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Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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They need to do this.
Wii U white, 16GB flash memory - $299
Wii U black, 1cm fatter, 8GB flash + 320GB HDD - $399
BRING IT.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Not quite true. Each one of the 802.11 family of wifi standards define both the data link *and* the physical layers. As in, if you change the radio modulation scheme of 802.11n to something not specified in the standard it won't be 802.11n anymore, even though it may still have the exact same framing and MAC characteristics. Sticking to the physical layer specified in the standard is what allows 802.11x-compatible devices to actually talk to each other.
In this regard, Thraktor is right to say 802.11ac has its own physical layer specification, allowing it to achieve the quoted BWs. The 'decent radio' you're referring to can be the channel configuration and modulation specified in the standard, i.e. its physical layer.
While some aspects of the data layer protocol might be redundant for this application, don't discard frames just yet. Frames are essential in most block-based transmission protocols (as opposed to single-character-based). Even analogue video protocols like NTSC, PAL, etc have their frame-like traits on multiple levels - per scanline, per field, per frame, etc. This allows both ends of the channel to be on the same 'page' wrt to what is on the channel at every given moment.
AceBandage
Banned
Nintendorama
m.i.s.
Banned
I highly doubt it.
My biggest fear is that they'll make it even smaller. It seems like size is what Nintendo cares about most with the console itself these days.
I think your doubts are well founded.
Why, of all things would they want to change the aesthetic design of the system? That's one commercial aspect of the system that they got spot on - in contrast to the marketing nightmare that the purple cube presented.
I think the design of the system is fine in that it's small, unobtrusive and inoffensive to most people.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I don't. Keep the big and bulky designs for the PC's. I want my consoles to be small and sleek.
It's okay to like tacky things.
Ah, don't get me wrong, I LOVED the size of the Wii. But more extreme designs please! Make it LOOK cool, instead of playing it safe and inoffensive.
How the hell are they tacky?
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Fair enough. Honestly, if the Wii U looked like a SNES, but thinner, I'd be perfectly fine with it.
Also, you guys saying it needs to be white make me laugh. The 360 launched in white, did that stop you from purchasing it? or is the "black = hardcoreawesomness" start this generation?
I'm cool with white consoles, I think they're sexy. But my problem at the moment is that the WiiU has a matte finish instead of the Wii's sleek and sexy gloss, both on the system and controller.
I don't care if it's harder to clean, fix this Nintendo!
That's alos a problem - it bears to much of a resemblance to what many will see as a 'kiddy' console. if they want to attract wider markets, they need to redesign. Sure, keep the motif - white, glossy, blue lights. But diversify a bit.
-Pyromaniac-
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seems like the hardest thing Nintendo has to overcome is that stigma they currently have[Nintex said:
-Pyromaniac- said:
Nintendo needs to pay up if they want more than ports and Ubisofts B-titles, plain and simple. Sony did that during the PS2 days, Microsoft did that during the Xbox 360 days. Nintendo understands it too because they're doing it with Monster Hunter and Layton and they can make deals in various ways(limited ed. console bundles, marketing money, money hats etc.).
bgassassin
Member
I'm down for black, but not for paying $100 extra when I can get a much larger external one for the same price.
-Pyromaniac-
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they have the money to do it as well. That's what I was saying a lot of pages back. They don't need to poach exclusives or anything, they need to create more partnerships, like the other companies have with some developers. It's funny because I should believe that they'll do it since they are doing it for 3DS, but for some reason I don't have a lot of faith that they'll be able to do it with western developers, and on a larger more consistent scale for their home console.[Nintex said:
I also believe Nintendo is too Japan centric to make it work because the best NOA could do while courting Rockstar was GTA: Chinatown Wars and that left a sour taste in Take2's mouth that won't be forgotten anytime soon.
[Nintex];34097288 said:
Nintendo's biggest third-party partner is going to be Capcom, and to a lesser extent Square Enix. They are the only two Japanese companies to actually be successful globally and partnering with Nintendo to grow brands like Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest in NA. I don't expect much else, except a few random NMH2-like randomness.
With that said, I am pretty hyped. I hope Capcom goes fight game happy with ports 'n such early on.
AceBandage
Banned
Are we really worried about what the system itself will look like?
Do any of you actually look at it while playing... or ever?
Do any of you actually look at it while playing... or ever?
The Wii sits in my lap as I play it.
AceBandage
Banned
Touche...
I understand they need two chips. The advantage is these sorts of chips have a lot of backing and the production lines can be set up quickly and will reduce in cost faster than something highly specialized. They also have greater range than WirelessHD which makes the tablet more useful but if they could connect to general wireless networks or peer-to-peer with 3DS using Wi-Fi Direct you can imagine there are additional possibilities in what you could do with the controller. And in the case of laptops, Intel's WiDi is actually using a 802.11n radio with a special protocol which is similar to what I'm suggesting.
The spec determines the frequency ranges and some other characteristics like beam-forming so it's not agnostic to its medium.
Are we assuming only one Wii U controller? What about multiple Wii U consoles in the same home? What about security of the transmitted images? People shouldn't be able to capture streams of your data. I think handshaking and security is very much useful and something of a concern.
It's a rip-off, but it's a way to cover their losses on the $299 Wii U. It means they can market a $299 'everybody's console', bleed some money for it, and market a 'hardcore console' and with it make up some of their losses. It'll expand their image and increase their market competitiveness, as well as giving devs a place to store their patches and DLC.
I doubt they'll do it, but I'd like the idea. I would buy the $399 SKU, especially if they bundle it with a game.
Apparently I wasn't correct about 802.11's relation to its physical medium, but it makes little sense for Nintendo to copy that part of the 802.11 spec, as they are free to choose things so that they don't interfere with other equipment and are more optimized for the Upad scenario (things like line-of-sight, one-way communication and distance to the station). The data link part is entirely useless anyway, although Nintendo might implement some primitive frame management.
Bidirectional communication, and therefore handshaking and security will be provided over the Bluetooth connection already. Security on the image stream will be easy to implement using a simple XOR map that gets regenerated periodically over Bluetooth (so that it functions kind of like a stream cipher).
Hero of Legend
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Nothing big or anything but merely speculation frrom my behalf, but Namco was interviewed a while ago about Graces F and why it's not on Wii and being localized:
Makes me wonder if a Wii U version could be in the cards after all, because it's a technical hurdle they can't overcome, so they might do it on Wii U to compensate for Wii owners who were looking forward to it maybe? Like I said, 100% speculation.
And more importantly perhaps, we finally get a confirmation that Sword of Legendia is dead, for several years in fact:
http://www.kingdom-of-tales.net/news-480.html
Makes me wonder if a Wii U version could be in the cards after all, because it's a technical hurdle they can't overcome, so they might do it on Wii U to compensate for Wii owners who were looking forward to it maybe? Like I said, 100% speculation.
And more importantly perhaps, we finally get a confirmation that Sword of Legendia is dead, for several years in fact:
http://www.kingdom-of-tales.net/news-480.html
AceBandage
Banned
I had forgotten about SoL.
Sad that it was cancelled.
Sad that it was cancelled.
Hero of Legend
Member
Same, all we ever got was one piece of art in the video at Sept '06 that unveiled the game in the first place.
Hopefully by some miracle they decide to revive it on Wii U, just the fact that it's such a mystery is what's really fueling my interest along side it being named after a Tales game but not being a Tales game itself.
I'm pretty sure that what you think is an IR emitter at the top of the controller is actually an IR camera like the one on the Wiimote. It would be used to calibrate the controller for any sort of AR-style game. You'll notice in the "Shield Pose" minigame they showed at last year's E3 that the controller had to be faced down after each set of arrows are stopped. This would allow the IR camera to recalibrate its position relative to the TV, which is important to prevent it drifting over time (which would become quite noticeable in an AR-style game). Of course it's entirely possible for there to be an IR emitter there, too, and it would make sense given the possibility for TV guide apps and so forth.
-Pyromaniac-
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They just need to be more assertive in the end. Companies can have whatever taste in their mouth but it's hard to say no to the almighty dollar when it's presented at a high enough value. If Nintendo shows a ton of faith and gambles on a game, that's how you build partnerships. Of course you have to do all the leg work for them in terms of marketing and stuff, but that's how you get them. You have to be committed. Can't simply say here are the tools guyz plz come make gaimz. They have to earn back that privilege and if it means reaching into the deep pockets, then do it. Show them you mean business.[Nintex said:
Just the color.
I'm inevitably going to purchase it, it's just an extra preference.
Colour and finish. Matte is for losers.
And how exactly would you do that golf demo with the ball on U controller if there was no sensor bar emulation? The camera is there in the middle of that strip but not an IR one, just a normal webcam - you can do videochat on Wii U.
Aizu_Itsuko
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That looks horrible.
I have a Corsair 600T Graphite Series (White) for one of my PCs and it looks much better than that. Great ventilation and silent too.
Sometimes less is more.
So you're thinking something akin to a cable scrambler where one or more streams are encoded and the key is transmitted via bluetooth? How does that work in the multi-Wii U scenario? How do you prevent the streams from clobbering each other?
http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/
Have a look at these then. They're not all garish and aggressive. (Ignore the denim one...:/)
Besides, if "less is more", what's wrong with the first example? It's pretty damn simple.
Ergh, the just all look like they were made for a 13/14 year old boy who was all like 'BLACK AND NEON LIGHTS ARE COOL AS FUCK'.
Black with neon lights is not cool as fuck, by the way.
Sorry, I should have clarified myself better. The black strip above the screen on the front of the controller, as you can see here, is the video chat camera and "sensor bar" (poor name for it as it doesn't sense anything, it's just four IR LEDs for the Wiimote to gauge its position). However if you look at this picture, for example, you'll see a little black square on the top of the controller, which I contend is an IR camera like the one in the Wiimote to allow it to perform similar pointer functionality and act as calibration for any AR-style games.
Fix'd.
Nah, I respect your taste. Some of them are way over the top, and there's beauty in simplicity. Look at the current iMac's (I'm looking at one right now), and they're a work of design genius.
But sometimes it's okay to go a little crazy.
Using the same 'session' key for each Upad connected to one Wii U would work. In the case of multiple Upads there needs to be some framing of the images to designate for which Upad the image is intended.
Personally I think Nintendo should be looking a lot more at iMacs, iPads and so forth than what you posted above. The best design decisions they ever made were with the Wii and DS Lite, both of which were, to put it lightly, heavily influenced by Apple.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Should the Wii U be milled alluminum?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I vote for monocrystal.
Ha, I was about to say "Of course, Apple's current aluminium style may be a little outside Nintendo's price range".
A nicely designed aluminium console would look pretty sweet, though.
Edit:
Go back to the days when Apple used titanium in the Powerbook line. Nintendo likes their hardware to be durable, right? What's more durable than titanium?
OH... now you're talking...
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Of course we could go the other direction as well:
Hell yes.
AceBandage
Banned
Why would Nintendo use Aluminum when their own Nintendium is already the best material in the universe?
Err, where are we hearing this? They don't have to pay for ports.
At least, not directly. They just have to give good incentives for their platform, but that's no different from Sony or MS.
Err, where are we hearing this? They don't have to pay for ports.
At least, not directly. They just have to give good incentives for their platform, but that's no different from Sony or MS.
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