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PS3 is the best worldwide selling console of 2011 [Update: Undershipped 360 by 800k]
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Inanna said:
I know, right!?!?!? I was so angry that I went and purchased a stand alone $800 Blu-Ray player just to spite them!
If winning is units sold, Nintendo wins this dumb, generational race. But they all made money: Sony took longer to get there, Microsoft dug out of their XBox investment hole 2/3 of the way through and Nintendo was profitable from day one.
Each platform had huge weaknesses and shining strengths. As Sony no longer owns fabrication, selling their chip foundry that they established during the PS2 era, it will be interesting to see if they continue the production cycle of 10+ years as past systems.
Pimpbaa
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Inanna said:
I dunno, the ps2 was pretty similar to the ps3. Expensive, pretty barren game lineup for the first year, early games weren't that impressive (compared to games on supposedly less powerful consoles, took a while before developers got the most out of the system. The difference being some of these problems being significantly worse on the ps3. I hope the ps4 is more like the ps1 in regards to price and being developer friendly. From what we know so far of the PS Vita, Sony seems to be mostly headed in the right direction.
OldJadedGamer
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onQ123 said:
Yeah, kind of like when everyone is in a room talking and that one person comes in and makes a weird awkward comment and then everyone stops talking... kind of like that
PdotMichael
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OldJadedGamer said:
because Nintendo is at the moment not profitable.
zomgbbqftw
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OldJadedGamer said:
Yes. Well not as simple as that, but the Arcade unit with 512MB flash was priced at £109.99 for about a year and when MS introduced the Xbox 360 S 4GB the official price was £139.99, but since it is a different product it wasn't really a price rise.
Before the 360 S people didn't want one because of RRoD so they had to price extremely aggressively to get any kind of decent sales in PAL, since then the RRoD fiasco is all but gone and it is quite reliable now. MS no longer need to bribe people into buying with super low prices so naturally they went up.
OldJadedGamer
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People keep bringing up the price of the PS3 but in Japan the PS3 only cost around 10,000yen more than the PS2 did (about $100 difference at the time). The PS2 sold more units in 48 hours at launch than the PS3 did in 8 months. That can't be just because of $100.
I don't think Nintendo has ever not posted a profit in the year. Quarters have been down but not years. Plus, Nintendo is sitting on a huge pile of cash right now from all the money they made from the Wii and DS. "At the moment" has nothing to do with the last 5 years of this generation.
MS priced it this way officially or stores priced it? When the arcade slim was released in the states, it was the exact same price as the previous arcade unit. It just had more features. You haven't been able to walk out of a store (with MSRP) with a 360 for under $199.99 in over 3 years. I'm interested to see if what happened in the PAL territory was a store thing or an official thing.
PdotMichael said:
I don't think Nintendo has ever not posted a profit in the year. Quarters have been down but not years. Plus, Nintendo is sitting on a huge pile of cash right now from all the money they made from the Wii and DS. "At the moment" has nothing to do with the last 5 years of this generation.
zomgbbqftw said:
MS priced it this way officially or stores priced it? When the arcade slim was released in the states, it was the exact same price as the previous arcade unit. It just had more features. You haven't been able to walk out of a store (with MSRP) with a 360 for under $199.99 in over 3 years. I'm interested to see if what happened in the PAL territory was a store thing or an official thing.
CadetMahoney
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someone posts about Xbox having a year head start giving them the advantage. . .
Could have, would have, should have sentiments. Love em.
OldJadedGamer said:
Syphon Filter said:
Inanna said:
Could have, would have, should have sentiments. Love em.
bgassassin
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onQ123 said:
Uh yes you did. The discussion was about what PS3 on it's own did by the fifth year. You started talking about PS2 and PS1.
Don't convince yourself that you did a good job debating when you were debating a whole different subject from what was going on. That's like a man yelling at a building a bragging that the building couldn't respond.
Shtof said:
There was another thing that occurred that pushed the PS2 to dizzying heights, straight off the bat. In fact, it was the same thing Sony tried to do with the PS3, but conditions were different. Basically, the PS2 was the highest quality DVD player, at half the price of stand alone players in Japan, on the market when it launched and the single title that pushed units out the door was not a game, it was "The Matrix" DVD.
This caused a huge run on systems in Japan and was almost 1:1 in sales/software. Sony tried the same push with the PS3/Blu-Ray except that the DVD market was still healthy when the PS3 launched, VHS/Betamax sales were vanishing rapidly at the launch of the PS2.
Mad rush on PS2 sales in Japan turned into reports here in the US of the system flying off the shelf at an amazing pace meant huge anticipation for the system. Couple this with the issue of chip production for the PS2 where the yields were roughly 60% due to new fabrication issues and a new foundry, and air freight to meet the US launch date (which resulted in each launch unit being roughly $1200 in cost!) equaling an extremely limited supply and the US was in a fever pitch to get a hold of any unit possible.
There were many factors that played into the launch of the PS2 that allowed it to rocket from the gate. It sure wasn't Fantavision.
OldJadedGamer said:
You are correct. See above.
AgentChris
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Nintendo isn't lying. Numbers don't lie.Blackface said:
CoffeeJanitor
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Pretty sure he's just joking, look at his avatar.Pimpbaa said:
OldJadedGamer said:Yeah, kind of like when everyone is in a room talking and that one person comes in and makes a weird awkward comment and then everyone stops talking... kind of like that
more like that person made too much sense & it was nothing left for the other people to say.
Syphon Filter
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This sounds like spinning to me. I can also say how did MS let sony catch up when they had a year headstart and cost $200 less. Not to mention all the bad press they had to deal with.AZ Greg said:
OldJadedGamer
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onQ123 said:
You notice how you are the only one who thinks you're right in the conversation?
intheinbetween
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AntiTout said:
after reading all this thread with all the Sony cheerleading, this quote seems kinda ironic to me
OldJadedGamer
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NekoFever said:
It wasn't the highest quality... but was the cheapest in Japan. In America, there were stand alone DVD players from good makers sold at every store for $150 before the PS2 even launched in Japan.
Syphon Filter said:
I think MS let them catch up because it benefits them from Sony being priced so high that it allows MS to overprice their system for as long as they have. Remember at E3 after the $599 speech how an exec from MS laughed it off saying that they didn't need to drop the 360 price after what Sony just announced?
Instead of holding the base price for 3 years (I think that is a record) they could have slashed the price and cut Sony off when they were at their weakest and most expensive. But they need Sony to be healthy, after all Sony is Microsoft's biggest customer.
bgassassin
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onQ123 said:
ROFL! You really don't see what's going on do you?
OldJadedGamer
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onQ123 said:
Can someone translate this for me.
Syphon Filter
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Hmm doesn't make much sense to me especially since MS is known to try and kill off the competition. They didn't cut that fast because they already lost money due to the rrod fiasco in 07.OldJadedGamer said:
intheinbetween
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Serenity said:
so I've missed just one gaffer's posts?? my bad then
Aika'svyse
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I think people need to whoa their horse. Some things we need to keep in mind.
These aren't final figures for the year
Some people don't seem to understand that Sony is still behind MS by likely 2.5 to 3 million in total numbers
Aligned for head start I think Sony would be ahead now?
And not to be a joy kill like this statement is, Sony lost alot this gneration while the Xbox brand became a household name. And really containing a bluray player i'm suprised they are still that far behind. Though i predicted we'd end this gen in a tie.
That said i'm looking at one for Christmas.
These aren't final figures for the year
Some people don't seem to understand that Sony is still behind MS by likely 2.5 to 3 million in total numbers
Aligned for head start I think Sony would be ahead now?
And not to be a joy kill like this statement is, Sony lost alot this gneration while the Xbox brand became a household name. And really containing a bluray player i'm suprised they are still that far behind. Though i predicted we'd end this gen in a tie.
That said i'm looking at one for Christmas.
OldJadedGamer
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Syphon Filter said:
Why kill off competition that is your biggest customer in other areas of your business? Or use their weakness to your advantage? Who knows that, maybe you're right. Maybe that 1 billion was a breaking for them and had to keep the price longer.
intheinbetween said:
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Death Dealer
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cRIPticon said:
The PS3's launch price was steep but if you really did that, you must have lot of disposable money to throw away. Are you still using said $800 Blu-ray player ?
AZ Greg
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Syphon Filter said:
Even if this article was about Sony passing MS for 2nd WW overall, and not just for one year, had someone predicted it would take Sony 5 years to do it back in the 6 USB port pre-launch era, they would have been laughed at. And maybe even banned for trolling!
Like I've said in past WW sales threads. It's all moot anyway. Who cares about 2nd. If you're going to argue sales you either argue selling the most units or making the most profit. Only one manufacturer's fans have moved the goal posts so drastically this gen.
CadetMahoney
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Could be he's saying the war continues as long as Sony/MS still make new games for it, not when a new gen starts.OldJadedGamer said:
Thing is with XBLA MS could sell the same games on both 720 and 360 for much longer than Sony supported the PS2 with new games. So theoretically ppl would be counting console numbers for a very long time since they'd still be "supporting" it.
The milestone, of course, would be when a new gen starts. ppl will of course discredit said milestone and say "it's not over" because they still support those consoles like Sony still supported the PS2 and counted those numbers.
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