interesting theory, is there any survey made about this?PS2 sold as a DVD player. Xbox 360 and PS3 sold as streaming and bluray in the case of PS3.
interesting theory, is there any survey made about this?PS2 sold as a DVD player. Xbox 360 and PS3 sold as streaming and bluray in the case of PS3.
All these "console is dying" doom and gloom news started after Microsoft is going third party.
I think you are overreacting here.If Xbox will do well, it will come at cost of Sony. Thats the point. Market is gonna be constant till old generation lasts. It will evaporate rapidly after that.
My guess is 10 yrs from now till deterioration starts. After that it will be all about phones, tablets, pc (if its lucky. Next generation doesn’t hate it for some reason).
A reminder of how fast market can drop, I will refer you to digital camera market after rise of smartphones
Anecdotal evidence, the best kind of evidence.This is exactly what it is. All the twitch streamers or youtubers this kid will watch is using pc. Kids don't want consoles. They want PCs.
My 12 year old is now exclusively PC. I've tried to keep consoles in the house for them but they just collect dust. All of her friends have pcs and they play fortnite/roblox etc on pc and chat on discord or WhatsApp while they play.
Consoles arw dying. They aren't desirable to the next generation of children. They can do their school work and play games on a pc. No avoiding it. I see the data of it for the UK and pc is growing considerably yoy.
It's the typical Gaf-bubble.Anecdotal evidence, the best kind of evidence.
"Every company is thinking about expansion beyond console"
Gaf is living inside a bubble with its limited data set and console war mentality.I think you are overreacting here.
And i think its going to affect PC gaming as well.
Mobile will probably last very long.
It's bizarre that that you're taking the reality of what's happening now and suggesting something else might happen because there are no signs that it won't happen. Where are the signs that it will?Muh Nintendo and Muh Sony are selling 120 million each, isn’t going to mean much if it went out of fashion. There are no signs it won’t happen.
Yeah, I'm not reading this as doom n' gloom. Expanding out from your base doesn't mean the base is going anywhere.
Make sense. His analysis is aligned with what Christopher Dring has said 2 months ago.
Also align with what we have seen in the previous years, what's with Sony and Microsoft now bringing their 1st party exclusive games to PC.
Make sense. His analysis is aligned with what Christopher Dring has said 2 months ago.
Also align with what we have seen in the previous years, what's with Sony and Microsoft now bringing their 1st party exclusive games to PC.
Wait, does the data include mobile phones. Or are you saying it should?
Is the data implying mobile phones are consoles or are you?
Well I am not going to change your mind if you refuses to accept the numbers. Feel free to think so.
No the PS5 actually sold below Sony's expectations in their latest financial report. Sony reduced their sales expectations but even before this the PS5 was on track to sell 108mil lifetime according to Sony last year, this was before they failed to meet their sales targets. The PS4 sold 117mil, the PS5 was always on track to underperform the PS4 but now it's selling worst than those original expectations.
This isnt a PS5 problem this is a console market problem and the Xbox is suffering as much if not more from it.
interesting theory, is there any survey made about this?
something tells me he want a PC just because of some tik tok videos or some of his favorite streamers is using it.
Does he even know how to operate a PC?
# SonyNintendoTooGaf is living inside a bubble with its limited data set and console war mentality.
This is full picture.
Muh Nintendo and Muh Sony are selling 120 million each, isn’t going to mean much if it went out of fashion. There are no signs it won’t happen.
Gaf is living inside a bubble with its limited data set and console war mentality.
This is full picture.
Muh Nintendo and Muh Sony are selling 120 million each, isn’t going to mean much if it went out of fashion. There are no signs it won’t happen.
interesting theory, is there any survey made about this?
Best way to alleviate any fear is to show growth. Growth will mean new customers are coming in, which they are unable to do.It's bizarre that that you're taking the reality of what's happening now and suggesting something else might happen because there are no signs that it won't happen. Where are the signs that it will?
Think about what you're saying here. That's not to say it can't happen, it very well might and there probably is more relevant data out there but what you're doing is like saying there are no signs that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on the wrong side.
Makes sense as newer generation is not much into
if they don't ..they are dead in water. Investors need heavy returns which is not possible on a single platform. They have to expand on every device available
Haven't recent years displayed that there are no new swath of customers on the way?
Gamepass, Apple Arcade and Stadia have all failed.
The mobile crowd doesn't want to play core games, and doesn't want to pay for them.
The subscription attempt (obviously most attributed to Microsoft, but even Sony internally admits this with their more mild PS Plus model) has done nothing to grow the market, just undercut it.
Porting to PC has demonstrably done nothing but weaken Xbox, and it will show to do the same to PlayStation.
Unless there's some type of financial and cultural shift in Asia and Africa, console manufacturers should understand by now that gaming is done with its growth spurt. The market has matured.
With Switch having the potential to surpass PS2 lifetime sales, Sony is not going to put their games on Switch 2.I wouldn't go that far. Sony isn't going to put their games on Xbox. Doesn't have the install base worth it. Switch 2, possibly. Of the three, Microsoft has the biggest need to go full third party. Nintendo will be the last to expand to other platforms.
With Switch having the potential to surpass PS2 lifetime sales, Sony is not going to put their games on Switch 2.
They're going to be direct competitors, each with their own core demographic.
Sony putting games on PC is to expand the Playstation eco-system, knowing PC isn't a threat to their console installbase.
They clearly and repeatedly stated this, even the current people running Playstation.
PC will not be affected until nvidia migrate to only gpu rent model in 5-10 years. After that only cloud(xbox and nvidia) will be options or old pc hw with no updates.I think you are overreacting here.
And i think its going to affect PC gaming as well.
Mobile will probably last very long time.
Sony is fucked on the long term.
PC will not be affected until nvidia migrate to only gpu rent model in 5-10 years. After that only cloud(xbox and nvidia) will be options or old pc hw with no updates.
Nintendo will keep their model until they can.
Sony is fucked on the long term.
PC will not be affected until nvidia migrate to only gpu rent model in 5-10 years. After that only cloud(xbox and nvidia) will be options or old pc hw with no updates.
Nintendo will keep their model until they can.
Sony is fucked on the long term.
All this does, is show that the console-market is stable, just not expanding.
So this entire discussion is another knee-jerk to Xbox dying, resulting in #ConsoleMarketToo after we already had #SonyToo and added #NintendoToo.
PC will not be affected until nvidia migrate to only gpu rent model in 5-10 years. After that only cloud(xbox and nvidia) will be options or old pc hw with no updates.
Nintendo will keep their model until they can.
Sony is fucked on the long term.
Agree with all this. But i guarantee nvidia will not make gpus in 10 years for gaming. Do u want a nvidia gpu? U will need to rent with geforce now.Microsoft is failing with Game Pass
They're behind in cloud gaming.
Their consoles are on the decline.
PlayStation consoles are going strong and they're already ahead when it comes to cloud gaming.
Steam will remain the dominant storefront on PC.
5-6 years ago, Xbox fans said Game Subscriptions would take over and cloud gaming would be the biggest thing in gaming. lol.
Of course because he's a cherry picking idiot that never knows the actual context of his data. His claims in general have nothing to do with the data he uses to support said claims. Dude is just a clueless shill.In usual Mat fashion he seems to have now deleted his tweet.
Yeah, I think the big issue is that unique users aren’t really growing in numbers. The audience for traditional $60-70-80 (depending on your country) titles isn’t growing all that much overall.The problem when combining all the console sales as a unique user vs what one platform peaked at is people by the end of a generation have multiple consoles and only buying a game on 1 platform and possibly only subscribed to 1 sub service at a time. I'd argue a good bunch of those 260 mil ps3/360/wii had multiple consoles, I'm not a huge console guy but I had all 3 of those. Last gen I had 3 ps4's and that's it, this gen i've had 1 ps5 and probably a 2nd once the pro releases.
If we actually had 280 million unique users in the console market the ps4 would have toppled the ps2, I'd expect it to actually be around 170 million unique users. Unfortunately neither of us have access to the data we need to factual prove ourselves right. If we look at those ps3 and ps4 numbers you've got there 35m less people buy an xbone and ps4 sells 27m more and nintendo sell an extra 15m, could make a case that people shifted camps and there were a few million more actual new unique customers.
I don't think roblox is a good example of kids using consoles, i've got no idea how reliable the numbers are I've seen but they are saying it's like 80% mobile, 18% desktop and 2% console and I don't think minecraft would be much different. Will give you fortnite though consoles seem the major patform there.
Sony also closed several studios over the years. Those things happen.The numbers being stable seems to be insufficient when Sony is also laying off lots of people, missing their sales forecast and more, while development cost continue to rise exponentially.
Funny enough Nintendo now seems to be in the safest position among the three, when they faces the most calls to go 3rd party in the last decade or two.
In usual Mat fashion he seems to have now deleted his tweet.
Sony also closed several studios over the years. Those things happen.
That's like the same nonsense as when Playstation was supposedly dying at the start of last-gen.
They still make profits, they have massive revenue and we have absolutely no idea how Sony spends their money.
Their current strategy is to expand beyond their console-business, with the intention to draw in more people into their eco-system and to grow their console installbase.
Missing their forecast doesn't say much yet, as we came from a period of extremely high demand after 2 years of shortages.
Right now, it likely just slowed down to what we typically see around this time during a gen.
That's ignoring the fact that their updated forecast is comparable to roughly 75% of Xbox Series lifetime sales so far.
What it all comes down to, is that just because a certain platform-holder is dying, it doesn't mean that Sony is too. Neither is Nintendo.
Because let's be real, that's what all these discussion are about.
Yeah, I think the big issue is that unique users aren’t really growing in numbers. The audience for traditional $60-70-80 (depending on your country) titles isn’t growing all that much overall.
Yes, revenue per user grew fairly significantly, but especially considering that Gen Z and down aren’t likely to be majorly into console games, it’s an issue.
And it’s an issue for us old timers because if sales start tanking we will see less great games being made. We already kind of see that with AAA titles and ballooning costs.
Edit: Forgot to add that while there is certainly still significant stable revenue to get from consoles… shareholders don’t want that. Especially institutional and “activist” investors want constant growth and all they care about is a few next quarters.
On the other hand we can see more great games elsewhere, just maybe lesser on consoles.
I just hope the people here can manage to adapt well to the new landscape of the industry here in the coming years.
Do you ever get tired of posting incredibly stupid takes?On the other hand we can see more great games elsewhere, just maybe lesser on consoles.
I just hope the people here can manage to adapt well to the new landscape of the industry here in the coming years.
Both can be true, but neither are a sign that Playstation is in trouble or in a decline.Yes, they have been closing several studios over the years to cope with the issue.
The CEO has said that spreading to more platforms is their strategy to resolve the narrowing profit margin issue despite the higher revenues. And yes, they are also trying to expand beyond their console business because they know relying on their current console business is no longer enough. At the same time, the fact that they missed their forecast despite having 2 years of shortages and a new hardware refresh is pretty telling here.
Not that it is totally a bad thing, since more people from different platforms getting to play Sony Playstation games now.
Dedicated video game hardware (includes Consoles and Portables, for example, but excludes multiuse devices such as PC, Mobile, Quest, etc.). Not adjusted for inflation.
Some of these guys have to be trolling.Microsoft is failing with Game Pass
They're behind in cloud gaming.
Their consoles are on the decline.
PlayStation consoles are going strong and they're already ahead when it comes to cloud gaming.
Steam will remain the dominant storefront on PC.
5-6 years ago, Xbox fans said Game Subscriptions would take over and cloud gaming would be the biggest thing in gaming. lol.