nowhat
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If would seem less dumb if you were able to articulate how deep learning will be important. Please, do elaborate.
Because, paraphrasing from /r/programmerhumor, what people call AI I call an "if"-statement.
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Rumor: Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019
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Because, paraphrasing from /r/programmerhumor, what people call AI I call an "if"-statement.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I mean, supporting DXR is easy through DXR Fallback. In that way, a console could easily support raytracing. I even think its logical to do so now that the DXR API exists.
Performance wise however is still at the hands of programmers: It will have to run on the GCN cores which aren't optimized for this thing but who knows. The fact that there is an API is already a difference. But dedicated cores? I highly doubt that.
So DXR Fallback i can understand, and even Vulkan Raytracing if there is a DirectCompute based fallback layer for that, but dedicated HW? Nah.
McHuj
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2020, I'm still stuck in 2018.
I think people are focusing on NVME incorrectly. The leak say NVME SSD 1GB/sec.
Most NVME drives have quoted speeds of 3-4 GB/sec. If the leak is true, this would imply something above m.2 sata (550MB/sec), but far below industry standard now for NVME drives.
Potato Chip PRO
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Perhaps this could be the PREMIUM version of the Nextbox? There are people who are willing to shed $600 for a console.
nowhat
Member
Oh yeah, PS3 was a huge hit on release.
joe_zazen
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I think the important part is the use of of pcie features that sataiii just cannot match. Also, that speed could be for simultaneous read and write.
If it is a vital compnent to their long term strategy, you easily make a business case.
ethomaz
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1TB SDD? Unless the machine is $500 again... no way.
NVMe is the interface to reach SSD like Samsung 950 Pro full speeds (>600Gbps).
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Silent Viper
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Pr
Prices go down genius
JareBear: Remastered
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That seems like a solid possibility. I forgot about the multiple SKU approach
ethomaz
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DDR and GDDR are complete different memory type.
DDR4 is what you have on PC for system memory.
GDDR5, GDDR5X and GDDDR6 is what you have on PC for graphic memory.
Neither GDDR5 was a bold more on PS4 (8GB was a bold move because the density was not being sold for GDDR5 yet) or GDDR6 is a bold move today... it is common and what most expect to be used.
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ethomaz
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I can't see any next-gen console having more than that with a 256bits bus.
JareBear: Remastered
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16gb is more than enough
Imtjnotu
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Wait since when?! I haven't heard of this happening
TeamGhobad
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doesn't xbox one x have a 384bit bus?
ethomaz
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I don't think next-gen consoles will use an expensive bus.... 256bits is enough.
With 384bits you could have 24GB GDDR6 but that is too much.
That makes it expensive.
I'm not sure what people are thinking here but next-gen consoles will be launched at $399 price point... at least Sony... now if MS tries to go on the $499 route again.
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Imtjnotu
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But the one x has 384......
xet72
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Looks reality based except the 1tb ssd. I think it'll be a 256gb ssd paired with a 1tb 5400 HD thru StoreMI. I have used StoreMI on my 2600x pairing a 512 Samsung Evo sata SSD and a 2tb drive and it's great. Tried w/ my new NVME 1tb Samsung Evo 970 and StoreMI is "no bueno" pairing nvme and HD. StoreMi 2.0 on Zen 2 w/ X570 chipsets will likely solve the corrupt drives that one experiences if computer crashes during nvme writing. A StoreMi 3.0 256gb nvme + 1tb would would offer near same performance as 1tb nvme SSD at fraction of the cost. I'd imagine w/ Microsoft's pull they could snag 256gb nvme drives at around $10 or less by time next Xbone. Hell we can get them for newegg now at $30 now.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...LC-_-na-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16820331230&cm_sp=
I'd think both Microsoft and Sony would be insane not to add $10 to build and work a StoreMi 3.0 solution.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...LC-_-na-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16820331230&cm_sp=
I'd think both Microsoft and Sony would be insane not to add $10 to build and work a StoreMi 3.0 solution.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
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Obviously nothing is set in stone and especially NOT an official spec list from MS.
By the time they put together X2 for mass production in 2 years or so parts will be hella cheaper than what you see in todays market.
iconmaster
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I won't believe any of this until it's backed up by a Hellpoint dev.
nowhat
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I think they'd be insane not to make their own solution. As a "drag-and-drop" kind of thing StoreMi (and similar solutions) are great, sure. But what gets stored on the SSD portion is still not up to the OS/game, but based on heuristics.
Having manual control on what gets stored (and/or transferred to, when starting a game) in the SSD portion would be godsend for developers trying to squeeze the last bit of performance out of a fixed hardware target. Yes, there's another layer of manual memory management involved - well, the developers do that already and they're bloody good at it. A little added complexity for a guaranteed worst-case scenario (which cannot be guaranteed with StoreMi et al.) is a trade-off many developers would take without any hesitation.
TeamGhobad
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MS is definitely going with 499 system maybe even sony. there is no reason to go 399, inflation, people have money, supply and demand ect ect. i believe MS will even sell at a loss. 384 bit bus is a must u dont downgrade going next gen. hell it might even be a 512 bit bus who knows.
JohnnyFootball
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No way a 1TB NVME SSD is included. Wayyyyyyy too much cost. Now I’d like to see them keep it as expansion option since 2TB drives have been as low as $250.
Jigsaah
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No way they do that after GDC 2019 for less than $500. Are they saying it will release in 2019? GDC is in frickin March. No way they are ready for this in Holday 2019 with this kinda tech for less than $600. I was gonna buy the Anaconda, but with these specs, if true, it may just be out of budget for me.
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. "
Example: Teach Xbox how to create textures , objects & so on & the games will become a lot smaller.
JareBear: Remastered
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Anubis, Scarlett, Anaconda, Lockhart what else did I miss?
Them rumor mills are doing overtime, then again the latest rumor is something about 4 consoles, yeah?
Only thing you missed is:
“ “ - Hellpoint Dev
Thiagosc777
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That's not how it works.
HeisenbergFX4
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That could be why they said no Forza for 2019 and Forza 7 reworked for 2020 which screamed NextBox launch title to me anyhow.
Reworking it to have full ray tracing?
Reworking it to have full ray tracing?
Imtjnotu
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As stated earlier. Let's wait for hell point to confirmAnubis, Scarlett, Anaconda, Lockhart what else did I miss?
Them rumor mills are doing overtime
JareBear: Remastered
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Great minds think alike
ethomaz
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$499 is a big mistake in past... it still is today.
I hope MS leaned that lesson with XB1.
BTW you already have a faster memory so you don't need bigger bus... bigger bus is when you want to use the same slow memory to reach high speeds.
RTX 2080 uses 256bits with GDDR6... no next-gen console will have RTX 2080 power level.
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nowhat
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I prefer the Terry Pratchett version: "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
What you're describing is akin to procedural generation - which, yes, is a very useful tool. The original Elite (made in the 80s for you younguns) being a prime example. It can drastically reduce the file size, sure; take NMS as an example, the size of the game (as in bytes) is tiny but the gameworld is huge (and with later additions, a tiny bit of fun too!).
But that's what's already being done. You're still not articulating how "deep learning" will be the saviour of the next generation.
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SonGoku
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What strategy is that? and what makes it vital?
I'll give you a hint: Its fake news
These are $500 consoles we are talking about not $10000 deep learning servers
Nvme its a poor investment for gaming, a beefier GPU or memory will yield much more noticeable results in gaming.
Its also fake so...
Why not use a 950 Pro then? cheaper and more capacity
Im sorry but this screams of fake
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cryptoadam
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You know what, regardless of the specs it will be as powerful as close to top tier card that year and by 1 or 2 years into its life cycle its power will be equivalent to a mid-tier card.
Thats pretty much what happened with the last 2 gens. The consoles being dedicated boxes are able to get close to top card (but not the highest level graphic cards) but they get quickly surpassed.
Thats pretty much what happened with the last 2 gens. The consoles being dedicated boxes are able to get close to top card (but not the highest level graphic cards) but they get quickly surpassed.
Yes it is
mckmas8808
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That's how much it'll cost to make this console.
That's not bad if it's all usable RAM.
Mista
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I don't think MS will sell it with this price. Believe me they aren't stupid to repeat the PS3 mistake
Thiagosc777
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No, it isn't. The software can't create a game. It can only fill the gaps based on existent data. It won't replace artists.
joe_zazen
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If super efficient, superfast memory subsystem is part of their streaming initiative, then it is vital.
I am operating on the assumption that a genuine leaker has verified this particular info, and now i am trying to see what the implications are. So far, universal nvme looks pretty cool; just like the jump from running games from disc to running them from hdd made games better...well except for install from disc times.
nowhat
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Which mistake would that be? At $599 PS3 was still making a net loss (initially) with every console sold. It almost bankrupted the company. Now, MS (the whole company) sure has cash to burn. But the shareholders wouldn't be too happy if the gaming division started bleeding money like there's no tomorrow.
Mista
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Exactly, thats why I don't think they'll sell their new console with a high price. I still believe the new console will be shockingly less than what everyone expects. At the end thats just how I feel they'll approach the new gen
joe_zazen
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It is the board that matters, and it would take a lot to dislodge them. If they see an opportunity to stranglehold gaming like netflix and amazon via 5 years of losses, they will do it and sharholders will be fine with azure/windows/office monies.
SonGoku
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Well you are under the wrong assumption, this isnt verified by any metric
Its a dime a dozen rumor as credible as the one which claims PS5 to have 6TB SSD.
Nvme benefits are not worth the sacrifices other components will have to incur.
A much more sensible solution its a hybrid system that has built in fast memory (say 100gb for arguments sake) that acts as a cache for games
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nowhat
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That would be wise, sure. Probable even. But at a non-high price, it will not include a 1TB SSD, let alone an NVMe one.
Mista
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True, thats why I have a feeling that MS will shock everybody with a low price. But if they went 550-600 its understandable
TeamGhobad
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in terms of inflations i dont see 499 being that much for the anaconda. u always have the lockhart for 250
A.Romero
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What devices or components have GDDR6 today? Graphics card. What cards have 16GB memory? Maybe the Quadro line? And for how much? I think pricing would be prohibitive.
16GDDR doesn't seem possible today but as I said, it could go either way in that regard.
I hope is true, though. It would be a beast of a machine but up until this point it sounds more like a pipe dream than anything else.
Thanks for the correction about GDDR and DDR, though.
TeamGhobad
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u know MS likes to add a bigger and slower OS in every new generation of xbox..
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