the thread and move on.
Also lets not be negitive to platforms, lets keep the discussion to that of the technical comparison.Thank you.
JareBear: Remastered
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DF notes and shows in the video that X version has noticeable frame dips, sometimes 50 or lower in their footage shown
Also screen tearing on X version
Gotta be objective, man. Cant just gloss over flaws in the X version
Pro has inferior image quality for this game, compared to X, but maintains locked 60
Trogdor1123
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Sounds like both are pretty great versions
Sosokrates
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Yes i should of watched the full video my apologies, but to be fair these flaws on the 1X should be short lived like they were in titanfall 2.
Hmm, I wonder if they'll maybe add a locked fps version to the X at a later date? The drops and probably more importantly, the noticeable frame time drops seem to have been an issue for DF, not the sort of thing I'd really expect on this game.
I'm waiting for the inevitable post where somebody says what a BEAST the Pro is but it will surely be just as bland and meaningless as when people say it about the X.
I'm waiting for the inevitable post where somebody says what a BEAST the Pro is but it will surely be just as bland and meaningless as when people say it about the X.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Yikes.
Senua
Member
Sometimes.
JareBear: Remastered
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Im really curious to learn if the frame dips/screen tearing is strictly a software issue. Maybe just needs some tweaking in a new patch? The X seems clearly powerful enough to run at locked 60 with some visual upgrades as well
What?
Look at the video, CB looks like garbage and introduces tons of artifacts against dynamic res, it is not the Image quality saviour Sony fans made it out to be. The Pro would probably better off just using straight Dynamic res
VisualFidelity
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Im guessing optimization issues. Titanfall 2 all over again? That dynamic scaler should be dropping the res when needed
Performance is interesting. Seems like this game was developed on a PS4 dev kit and ported over to Xbox. Even the regular PS4 did a better job sustaining 60fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kkpItKDpA
Turning up the image quality was probably easy to do rather than spending time (and money) dialing in the performance.
Turning up the image quality was probably easy to do rather than spending time (and money) dialing in the performance.
Unknown?
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Of course! They built it with that in mind. I can play WipEout in native or CB 4K and I honestly dont see a difference on my TV. Maybe if it was larger and zoomed in? CB isnt a huge difference and the difference can be seen with a keen eye but it still looks fantastic.
I think there is some misunderstanding here.
Checkerboard rendering isn't garbage at all and as DF say they thought it worked really well in this particular game. Obviously if you zoom in 300% or 400% then you are going to notice artefacts but as DF said on their original article, you're just not going to notice it in general play.
Also, checker-boarding is not a Sony thing, it's used by both consoles and also on PC. If it's something that you think is garbage then you're going to be disappointed to hear that solutions like checker-boarding or sparse-rendering as Microsoft call it is going to become far more common moving forwards on all the major platforms.
Variety = 2, one of which only showed a 1=2 fps drop in some cases from 60FPS. Woopdee do
Unknown?
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Lol youre just spewing pure nonsense, not even DF share those sentiments.
I can directly compare WipEout in native 2160p and 2160c, and theres no noticeable difference other than the motion blur at speed.
rokkerkory
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Dymanic scaling is to keep fps rock solid. Something is off here.
Which is why EVERYTIME we see CB go up against native or even plain dynamic res for the same game CB looks worse and introduces alot of artifacts. Sure
Of course, it's safe to say whatever you feel you want to say.
But as a gamer who plays game that you all sorts of solutions including checker-boarding/sparse-rendering and who also respects Digital Foundry enough to listen to them when they repeatedly state that it's not a garbage solution with even having John Linneman visit places such as this and directly respond to people have such things.
You may not like the process and you have every right not to like it and I would have no interest in changing your mind about that at all but you not liking something is not the same as something being garbage.
There's nothing wrong with you not liking the process but it doesn't require your endorsement for the technical community, gamers and the game creators to consider it to be otherwise.
EDIT:
I'll say no more then.
Of course, it's safe to say whatever you feel you want to say.
But as a gamer who plays game that you all sorts of solutions including checker-boarding/sparse-rendering and who also respects Digital Foundry enough to listen to them when they repeatedly state that it's not a garbage solution with even having John Linneman visit places such as this and directly respond to people have such things.
You may not like the process and you have every right not to like it and I would have no interest in changing your mind about that at all but you not liking something is not the same as something being garbage.
There's nothing wrong with you not liking the process but it doesn't require your endorsement for the technical community, gamers and the game creators to consider it to be otherwise.
I'll say no more then.
The videos speak for themselves, CB IQ suffers when compared to even dynamic res and also tends to be more work for the Dev.
thelastword
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So CB is nigh on indistingusihable from native 4k from any gamers POV. CB is really impressive and it's what I'm kinda baffled SONY does not demand that devs use it as opposed to 1440p.
It's kinda laughable that Bierton did a 200% zoom on a soldiers face to see very little in distinguishable detail. If anything, CB is this gen's GOAT, just wish more devs would use it.
As for what matters most, performance...PRO is yet again on top. I've seen so many games now where MS has a higher resolution, but it comes at a cost to performance. Perhaps devs are trying to outshoot XBONEX's strength a little too far on the rez side and hence the results. The Xbonex version is supposed to have a dynamic scaler, but there are constant drops, even to the 40's with tearing. This means that if there was no tearing, the drops would be even more severe.....
So here again, we have seen, tearing with drops on the XBONEX, just like in FFF15, Halo Wars 2 etc..
I'll say this, I will take CB and a perfect 60fps every single day over tearing and framedrops, as opposed to saying your game does native 4k at some point during the game, not even consistently. Perhaps, DF could give us some info on what the average rez is like on XBONEX as opposed to just saying it's 4k....or maybe, we will have to wait on VGtech for that....
I agree with Spencer though, framerate is king....Yet, the victories PS4 had over XBOX ONE was not only in rez, but twofold, performance and... rez, and in some select titles, better graphical effects as well. So perhaps the XBONEX would be better served at 1620p or 1800p when PRO is 1440p or 2160CB....
It's kinda laughable that Bierton did a 200% zoom on a soldiers face to see very little in distinguishable detail. If anything, CB is this gen's GOAT, just wish more devs would use it.
As for what matters most, performance...PRO is yet again on top. I've seen so many games now where MS has a higher resolution, but it comes at a cost to performance. Perhaps devs are trying to outshoot XBONEX's strength a little too far on the rez side and hence the results. The Xbonex version is supposed to have a dynamic scaler, but there are constant drops, even to the 40's with tearing. This means that if there was no tearing, the drops would be even more severe.....
So here again, we have seen, tearing with drops on the XBONEX, just like in FFF15, Halo Wars 2 etc..
I'll say this, I will take CB and a perfect 60fps every single day over tearing and framedrops, as opposed to saying your game does native 4k at some point during the game, not even consistently. Perhaps, DF could give us some info on what the average rez is like on XBONEX as opposed to just saying it's 4k....or maybe, we will have to wait on VGtech for that....
I agree with Spencer though, framerate is king....Yet, the victories PS4 had over XBOX ONE was not only in rez, but twofold, performance and... rez, and in some select titles, better graphical effects as well. So perhaps the XBONEX would be better served at 1620p or 1800p when PRO is 1440p or 2160CB....
bug? patch incoming I suspect
Unknown?
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Another fantastic technique is temporal injection used in Ratchet and Clank and the upcoming Spider-Man. Insomniac really knows how to knock it out of the park in this aspect.Of course, it's safe to say whatever you feel you want to say.
But as a gamer who plays game that you all sorts of solutions including checker-boarding/sparse-rendering and who also respects Digital Foundry enough to listen to them when they repeatedly state that it's not a garbage solution with even having John Linneman visit places such as this and directly respond to people have such things.
You may not like the process and you have every right not to like it and I would have no interest in changing your mind about that at all but you not liking something is not the same as something being garbage.
There's nothing wrong with you not liking the process but it doesn't require your endorsement for the technical community, gamers and the game creators to consider it to be otherwise.
EDIT:
I'll say no more then.
Very compelling! Thanks for your insight.
kingbean
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Ho ho, funny man.
Yeah Ratchet and Clank 2016 still stands imo as the cleanest looking title I've played on console. IDtech 6 has some baller ass AA too.
I wouldn't doubt it. Fix probably wouldn't get much attention though. Titanfall 2 got its patch, but as usual positive XB news tends to have a short front page life.
Pic courtesy of TBiddy
The fact these frame dip issues have happened on multiple X1X titles and are easily fixed with a patch speaks to recent changes in the development kit. The SDK for XB1 wasn't finalized until October, the huge XB1 Fall update came out and immediately got a couple patches.
Unless the developer is "lazy", all these games with issues will end up patched quickly like Titanfall 2, retaining all the improvements and making the framerate rock solid.
Zero doubt in my mind.
Sosokrates
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No we are not the only title this has happened is battlefront 2, and that was only 1-3fps.the majority of titles see better performance on the X
So for me the PS4 pro version is superior. That being said, Xbox one x could do the same thing as the PS4 version, with added affects but developers didn't go that route.
If the Xbox doesn't take the win, and the Xbox One X popularity tapers off, devs will spend even less energy and effort optimizing titles for it.
If that is the case I hope the just make it the same as the PS4 pro version with a smoother experience.
Also... Dynamic has never been called native before. Why start now?
If the Xbox doesn't take the win, and the Xbox One X popularity tapers off, devs will spend even less energy and effort optimizing titles for it.
If that is the case I hope the just make it the same as the PS4 pro version with a smoother experience.
Also... Dynamic has never been called native before. Why start now?
TheAdmiester
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Why does it seem like you're flanderizing yourself more and more with each post?
Christocolus
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Hope they patch it up soon... reminds me of the issues with TF2. Respawn patched that up pretty quick.
grfunkulus
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I guess you didnt watch or listen to the video. DF was clearly disappointed with Xs dynamic resolution solution, and remarked that the artifacts were hardly noticeable.
Granted, as others have said, the disapointment could be washed away in a day or two with a patch. Doesnt change the fact that youre 100% wrong in pointing to IW on Pro as a case where checkboarding is not the ideal solution. I would argue that its one of the most impressive implementations and allocation of resources yet on either platform.
Now, if you were to point to BO3 on Pro as a game where the checkboarding fell down youd be right (that game hardly looks better CBd than the 1080p mode...wouldve been much better served with slight resolution bump rather than that sloppy implementation...a real bummer because BO3 is the better game).
Did you even watch the actual comparisons? CB looked like complete ass in comparison
grfunkulus
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Youre clearly blind. And yes, on a 4K oled thanks very much.
Please take your agenda elsewhere. You cannot recognize when youve overwhelmingly been proven wrong. Good day
Malcolm9
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I'm looking forward to this place getting more mods, especially with the amount of crap you spew out.
Nothing wrong with being positive about the X and it's performance, but the way you constantly have a hate hard-on over Sony is quite funny.
It's the only thing he ever posts about. You'd think he was crapgamer or something
Malcolm9
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The site just loses credibility when you see his insane drivel in all the comparison threads, it's like he's been hiding under a rock in a rage and now the site is lacking mods he's on a personal Sony hate crusade, it's quite laughable.
MaximusPayne
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Que the same crowd that was in the pre patched Titanfall enhancement.
This game should not be dropping from 60.
This game should not be dropping from 60.