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Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.

xHAASx

Banned
The usual rants:

Halo 3 wasn't that good - SP particularly. Backward step from Halo 2's broadening of the Halo Universe to a scared re-run of Halo with a bit of jungle combat thrown in. Classic third entry of a franchise that doesn't know how to close it's own story so simply repeats what was initially popular. The game looked distinctly average too.

Mass Effect 1 is pretty weak in pretty much every area: terrible code, poor combat, stiff characters, dull functional dialogue (okay shares that with a of written SF but still) coupled with a terrible inventory system and settings/concepts covered many times before.

Open World games are often anything but in terms of allowing meaningful freedom of choice.

The 360 controller is too big and the battery case is awful. How can a controller with less functions than a Dualshock be that bulky?

On that topic neither the 360 gamepad nor PS3 dualshock is truly 'better' for gameplay. The stick placement makes no difference and neither does the shape of the grip. Any preference is down to personal ergonomics and confirmation bias. The only definite difference is the D-Pad is for sure better on PS3 but I find few games use them enough to make it hugely noticeable.

Nintendo failed to follow through with their own motion control revolution and left the Wii to stagnate in terms of fresh experiences.

Halo 3 was most certainly a gratifying and well-made game, but the pre-hype was so ginormous, it let me down in the end.
 

Alchemy

Member
The 360 controller is too big and the battery case is awful. How can a controller with less functions than a Dualshock be that bulky?

Probably because it would be immensely retarded to try to shrink controllers as much as possible based on the electronics inside? Mother fucking ergonomics, how do they work? The original Xbox controller wasn't huge because it was packed to the teeth with technology, those are intentional designs based around what they feel is a comfortable controller. Not everyone shares the same opinions oddly enough.

Its fine to disagree with those decisions, but that question... jesus christ.
 

qq more

Member
Super Mario 3D Land made 2D Mario obsolete, and as such there is no reason to make more NSMB-style games.

2D Mario obsolete? Nah, it's still a different play style that has its place. Agree on no more NSMB-style games though... less bland art and less generic worlds please. (As much as I love NSMB Wii, I just wish the half of the world didn't have that... generic feel to it)
 

matt05891

Member
Halo 3 wasn't that good - SP particularly. Backward step from Halo 2's broadening of the Halo Universe to a scared re-run of Halo with a bit of jungle combat thrown in. Classic third entry of a franchise that doesn't know how to close it's own story so simply repeats what was initially popular. The game looked distinctly average too.

I have to disagree with you. It was by far the best Halo game imo. The story tied everything together, all while ending in a nostalgic race to rap everything up where it all began; in the the cryopod. Halo 2 was a terrible game in comparision as H3 expanded upon everything it brought the table.

Of everything on here I just couldn't let that go by without my 2 cents.
 
On that topic neither the 360 gamepad nor PS3 dualshock is truly 'better' for gameplay. The stick placement makes no difference and neither does the shape of the grip. Any preference is down to personal ergonomics and confirmation bias. The only definite difference is the D-Pad is for sure better on PS3 but I find few games use them enough to make it hugely noticeable.

You forgot the triggers.

Dualshock3 has better D-Pad, unquestionable.
360 has better triggers, unquestionable.

I preffer the 360 in everything but the D-Pad (to the point where I actually buy almost all non-exclusives on the 360), but as you say, it's all down to personal ergonomics except for the D-Pad... and the triggers (don't bullshit yourself over this one).
 

Overdoziz

Banned
I have to disagree with you. It was by far the best Halo game imo. The story tied everything together, all while ending in a nostalgic race to rap everything up where it all began; in the the cryopod. Halo 2 was a terrible game in comparision as H3 expanded upon everything it brought the table.

Of everything on here I just couldn't let that go by without my 2 cents.
Halo 2 had superior story-telling and a better multiplayer (glitches aside). Halo 3 had better singleplayer gameplay but that's pretty much it.
 
I really don't like Mario Kart. Period. I think it's a crappy rubberband fest that's crap for competitive play and too infuriating to be a "party game". ModNation Racers is 100 times better than any Mario Kart, IMO.
 

Scirrocco

Member
The original Xbox controller was perfectly fine. Everyone who said it was to big was a whiner.

The original God Of War is a complete rip-off of an early PS2 called Rygar: The legendary journeys. I mean, its really blatant. Greco-roman setting. Giant boss battles. Main character's weapon is a regular weapon on a chain which he can throw around. The controls are nearly the same, and they even have the same useless air-stomp move. Probably some other things but its been years since i've played it. The only thing GoW really added was lots of gore and sex and quick time events.

Now, thats not to say God Of War isn't the better game. It is. Rygar was pretty bad, and God of War certainly shows its polish, achieving a scale Rygar could only really dream of. But its still a rip off.

Final Fantasy VII > Final Fantasy 6.
 

NBtoaster

Member
The 360 controller is too big and the battery case is awful. How can a controller with less functions than a Dualshock be that bulky?

I agree in the case of the standard wireless controller. The battery pack is enormous and uncomfortable. Which is why I only use the infinitely better wired controller.
 
I agree in the case of the standard wireless controller. The battery pack is enormous and uncomfortable. Which is why I only use the infinitely better wired controller.

The battery case was the first thing I noticed was genuinely wrong with the controller and to this day it still causes discomfort when playing. I'm really quite surprised that so few people seem to care about a gigantic plastic box protruding out of the back of the controller right where our fingers would normally rest. It forces me to grip the sides of the controller in an unnatural way and causes really annoying hand cramps.

Yes, the Dualshock might be too small for some people, I understand that. But at least there isn't a big hunk of plastic where your fingers should be >:|
 
You forgot the triggers.

Dualshock3 has better D-Pad, unquestionable.
360 has better triggers, unquestionable.

I preffer the 360 in everything but the D-Pad (to the point where I actually buy almost all non-exclusives on the 360), but as you say, it's all down to personal ergonomics except for the D-Pad... and the triggers (don't bullshit yourself over this one).

I don't usually endorse third party shit but for the PS3 controller I actually really do enjoy these:
http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/accessories/ps3-real-triggers-pdp/74516
I have virtually never used my PS3 controller without them, and every time I play on someones system who does not have them it feels awkward.
 

Dusk Golem

A 21st Century Rockefeller
Fatal Frame 2 wasn't scary. It was a good game, but not scary and a lot less so than the first one.

Dead Space 1 is boring and horribly designed, and it's sequel is better in every conceivable way.

I actually enjoyed most of NiGHTS Journey of Dreams and Epic Mickey.

I actually enjoyed both Silent Hill Homecoming and Shattered Memories.

I have a biased love for Indie games.
 
Really there is nothing good about the Playstation controller besides the Dpad, it's probably the number one reason I don't play many PS3 games. The controller is atrocious.
 

xHAASx

Banned
[Clark Gable];34742857 said:
Really there is nothing good about the Playstation controller besides the Dpad, it's probably the number one reason I don't play many PS3 games. The controller is atrocious.

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Would you preferably?
 

suzu

Member
I've enjoyed all the mainline Final Fantasy games that I've played, with the exception of FFX. I can't seem to force myself to finish it even though I've finished FFX-2. Someday I will get around to it just for the sake of completion..
 
Dead Space 1 is boring and horribly designed, and it's sequel is better in every conceivable way...

don't know about the sequel, but, yes, ds is an extremely boring game. beautiful graphics, great sound, but absolutely no personality or heart whatsoever. horror doesn't work nearly as well for me when i don't really give a damn what happens to anyone (including the lead character, who's just some faceless cipher/tool running around doing whatever he's told to do next). were there ever a game that really could've used a few cut scenes, it's this one...
 

spekkeh

Banned
Yes, the Dualshock might be too small for some people, I understand that. But at least there isn't a big hunk of plastic where your fingers should be >:|
Because... that's not where your fingers should be. Those wings are made to grip, not to loosely rest on your fingers as with the Dualshock. Which is also why I can't operate a PS3 controller.

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Your thumbs, how do the work.

I would've prefered that weird boomerang thing because at least the sticks seem to be placed further upwards.
 

Mdk7

Member
I'll never, ever understand the praise Suda51 (and Grasshopper Manufacture) get.
I like his attitude, but his games range from very bad to decent at best, and ALL of them have major design flaws.
Yet he's up there with Mikami, Kamiya and all the rest of the gaming gotha.
 
Because... that's not where your fingers should be. Those wings are made to grip, not to loosely rest on your fingers as with the Dualshock. Which is also why I can't operate a PS3 controller.

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Your thumbs, how do the work.

I would've prefered that weird boomerang thing because at least the sticks seem to be placed further upwards.

Good lord that drawing is a monstrosity lol.

The DS controllers really are the most comfortable out of the bunch and I have hands that were able to hold the original Xbox controller in my hand comfortably. Don't see how people are having to cramp their hands to hold a DS.
 

snap0212

Member
Because... that's not where your fingers should be. Those wings are made to grip, not to loosely rest on your fingers as with the Dualshock. Which is also why I can't operate a PS3 controller.

lgANL.jpg


Your thumbs, how do the work.

I would've prefered that weird boomerang thing because at least the sticks seem to be placed further upwards.
Prefering the 360 controller for that reason doesn't make any sense, though. Your right thumb is still in a 'weird' position on that thing. I personally prefer the PS3 one, can't stand the 360 controller. The sticks are okay but the buttons feel so incredibly cheap. To each his own, I guess. :)
 

Curufinwe

Member
Because... that's not where your fingers should be. Those wings are made to grip, not to loosely rest on your fingers as with the Dualshock. Which is also why I can't operate a PS3 controller.

The back of the controller is exactly where your middle fingers should be.

Fatal Frame 2 wasn't scary. It was a good game, but not scary and a lot less so than the first one.

The kusabi was very scary.
 

LeleSocho

Banned
Super Mario 3D Land made 2D Mario obsolete, and as such there is no reason to make more NSMB-style games.

More like Mario 64 made Mario 3D Land obsolete, just like Metroid Prime made Other M obsolete... these two games with their mechanics/controls is what i would've expected from their first 3d(polygonal) console.
 

spekkeh

Banned
Prefering the 360 controller for that reason doesn't make any sense, though. Your right thumb is still in a 'weird' position on that thing. I personally prefer the PS3 one, can't stand the 360 controller. The sticks are okay but the buttons feel so incredibly cheap. To each his own, I guess. :)

I agree that the right thumb is in a weird position--if you're using the thumb stick. Ergonomically speaking it's quite obvious that they built the controller around the left thumb stick and the buttons as the default position, and you have to awkwardly shift your right hand a bit to reach the analog thumb stick. The left stick at least is in the correct position though.

The back of the controller is exactly where your middle fingers should be.

Your middle fingers should be on the LT and RT buttons.
 

Trey

Member
Final Fantasy IV is the best FF, followed closely by XII.

Halo: Reach is good.

Uncharted is a mediocre game with industry leading presentation.

Bayonetta is the best action game made so far.

XBL is worth the money I pay for it.

I don't have a problem with Online Passes in how they currently work.

EA isn't the devil.

Don't mind being pandered to.

Controller is preferable to kb/m.

PC elitists are the worst subsection of players in the gaming community.

Games are declining in depth and actual quality and leaning toward water-cooler moments to carry their games.

Skyrim is a bad game with lots to do.

Deus Ex Human Revolution is a game full of potential which doesn't deliver.

Bastion is perfect.

Geometry Wars 2 is the best arcade style game of all time.

Batman games look hideous.

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is the best AssCreed.

BF3 looks like CoD and vice versa.
 

LosDaddie

Banned
Probably because it would be immensely retarded to try to shrink controllers as much as possible based on the electronics inside? Mother fucking ergonomics, how do they work? The original Xbox controller wasn't huge because it was packed to the teeth with technology, those are intentional designs based around what they feel is a comfortable controller. Not everyone shares the same opinions oddly enough.

Its fine to disagree with those decisions, but that question... jesus christ.

Indeed. The size is intentional. The controller is meant to fit right into


I just came in here to post this.

X360 controller == Fisher-Price My First Controller. Way too big.

Not if you have man-sized hands. I didn't like the OG Duke controller though. Sony's controller would be a lot better if they just designed it for human hands. The analog sticks are OK, could be better, damn that design in stuck in the 90s. :lol


Yes, the Dualshock might be too small for some people, I understand that. But at least there isn't a big hunk of plastic where your fingers should be >:|

Never been a problem for me.


I agree that the right thumb is in a weird position--if you're using the thumb stick. Ergonomically speaking it's quite obvious that they built the controller around the left thumb stick and the buttons as the default position, and you have to awkwardly shift your right hand a bit to reach the analog thumb stick. The left stick at least is in the correct position though..

Correct. Which makes the "symmetry" argument weird when people use it in favor of the DS3 :|
 

xHAASx

Banned
Final Fantasy IV is the best FF, followed closely by XII.

Halo: Reach is good.

Uncharted is a mediocre game with industry leading presentation.

Bayonetta is the best action game made so far.

XBL is worth the money I pay for it.

I don't have a problem with Online Passes in how they currently work.

EA isn't the devil.

Don't mind being pandered to.

Controller is preferable to kb/m.

PC elitists are the worst subsection of players in the gaming community.

Games are declining in depth and actual quality and leaning toward water-cooler moments to carry their games.

Skyrim is a bad game with lots to do.

Deus Ex Human Revolution is a game full of potential which doesn't deliver.

Bastion is perfect.

Geometry Wars 2 is the best arcade style game of all time.

Batman games look hideous.

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is the best AssCreed.

BF3 looks like CoD and vice versa.

I'm partially of the same view.
 

3rdman

Member
Because... that's not where your fingers should be. Those wings are made to grip, not to loosely rest on your fingers as with the Dualshock. Which is also why I can't operate a PS3 controller.

lgANL.jpg


Your thumbs, how do the work.

I would've prefered that weird boomerang thing because at least the sticks seem to be placed further upwards.

You're right...After a half hour of play, my hands cramp up. The placement of the sticks is much better on the 360 and for my (slightly) large hands, it is much more comfortable.

My daring stand: Metroid Prime is ridiculously over-rated. The constantly re-spawning enemies that ALWAYS behaved the same made me sick. Let's not even mention the stupid amounts of back-tracking it forces you to do. Add to this, you are playing as a super-advanced soldier in an exosuit with amazing abilities and yet you can't walk and aim at the same time. Ugh.
 

spekkeh

Banned
Not if you have man-sized hands.
Actually my hands are tiny. I'm identical handtwins with my wife and know quite a few girls with bigger hands than me. I love the 360 controller though, as I did the gamecube controller. Hated the original xbox brick. So heavy and the buttons were too sharp and hurt my fingers.
 

StuBurns

Banned
People are holding DS3's really strange it seems, I can't be bothered to take photos, but the 'handles' aren't even in the palm of my hands, they rest on my fingers, and my fully extended thumbs are on the sticks. It's perfectly fine for me, and I have quite large hands.
 

Jokeropia

Member
Dual shock stick placement IS terrible.

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The right analog is not as important since you generally don't need to keep your thumb on it constantly, and in genres where you do it's better off being replaced by a pointer, anyway.
 
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