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PS5 Pro devkits arrive at third-party studios, Sony expects Pro specs to leak

Mr.Phoenix

Member
This. It would really tick off your fanbase. Only way around it would be to continue making games for Series consoles. Which would make the entire thing pointless.
Call me crazy, but wasn't the whole point of calling this current generation of Xbox consoles "Series" all because it was supposed to be iterative? Like we have two variants of Xboxes, the s and X, and they could make updates on either one as they saw fit. Like releasing a new phone or new laptop.

So we could have a Series X 2.0, or Version 2 or 2024...etc./ Unless I got it all wrong and them calling it Series whatever was just bad naming.
It worked for the X360. They are just going back to well because they have run out of ideas. Series S failed miserably and winning the tflops wars didnt do them any favor.

They can either focus on releasing quality exclusives slowly earning back the trust and accumulating goodwill or pull off another gimmick to win quickly. they will do the latter.
Did it work though? unless they are completely delusional, they should know that their success with the 360 wasn't about them doing something right but was Sony having done so much wrong. Even with releasing first, 360 only managed around 5M sales globally after its first year before the PS3's expensive and staggered release.

Anyways, I think them releasing a new console, that would be on the market for 2 years before the PS6 is released, would be the stupidest thing they can do. If this gen has taught us anything, its that everything released would be cross-gen, so it would be released on the XSXv2, XSX/S, PS5pro, PS5. So no one would even see or recognize the new Xbox console as a new generation.

I mean.... they cant be that stupid.
 
I would jump at a new console from Microsoft in 2025, but I'm also definitely going to jump on a PS5 Pro whenever it arrives, I'm an enthusiast. I think with Microsoft's focus on their games running on PC's and in a VM layer on the Xbox new hardware is much easier for them (also why Backwards compatibility works better on Xbox). I could see them trying to catch fire like they did with the 360 coming out before the PS3. If they did this then they would need to come guns blazing with a massive first year of launch games and full BC working out of the gate.
 
I still think it's a dumb decision to spend PC prices on hardware over the course of a gen for console-priced software, but how people want to blow their money is not my concern.

Team $750+

It sounds like you almost "want" it to cost that much, than what is, to vent your "feelings". Would you be offended too if this costs just as much as the base PS5, i.e. $500, just like PS4 Pro cost as much as the base PS4 at launch, $400?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Call me crazy, but wasn't the whole point of calling this current generation of Xbox consoles "Series" all because it was supposed to be iterative? Like we have two variants of Xboxes, the s and X, and they could make updates on either one as they saw fit. Like releasing a new phone or new laptop.

So we could have a Series X 2.0, or Version 2 or 2024...etc./ Unless I got it all wrong and them calling it Series whatever was just bad naming.

Did it work though? unless they are completely delusional, they should know that their success with the 360 wasn't about them doing something right but was Sony having done so much wrong. Even with releasing first, 360 only managed around 5M sales globally after its first year before the PS3's expensive and staggered release.

Anyways, I think them releasing a new console, that would be on the market for 2 years before the PS6 is released, would be the stupidest thing they can do. If this gen has taught us anything, its that everything released would be cross-gen, so it would be released on the XSXv2, XSX/S, PS5pro, PS5. So no one would even see or recognize the new Xbox console as a new generation.

I mean.... they cant be that stupid.
Of course they took the wrong lessons from it. This is Microsoft. They saw that they finally had the hardcore thanks to games and decided to go chase the Wii audience and then the tv audience instead.

They will not have exclusivity on third party games like they did with mass effect, bioshock, oblivion, gears of war etc. this time around but they will not care.
 
The first ps5 pro multiplatform game that out performs the next-gen xbox would be a PR disaster Microsoft should avoid that at all cost, a 2027 launch would make more sense because by then not only will the technology be good enough for a generational leap but there would be an appetite for a new generation I just don't see people flocking to get a new xbox in 2025 like they did in 2020 it's just too soon I wish they would just do a mid-gen refresh and faze out the S will dropping the price permanently on the X. What was the point in losing $ on two models? They should've subsidized the X from the start it could've sold enough units and recouped losses by now it's why I always say Phil has to go he's done more for the playstation brand then Jim Ryan by not being competitive.
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
I mean...can we even call that next gen in 2025? 5 year gens make no sense nowadays. By 2025 most of their announced games for Xbox Series S and X will start releasing. Starting a new gen by 2025 means all those games will have to work on a crappy Series S...sounds like a mess. But i'm here for whatever happens.


Also next gen in 2025, and just miss any tech advances between 2025-2027.

Like how all PS5, Series console chips were finalized in 2019, a year before release.

So a next gen Xbox chip is possibly finalized in 2024?

....its almost as bad as thinking a console in 2020 (XSX) equals a mid gen refresh....

It's a bold move. Good luck.
 
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NEbeast

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3 years? fucking mugs are the market for this
keeping up with the kardashians peasant GIF
 

ProtoByte

Member
Then you know they are going to make it.
But seriously though, that would be sales suicide. They're introducing a third console into the development equation, that's going to confuse the situation even more than a refresh would. They're either going to alienate a bunch of current XB series buyers by making next gen exclusives when this gen hasn't worked up a full lather even by Microsoft standards; or have literally no one buy or be interested in the machine because everything, especially third parties, is still on the previous gen of both Xbox and PlayStation.

On top of that, the baseline PS6 will be significantly more powerful than their next gen console that they'll be stuck with for who knows how long.
 
The PS5 Pro is pointless, there aren’t enough PS5 exclusive games to make it make sense especially first party games but GTA 6 will move consoles like crazy and it’s a easy excuse for Sony to sell people a new console before the new gen starts.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The PS5 Pro is pointless, there aren’t enough PS5 exclusive games to make it make sense especially first party games but GTA 6 will move consoles like crazy and it’s a easy excuse for Sony to sell people a new console before the new gen starts.
i played titanfall 2, battlefield 1, ff16, rattchet and the last guardian on my ps4 pro the first two months after i bought it.

The ps5 pro will improve all games.
 
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bitbydeath

Gold Member
Also next gen in 2025, and just miss any tech advances between 2025-2027.

Like how all PS5, Series console chips were finalized in 2019, a year before release.

So a next gen Xbox chip is possibly finalized in 2024?

....its almost as bad as thinking a console in 2020 (XSX) equals a mid gen refresh....

It's a bold move. Good luck.
If they’re going through with what was leaked earlier this year their next console will be a < $99 GamePass streaming box.


They won’t need tech advances.
 
It’s the only reason I would buy a pro.

Sony pretty much knows people will buy a pro just to play the best version of GTA 6 when it releases, which is why it will happen.

Watch them bundle GTA6 with it lol
There will be people rioting for a PS5 Pro / GTA6 bundle and you can lump me in with the disorderly mob.

I don't yet have a PS5 and this game would be a system seller for me. Bonus if they include a Red Dead Redemption 2 remaster.
 
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Bernardougf

Gold Member
I dont even like MS but damn people really like to see them going head to head and loose to sony... they done it two gens in a row now and people want to see a third bloodbath.

Anyway I think a next gen console by MS with all the bells and wistles, no more series s bullshit, good launch window games 1-2 years earlier than the Ps6 would be good for them.. time to step aside and stop to try beat sony.. they have to do their own thing.. have a console launching on their terms without direct (launch window) competition and see what happens ... IT WORKED for the 360 after the big success of the ps2 ..now they have to change many other things to work again but it can be done I think.

Having all big 3 doing their own things, on their own time, without this "im going to kill you" mentality .. would be great.. this would be the "healthy competition" people talk about.

Right now nintendo do their thing, sony do theirs, and MS is chasing sonys tale trying to catch it somehow.
 
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I dont even like MS but damn people really like to see them going head to head and loose to sony... they done it two gens in a row now and people want to see a third bloodbath.

Anyway I think a next gen console by MS with all the bells and wistles, no more series s bullshit, good launch window games 1-2 years earlier than the Ps6 would be good for them.. time to step aside and stop to try beat sony.. they have to do their own thing.. have a console launching on their terms without direct (launch window) competition and see what happens ... IT WORKED for the 360 after the big success of the ps2 ..now they have to change many other things to work again but it can be done I think.

Sony shot themselves in the foot and there's a heap of articles explaining the missteps with PS. It's the only reason the 360 had that amazing start out of the gate.

All things being equal the PS3 would have had a better start as they had the larger fanbase.

I guess creating a stupidly difficult platform to code for was a painful lesson Sony learned during the PS360 Era. That and Mr Ken 'Get Two Jobs' Kutaragi flapping his gums pissing off half the PS userbase 😂😂😂
 
I can think of 5 or 6 games right now that will greatly benefit from a Pro.

Most of the PS5 only games run at 60 FPS. Can’t think of anymore improvements we would see. 4K? Maybe ray tracing, but that all depends on how expensive the PS5 pro will end up being.

The PS5 and Series X had a rocky start, a lot of the early games were cross gen so I feel like they haven’t really tapped into to what these consoles can do, so I can’t help but think a pro console is just a cash grab.

i played titanfall 2, battlefield 1, ff16, rattchet and the last guardian on my ps4 pro the first two months after i bought it.

The ps5 pro will improve all games.

The ps4 and Xbox one were very underpowered when they launched, they didn’t even have 4K support which is why the ps4 pro and One X happened. It’s a different situation imo, because older games like the ones you mention should be able to do 60 fps on the current consoles.

Let’s be real GTA 6 is Sonys excuse to sell people a pro console that probably isn’t needed.
 
I think the Series X refresh has been scrapped and they are shooting for a 2025 next gen jump start

I would ALMOST bet all in on this

Man, 2025 mid-gen iterative console answer to the PS5 Pro is normal like the One X coming one year after PS4 Pro, but a whole ass next gen Xbox in 2025 is fucking wild.

This is gonna fuck up the timeframe of mainstream consoles, where Nintendo launches theirs halfway through a gen already. Also, affects gamedev too.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The ps4 and Xbox one were very underpowered when they launched, they didn’t even have 4K support which is why the ps4 pro and One X happened. It’s a different situation imo, because older games like the ones you mention should be able to do 60 fps on the current consoles.

Let’s be real GTA 6 is Sonys excuse to sell people a pro console that probably isn’t needed.
I disagree. Whats happened this gen is not the same as last gen sure. However, with the advent of 60 fps literally becoming the norm even for the latest UE5 games, more and more people are playing games at 60 fps. Problem is that they are playing them at 720p... PS360 era resolutions. This aint 2005 and 4k tvs make 720p look way worse than 1080p tvs did.

FF16, Immortals, lords of the fallen, AW2 all have DRS that drop to 720p. Immortals shipped with 720p locked though they have since patched it to 900p with drops to 50s. FF16 locks ALL combat encounters to 720p. AW2's 30 fps mode is a fucking shimmering disaster. forget the 60 fps mode.

This is something that needs to be fixed. They need to get these 60 fps modes up to 1080p minimum and have a dlss quality upscaling solution on top of that.

Now a 14 tflops console wont double the resolution, but if they get 17-18 tflops with some rt imrpovements, ai upscaling and other IPC gains, then they just might be able to offer 2x performance improvements with way better image quality.
 
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Crayon

Member
Maybe but what if they could possibly get that new machine out in time for GTA6 and be clearly the best place to play it

And this is 100% me just thinking out loud.

Then it's not going to be much better at all then a PS5 pro. The only way would be if they fired all their engineers and get what they pay for out of the $700 bom this time.
 

Daneel Elijah

Gold Member
I dont even like MS but damn people really like to see them going head to head and loose to sony... they done it two gens in a row now and people want to see a third bloodbath.

Anyway I think a next gen console by MS with all the bells and wistles, no more series s bullshit, good launch window games 1-2 years earlier than the Ps6 would be good for them.. time to step aside and stop to try beat sony.. they have to do their own thing.. have a console launching on their terms without direct (launch window) competition and see what happens ... IT WORKED for the 360 after the big success of the ps2 ..now they have to change many other things to work again but it can be done I think.

Having all big 3 doing their own things, on their own time, without this "im going to kill you" mentality .. would be great.. this would be the "healthy competition" people talk about.

Right now nintendo do their thing, sony do theirs, and MS is chasing sonys tale trying to catch it somehow.
The problem with that is that the console market is not the phone market. You can't just launch whatever you want when you want and expect great success as if it was obvious that Xbox should be doing this and was wrong for not doing it sooner. IF Microsoft wanted to differenciate themselves in the hardware side, they would have done like Apple and created their own tech, or allied with Intel for example. They have the money. Sony tried it for the Cell, and failed. The PS4 and Xbox One launched the same year because both companies wanted to serve the same market, and Sony simply got a really better offer. And that's before even talking about Xbox always online nonsense. For this gen, Xbox wanted to not make the same mistake, and commited heavily to not be beaten on price or performance by Sony. They even tried the Series S/X strategy to make that clear to all consumers. With the results that we can see.
If Xbox tried to go early for this gen, do you think that it would have been better for them or not? I think that it would have killed them.
As for a next gen console by for example 2026. They will face a market with 60+ millions PS5, and 5/10 millions Ps5 Pro. AND between 30/40 millions Series consoles. Any game made for it would have to work on the Series S, or face lawsuits, or abandon both Series consoles, and that would be extra dumb. Sony would compete on price easily, and launch their PS6 that will use the time to have way better tech( because that is was Sony is waiting for, a jump like we got from GCN to RDNA2) new tech being affordable like better RAM maybe? And Xbox would be stuck with this. Unless they put a Pro console not long after the PS6. And that would mean a lot of hardware work, just to be early.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The problem with that is that the console market is not the phone market. You can't just launch whatever you want when you want and expect great success as if it was obvious that Xbox should be doing this and was wrong for not doing it sooner. IF Microsoft wanted to differenciate themselves in the hardware side, they would have done like Apple and created their own tech, or allied with Intel for example. They have the money. Sony tried it for the Cell, and failed. The PS4 and Xbox One launched the same year because both companies wanted to serve the same market, and Sony simply got a really better offer. And that's before even talking about Xbox always online nonsense. For this gen, Xbox wanted to not make the same mistake, and commited heavily to not be beaten on price or performance by Sony. They even tried the Series S/X strategy to make that clear to all consumers. With the results that we can see.
If Xbox tried to go early for this gen, do you think that it would have been better for them or not? I think that it would have killed them.
As for a next gen console by for example 2026. They will face a market with 60+ millions PS5, and 5/10 millions Ps5 Pro. AND between 30/40 millions Series consoles. Any game made for it would have to work on the Series S, or face lawsuits, or abandon both Series consoles, and that would be extra dumb. Sony would compete on price easily, and launch their PS6 that will use the time to have way better tech( because that is was Sony is waiting for, a jump like we got from GCN to RDNA2) new tech being affordable like better RAM maybe? And Xbox would be stuck with this. Unless they put a Pro console not long after the PS6. And that would mean a lot of hardware work, just to be early.
1 year earlier and they will be fine. lets say sony decides to wait till 2028 (1 year longer than the last two gens) and MS launches in 2027 they should be fine since thats when a next gen console is traditionally expected from them.

Now 2026? eh. that could go either way. people might be aching for new tech and if MS can get some fancy new AI tech that shows a massive leap over the PS5 Pro then it shouldnt be that hard to market it.

2025 though? its got disaster written all over it. they will be less than 2x more powerful than the ps5 pro at best. likely cost over $200 extra and will be outdated in 2 years if sony decides to release the ps6 by 2027. lets face it, no one will make exclusives for it to take full advantage of 25-30 tflops of whatever they managed to get in that box. games will look like fable and hellblade 2, just run at a higher resolution a la the ps5 pro and people will be like why the fuck is this shit is so much more expensive?
 

Daneel Elijah

Gold Member
1 year earlier and they will be fine. lets say sony decides to wait till 2028 (1 year longer than the last two gens) and MS launches in 2027 they should be fine since thats when a next gen console is traditionally expected from them.

Now 2026? eh. that could go either way. people might be aching for new tech and if MS can get some fancy new AI tech that shows a massive leap over the PS5 Pro then it shouldnt be that hard to market it.

2025 though? its got disaster written all over it. they will be less than 2x more powerful than the ps5 pro at best. likely cost over $200 extra and will be outdated in 2 years if sony decides to release the ps6 by 2027. lets face it, no one will make exclusives for it to take full advantage of 25-30 tflops of whatever they managed to get in that box. games will look like fable and hellblade 2, just run at a higher resolution a la the ps5 pro and people will be like why the fuck is this shit is so much more expensive?
If the Series S/X was launched in 2019, how would that be any better? If they launched in 2021, this would have helped them react better to the PS5 digital edition, the dualsense, and give them the time to overclock their Series X more. But then they would have let Sony alone for one year, and they didn't wanted that. 1 year can mean a lot. But yes, it could work, if they invest in good hardware. 2 or more, and it will be a disaster.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Here is what MS needs to do to win the next gen.

- wait until 2026
- launch one skew only
- heavily subsidize the hardware at $399 and make it a complete monster 40-50tf with 4gb storage, include elite controller, 1yr gamepass free
- Stop releasing games on pc day and date, 2 year delay
- make all Activision, Bethesda, minecraft and all other ip's xbox console exclusive
(Some Activision titles might be hard for few more years than that depending on contracts / what they ageed to, but eventually)

The combination of the above would sell 100 million units.
 
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FingerBang

Member
Here is what MS needs to do to win the next gen.

- wait until 2026
- launch one skew only
- heavily subsidize the hardware at $399 and make it a complete monster 40-50tf with 4gb storage, include elite controller, 1yr gamepass free
- Stop releasing games on pc day and date, 2 year delay
- make all Activision, Bethesda, minecraft and all other ip's xbox console exclusive
(Some Activision titles might be hard for few more years than that depending on contracts / what they ageed to, but eventually)

The combination of the above would sell 100 million units.
Are you Jim Ryan? Cause your plan is basically perfect to make the Xbox division go out of business in a few months.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Are you Jim Ryan? Cause your plan is basically perfect to make the Xbox division go out of business in a few months.

What, the 20 billion they would lose over the first 3 years? It's pocket change to ms.
Better investment than buying Activision.
 
The PS5 Pro is pointless, there aren’t enough PS5 exclusive games to make it make sense especially first party games but GTA 6 will move consoles like crazy and it’s a easy excuse for Sony to sell people a new console before the new gen starts.

Dude, there are plenty of multiplats that struggle to achieve perfect frame rates. Alan Wake 2 performance mode comes to mind. What does exclusive have to do with anything when not every game is running rock solid on base PS5?
 

midnightAI

Member
What, the 20 billion they would lose over the first 3 years? It's pocket change to ms.
Better investment than buying Activision.
They'd lose way more than $20 billion doing that. That would be hardware losses only, not releasing on PC and making all IP's first party only would lose billions also.

Heck, would be cheaper to just give away Series X for free and not bother with more powerful hardware if all you want is userbase. Free console all you need to pay for is gamepass.

Microsoft aren't going to keep bankrolling the XBox division forever.
 
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“The PS5 Pro runs this game in 4K 60fps with tons of RT but every 60 minutes or so you might see a framedrop to 59 fps. So if you want an absolutely stutterfree experience, the 720p Series S version delivers the better experience.”
Never forget that the CPU in the series S is faster than the PS5 which automatically makes the PS5 and any PS to come immediately obsolete.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
They'd lose way more than $20 billion doing that. That would be hardware losses only, not releasing on PC and making all IP's first party only would lose billions also.

Heck, would be cheaper to just give away Series X for free and not bother with more powerful hardware if all you want is userbase. Free console all you need to pay for is gamepass.

Microsoft aren't going to keep bankrolling the XBox division forever.

I dont think they would lose more, the math I have is about 10 billion on the first 50 million consoles, then 10 billion on software.
Don't forget they would see huge increases in xbox software sales and gamepass subs after that first year. It would be a one time cost to get a giant boulder rolling down the hill. I see break even at year 4 as hardware costs drop and momentum swings.
 

Dorfdad

Gold Member
they need to cut all the bs good guy PR that they’re trying to generate come out and say all the next games that we just bought from Activision are exclusive to pc and Xbox going forward put World of Warcraft out on Xbox exclusively,
 

leizzra

Member
The problem with Xbox is not hardware related (well there is XSS but it is manageable) it's software and the execution of their vision for gaming. Launching next Xbox in 2025 or 2026 won't change much I think. I bet that most of the people buying that console would be the people that already have an Xbox Series. This means that Game Pass wont have a proper increase in subs. Only way it would make sens if the console would be very cheap. Lets say a $199-$299 priced consol but with tech of more premium one (so they lose a lot of money on single unit sold). Other way would be a console only for streaming, but this is still too early for that.

Anyway, by doing this I can see a casual gamers buying a new Xbox more likely and thanks to that probably Game Pass too. Still they need to start pouring great games though (but with cheap console it would be less needed I think).

I think they've made some decision too early (like day one releases on GP and PC) and it's hurting Xbox as a console. As the Game Pass is the way to go for them now I think the best thing that they can do is to be more aggressive. Exclusive content for Game Pass would be probably the best way for that. I doeasn't have to be exclusive all the time but more like Game Pass first for two years (but they shouldn't be saying this from the start - scammy but effective). This approach needs a lot of high quality content though. And yes it would've pissed off some people but in the long run I think they would've been ok.
 
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midnightAI

Member
I dont think they would lose more, the math I have is about 10 billion on the first 50 million consoles, then 10 billion on software.
Don't forget they would see huge increases in xbox software sales and gamepass subs after that first year. It would be a one time cost to get a giant boulder rolling down the hill. I see break even at year 4 as hardware costs drop and momentum swings.
The problem is the specs you say costs more than double your initial retail price, so they are losing $400 at least per console, that won't drop too much within the first 3 years and without PC sales you are relying only on gamepass subs. You'd never come close to breaking even, in fact with this model the more consoles you sell the more you lose.
 
I disagree. Whats happened this gen is not the same as last gen sure. However, with the advent of 60 fps literally becoming the norm even for the latest UE5 games, more and more people are playing games at 60 fps. Problem is that they are playing them at 720p... PS360 era resolutions. This aint 2005 and 4k tvs make 720p look way worse than 1080p tvs did.

FF16, Immortals, lords of the fallen, AW2 all have DRS that drop to 720p. Immortals shipped with 720p locked though they have since patched it to 900p with drops to 50s. FF16 locks ALL combat encounters to 720p. AW2's 30 fps mode is a fucking shimmering disaster. forget the 60 fps mode.

This is something that needs to be fixed. They need to get these 60 fps modes up to 1080p minimum and have a dlss quality upscaling solution on top of that.

Now a 14 tflops console wont double the resolution, but if they get 17-18 tflops with some rt imrpovements, ai upscaling and other IPC gains, then they just might be able to offer 2x performance improvements with way better image quality.

Dude, there are plenty of multiplats that struggle to achieve perfect frame rates. Alan Wake 2 performance mode comes to mind. What does exclusive have to do with anything when not every game is running rock solid on base PS5?
The problem isn’t the consoles, it is the devs and publishers rushing games out before they are ready.

If you look at most of the “next gen” games you will notice performance is very inconsistent. Some games run at a rock solid 60 fps at close to 4K even and some run at like 720p 60 fps. IMO it comes down to the ability by the dev team because in most cases even games that launched at only 30 fps, end up getting patched with 60 fps.

My main point is the base consoles can do more but they are just not being utilized correctly because publishers have a “rush the game out and patch it up later mindset”.

A pro console isn’t going to solve all those issues over night, just look at the crap ports being released on PC. Jedi Survivors was a mess at launch even on a 4090.

The idea that a pro console will solve all performance issues is a pipe dream imo, we only had maybe a solid 1 year of “next gen” games and now they are going to release another console probably for like $599 so we can get performance that was promised with the current consoles, idk how people can’t see the scam in that.

Now I could be wrong, maybe the pro releases and all games will run at a rock solid 60-120 fps at 4K but I have a really hard time believing that will be the case.

If the pro does happen I am very curious to see how they market it, what features it will have, etc.

It’s suppose to be a “premium” edition so it should be made for a niche market but I can’t help but think anyone that cares that much about specs/setting options, why wouldn’t they just be on a PC, but apparently “PC is too complicated to use” lol… we will see.
 
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yurinka

Member
I mean...can we even call that next gen in 2025? 5 year gens make no sense nowadays. By 2025 most of their announced games for Xbox Series S and X will start releasing. Starting a new gen by 2025 means all those games will have to work on a crappy Series S...sounds like a mess. But i'm here for whatever happens.
Nah, whatever Sony and MS may release in 2024-2025 would be mid gen refreshes: basically the same hardware with some extra clock and some extra tweaks.

Next gen will start in 2027 (maybe 2028), once Sony says so with the PS6 release.

still don't understand why the gpu clock is only 2 Ghz which is slower than ps5 in the leak?
Maybe the info is wrong, maybe Cerny has some secret sauce to get more performance with less CPU clock.

As an example, they may outsource a lot of GPU power by having some dedicated chip for RT/RTGI which would handle everything lighting related. And on top of that, to have some other chip to handle cutting edge AI based new super sample type, allowing them render the games at a way lower resolution. Both things combined could free a lot of GPU horsepower, which could be dedicated to do certain CPU tasks.
 
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I have to say that while Microsoft did roll out the Xbox 360 all those years ago in a bid to get their foot in the door ahead of PlayStation and grow their market, this feels similar.

They are clearly struggling with moving units at a significant enough clip to get a leg up on PlayStation, particularly in the UK. Even the price cuts didn't seem to make that much of a difference.

Jump starting on next-gen kind of reeks of a desperation flail, made all the weirder when we know PlayStation won't make the same mistakes they made with PS3 in a harder to develop for, very pricey main system once they come out with the PS6 probably..a year later?
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
The problem is the specs you say costs more than double your initial retail price, so they are losing $400 at least per console, that won't drop too much within the first 3 years and without PC sales you are relying only on gamepass subs. You'd never come close to breaking even, in fact with this model the more consoles you sell the more you lose.

Tough to pinpoint exact costs when you are ordering 50 million units, seriously doubt they would lose more than $200 US per console.
And as far as the more you sell, the more you "lose" this has been the way consoles have sold for many generations, as loss leaders. They lose money on hardware to make money on software.
In this particular case, I would contend they take a one time extra loss to recapture minds and market share from compeitors. Once you aquire a customer that has a lot of long term value you are putting zero on.
Perhaps they lose money the whole next gen, but you can bet thier machine after that would already have a leg up to succeed with a much larger user base. Of course nothing is guaranteed, and you could say "just make better games" but they have already gone that route and thrown lots of money at it, way more than what I am suggesting here. Some with success, some not.
 
I disagree. Whats happened this gen is not the same as last gen sure. However, with the advent of 60 fps literally becoming the norm even for the latest UE5 games, more and more people are playing games at 60 fps. Problem is that they are playing them at 720p... PS360 era resolutions. This aint 2005 and 4k tvs make 720p look way worse than 1080p tvs did.

FF16, Immortals, lords of the fallen, AW2 all have DRS that drop to 720p. Immortals shipped with 720p locked though they have since patched it to 900p with drops to 50s. FF16 locks ALL combat encounters to 720p. AW2's 30 fps mode is a fucking shimmering disaster. forget the 60 fps mode.

This is something that needs to be fixed. They need to get these 60 fps modes up to 1080p minimum and have a dlss quality upscaling solution on top of that.

Now a 14 tflops console wont double the resolution, but if they get 17-18 tflops with some rt imrpovements, ai upscaling and other IPC gains, then they just might be able to offer 2x performance improvements with way better image quality.
Don't forget dual issue (that has being improved on RDNA3.5 BTW). I have read Kepler saying consoles should benefit from it much better than PC.
 
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