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Miyamoto: "Retro (the developer) might be a good fit for Zelda."
- Thread starter ShockingAlberto
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We had enough of that with Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, I think.
Littlegator
Banned
He was proposing a game that would be enjoyable.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
I'd really love to see that experimented with that on the Upad screen, different/complex views could be awesome from a level design perspective. A much more substantive idea than more motion controls for me.
MisterHero
Super Member
Can we possibly cite the merits of one hypothetical idea (the U Pad) without disparaging the merits of an idea that has been successfully showcased (Skyward Sword), much to the chagrine of people who don't like them.
that would be nice
that would be nice
I'm sure someone's already said it somewhere, but I think Wii U is incredibly suitable for Four Swords style gameplay. Maybe rebrand it "New Legend of Zelda" or something to capitalize on Mario, and if it "fails" it's not mainline or anything. Nintendo could use it to help launch whatever online plan it has for Wii U as well.
And it would be steampunk of course.
And it would be steampunk of course.
cartman414
Member
Traditionally controlled.
IchigoSharingan
Member
Zelda with the same story telling and 1st person finesse as Half Life
+
mega hi res textures
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difficult as fuck Lufia II-esque dungeons
+
16xAF and 8x Super Sampling
=
wowgasm
Ewwwwwwwww. Do not want.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
For me it comes down to potential of the ideas, albeit one hypothetical, one not. I'm merely stating from a pure game/level design perspective the Upad (in my opinion) offers a wider breadth of ideas to translate into fun, practical, deep gameplay. And what may not be knowm due to what I've said, is I was actually pleasantly surprised by the motion controls in function and even feel, mostly in reliability which impressed me. I just don't feel they were a big enough boon to the Zelda series, based purely on SS that they deserve a 2nd shot on the same tech. Not when other more practical ideas are right in front of us. But that's just where I stand on it, in light of Zelda team heads proclaiming "more motion".
I'd be interested to see (off topic though) exactly what, where and how people consider the motion controls "good" as opposed to button centric alternatives. Is it just the "new fresh feel" or is it something in how they were executed that meshed with game design and/or more substantial that stands the test of time vs. buttons?
MisterHero
Super Member
Well like any form of input, not every game has to use them exactly like Zelda has, nor use them as often. Even the next Zelda might choose different Key Items (the B-slots in SS) so controls will almost have to be different. Though yeah, I think broad concepts like sword control might be here to stay.
From the DS Zeldas, I really liked being able to draw the path of the Bombchus. Of course though, without making "3D" maps they might not make as much sense for the Bombchu/Wall puzzles in OoT and MM. Drawing on maps was fun too.
I do have a potential limit for non-traditional inputs myself. For example, I dread the possibility that heartrate monitoring might get put into some major games (though it might be interesting for Eternal Darkness?).
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Get that shit out of here.
King of the Potato People
Member
But then we wouldn't see Link's expressions (gameplay), they defy the character, e.g.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I don't understand why people want more story in Zelda. It's one of the worst things about Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. Trying to force some kind of emotional connection like that just doesn't work. Dark Souls for me is the perfect example of how the story in Zelda should be handled. Introduction scene, intro level/dungeon and then your on your own. I do like the idea of an "open-world" Zelda, were maybe instead of automatically gaining tools you will definitely need when you need them you actually have to investigate, explore and talk to people to discover tools (similar to Adventures of Link).
I would love this. Subtle stories that aren't imposing are the best. I like the way A link to the Past handled them to. After every dungeon you get a piece of lore.
EDIT: Oh yeah. Retro making this would be incredible. Metroid Prime 1 & 2 (with a bit more freedom) is pretty much how I imagine my ideal zelda.
LoftyTheMetroid
Member
My dream game has always been a Retro-developed LoZ with Zelda as the lead playable character, or something along those lines. Have spells replace items, lots of unique magic-related gameplay mechanics (magnetize enemies/objects, freeze the ground beneath your feet, change gravity, things like that).
With those Sheik rumors, maybe my dream might come true (somewhat)?
With those Sheik rumors, maybe my dream might come true (somewhat)?
King of the Potato People
Member
But that amount of exploration, discovering all those things on your own, they would confuse the new audience. In other words it'd be good. Nintendo wouldn't want those ideas. Their direction for Zelda is wrong.
Don't even joke about that.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Kind of hard to say considering DKCR, but Retro probably skews less towards it. With the Wii U offering a couple different options for controls I'd hope that at the very least they'd find logical and good ways to incorporate motion vs. shoehorning it in. I loved the motion for DKCR's ground pound, but the roll-waggle was awful. So hopefully next gen there's less inclination to find/create places to include motion, and instead does it where it feels natural and good.
Saying that I really think the Upad along with the Wiimote (as a physical item) could be interesting to see in a Zelda game. Where the Wiimore essentially is a physical game item (or weapon) you occasionally can use or solve puzzles with Zak & Wiki style. And I'm still sticking by using the IR pointer in a type of Fallout 3 VATS mode could be cool to use as a puzzle item and weapon in Zelda.
06nbarnhill
Member
= Not Zelda
SolarPowered
Member
Thanks for the info.
Maybe I should say here that I sometimes enjoy the waggle. Multiplayer/party games like Rabbids and Warioware titles benifit from waggle, but in first person adventures I don't want to have to stand in front of the TV waving Wiimote swords/shields for hours. I'd prefer ALttP or Ocarina controls for long single player titles.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
I've said in the past that we need another cel shaded Zelda set on land. The overworld would be seamless, with gigantic trees and mountains where you can easily get lost. And this would never fly, but the music would be so minimal in this Zelda game. When walking through a large, thick forest, you'd hear nothing but nature and a few atmospheric tones to set the mood right.
Nice. I agree. Reminds me of the rain at the opening of ALttP.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
if I had eight hooligans raping my arse with a tennis racket, I'd feel less disgusted and violated
I think most of us are coming towards the consensus that the next Zelda should be about exploration and adventuring. The dungeons will be integrated into the world. You will be exploring a mountain and find an entry point to an underground mining facility. You can search ruins, go into a cave that leads deep into the earth where a monster like the Balrog dwells. All around you will be remnants of an ancient advanced civilization. After you have found the six key artifacts you will be directed towards the largest mountain in the area and suddenly Hyrule castle will be visible to you nestled at the peak:
TheCongressman1
Member
Perfect.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
so we want demon's souls/dark souls Zelda edition. I'm in!
GodfatherX
Member
been wanting this since TP came out. After New SMB and DKC I thought it could be a good possibility. Not sure if I'd want Retro doing it, not because I think they would do a bad job but because I think their talents would be better put to use in crafting a new ip with new hardware
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
I just think Zelda needs MUCH, MUCH less story.
Didn't you think the third one was alright?
Someone in the OT said they did the cutscene animations or something.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
NO!
Retro earned the right to work on an original IP!
Damn.
Retro earned the right to work on an original IP!
Damn.
StreetsAhead
Member
I mean, I just feel video games have evolved as a medium to the point where the audiences no longer want them to be mere 'games'. They want them to visceral, cinematic experiences. I feel that Retro could really move this series, and video games as a whole, into a new direction where they don't even have to be called video games anymore, but 'experiences'.
TheCongressman1
Member
This post lost all meaning.
Excuse me, speak for yourself, please! The popularity of Mario shows just how popular real games are in comparison to hell knows what like Uncharted.
yeah, that's why i didn't list 2007.
Eggplant Wizard
Member
Not sure if I'd like Retro working on a main series title. A big problem that came up with the Metroid Prime series is that the series (or at least the 3D games in the series) had nowhere to go once Retro left, which is how Other M happened.
A Sheik spin-off makes way too much sense in this instance. The Zelda team would be able to keep making main series games, avoiding an awkward return to the series 8 years down the line. Meanwhile, Retro could make a game that isn't as restricted by the series' conventions. Or it wouldn't have to be Sheik: We could have an adventure with Tetra's pirate crew, or a game set entirely in the Twilight Realm, or a return to Termina. I'd love to see what Retro could do with these ideas.
Unfortunately it seems like Miyamoto is talking more about Retro making a mainline series title, but I suppose I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
A Sheik spin-off makes way too much sense in this instance. The Zelda team would be able to keep making main series games, avoiding an awkward return to the series 8 years down the line. Meanwhile, Retro could make a game that isn't as restricted by the series' conventions. Or it wouldn't have to be Sheik: We could have an adventure with Tetra's pirate crew, or a game set entirely in the Twilight Realm, or a return to Termina. I'd love to see what Retro could do with these ideas.
Unfortunately it seems like Miyamoto is talking more about Retro making a mainline series title, but I suppose I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Pretty sure that was sarcasm. Now the post he was quoting? Doubt it.
StreetsAhead
Member
CoffeeJanitor gets it.
(Apparently no one else here has been reading what ND has been saying about The Last of Us?)
In all seriousness a collaboration would be pretty rad. I think Retro could bring a lot to the pre-dungeon areas. I still hope we get 3 world units in the Zelda U: overworld, pre-dungeon areas, structured just like in SS, and dungeons themselves. All seamless of course with insane IQ.
Edit: Sorry, guys. My sarcasm meter is broken under the influence.
Edit: Sorry, guys. My sarcasm meter is broken under the influence.