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Assassin's Creed 1 had a better story and gameplay felt mostly the same, I never found the game too great and only played it a few months before 2 came out. I thought it had a lot of flaws and was hoping Assassin's Creed 2 would fix everything, but in the end I had the same complaints about gameplay and hated Ezio, also the first game's story felt a lot more mysterious and somewhat understated, it was from 2 onwards that the story became a mess (that's not to say that Ass Creed 1 had a great story by any means). I know many people didn't like the first one due to the repetitive nature but it was something I didn't mind too much.
I only enjoyed Bioshock 2 more because it was more fun to me, like a refined version of the first.
Also another somewhat controversial opinion: At the core of Metroid: Other M lies one of the greatest games of the generation that was tarnished by insurmountable stupid decisions like the story, cut scenes, I spy sections etc. etc.
I agree that the first game's story was better but overall I greatly prefer AC2. The repetitiveness of AC1 entirely killed it for me. The first time I tried to play through it I got bored after assassinating the first 2 targets and didn't finish it until about a year later. Worst part is when you think you're done with the assassinations and they tell you to kill 2 more targets. Sucked so much.
In the end I prefer AC2 simply because there's more variety and I prefer the setting. I love Italy. The language, culture, cities and history. Ezio may have not been really likable but I didn't think Altair was a great character either. I think AC2 is good example of a sequel done well. It improved on the biggest issues while still staying true to the first game.
I liked Bioshock 2 but to me it felt more like an expansion pack than a true sequel. It was pretty much the same game with a different story. The gameplay and surroundings were practically the same which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it certainly doesn't make it a better game than part 1. Also, I didn't really find the story as interesting and surprisingly (dat plot) as Bioshock 1's. I did like the parts that focused more on the little sisters, though.
I agree that the first game's story was better but overall I greatly prefer AC2. The repetitiveness of AC1 entirely killed it for me. The first time I tried to play through it I got bored after assassinating the first 2 targets and didn't finish it until about a year later. Worst part is when you think you're done with the assassinations and they tell you to kill 2 more targets. Sucked so much.
In the end I prefer AC2 simply because there's more variety and I prefer the setting. I love Italy. The language, culture, cities and history. Ezio may have not been really likable but I didn't think Altair was a great character either. I think AC2 is good example of a sequel done well. It improved on the biggest issues while still staying true to the first game.
I liked Bioshock 2 but to me it felt more like an expansion pack than a true sequel. It was pretty much the same game with a different story. The gameplay and surroundings were practically the same which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it certainly doesn't make it a better game than part 1. Also, I didn't really find the story as interesting and surprisingly (dat plot) as Bioshock 1's. I did like the parts that focused more on the little sisters, though.
I think my preference of AC 1 is in part also because I played it quite late, so I went into it with low expectations due to the reception, wih 2 though I went into it thinking it would be a perfected AC game, which it wasn't, at least to me.
And Bioshock 1 felt a little overrated to me, it took me multiple attempts to get into it, but 2 just clicked with me.
Another controversial opinion: Farcry 2 is one of the best games of the generation, and it is the best FPS, Rage is the second best FPS this gen.
Those motion controls were an abortion, as all motion controls are.
But after the patch...it really was a solid game. Not great, but the studio didn't deserve to sink because of it.
Super Smash Bro
Banned
I didn't like Dark Souls, and I'm not convinced many people do. It's one of those things you have to pretend to like for fear of being labeled a "casual."
There's probably not a single good or great feature of Skyrim (full disclosure: I played the PS3 version) but it gets a free pass for being essentially the only game doing the sandbox RPG thing (also: marketing).
I think the story, presentation, and theming in Modern Warfare 1 are the best this generation (didn't care for the gameplay, however).
Uncharted 3 is one of the worst (non-broken) games I've ever played, and I'm reminded of that old Miyamoto quote about gamers liking anything as long as the presentation is good.
Portal 2 ruined the Portal series, changing from dark humor (Dr. Strangelove) into wacky one-liner-fest (Talledega Nights).
That's about it. I'd never get to say things like this "in real life" for fear of being branded. A troll.
There's probably not a single good or great feature of Skyrim (full disclosure: I played the PS3 version) but it gets a free pass for being essentially the only game doing the sandbox RPG thing (also: marketing).
I think the story, presentation, and theming in Modern Warfare 1 are the best this generation (didn't care for the gameplay, however).
Uncharted 3 is one of the worst (non-broken) games I've ever played, and I'm reminded of that old Miyamoto quote about gamers liking anything as long as the presentation is good.
Portal 2 ruined the Portal series, changing from dark humor (Dr. Strangelove) into wacky one-liner-fest (Talledega Nights).
That's about it. I'd never get to say things like this "in real life" for fear of being branded. A troll.
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a controversial opinion or not...
Phat Michael
Banned
I thought AC1 was the pinnacle of the series. such an excellent game and the sequels never managed to match up.
Super Smash Bro
Banned
AC hasn't been about assassinations since Brotherhood. I miss AC1&2's flow of getting a mark, setting up the kill, and then cleverly pulling it off. Brotherhood and Revelations are missing that sorely.
BluePigGanon
Member
Nintendo is to the Zelda series as George Lucas is to the Star Wars saga: they've forgotten what made the property great, assuming they ever understood it to begin with.
Dark Souls is the closest we've ever gotten to real, 21st century Castlevania (NES). All modern Castlevanias are in name only, and creatively bankrupt.
Final Fantasy as a series is in its death throes, and odds are better than not that 5 years from now it will be either an insignificant property or gone for good.
There is an FPS bubble, and it has to burst. There are only so many times you can remake the same game with the same concepts.
10 years from now, the Xbox 360 will be spoken of with the same reverence a lot of us talk about the SNES.
Buying used games and piracy are both ethically wrong if you love gaming. On the other hand, buying used games and piracy when it comes to extinct systems or out of print titles is your ethical obligation if you love gaming.
Dark Souls is the closest we've ever gotten to real, 21st century Castlevania (NES). All modern Castlevanias are in name only, and creatively bankrupt.
Final Fantasy as a series is in its death throes, and odds are better than not that 5 years from now it will be either an insignificant property or gone for good.
There is an FPS bubble, and it has to burst. There are only so many times you can remake the same game with the same concepts.
10 years from now, the Xbox 360 will be spoken of with the same reverence a lot of us talk about the SNES.
Buying used games and piracy are both ethically wrong if you love gaming. On the other hand, buying used games and piracy when it comes to extinct systems or out of print titles is your ethical obligation if you love gaming.
Seems more like a controversial opinion about playing actual instruments than games.
realalbedo
Banned
Jeanne d'Arc was terrible game. Simple battle system and shitty story(as bad as in any L5 games)
Persona 4 story is not as enjoyable as Persona 3
Enchanted Arms is not nearly as bad as people say, story is shitty, but i liked characters and funny dialogues
Persona 4 story is not as enjoyable as Persona 3
Enchanted Arms is not nearly as bad as people say, story is shitty, but i liked characters and funny dialogues
NinjaBoiX
Member
What? Living out the role of a rock god, belting out your favourite tunes while colourful squares cascade down the screen was more fun than awkwardly fumbling through scales and cramping your hand to shit?
If Angry birds and Gameloft ripoffs are your thing, well...Ummmm yeaaaaah
No, simply, iPhone gaming is celestial, ascribed to the accessibility.
NinjaBoiX
Member
This is one of the biggest mysteries on GAF. Why, in the name of all that is holy, would you choose to not play a game, just because it doesn't have trophies? I mean, are you fucking kidding me? Who cares! Why deny yourself a game, just because it doesn't have this completely arbitrary reward system?
Wario64 said he was enjoying VC, but stopped when he found out it didn't have trophies. He stopped playing a game he was thoroughly enjoying because it had no trophies. Similarly, I've heard people play a game they dislike just to get the trophies.
Words fail me.
This is one of the worst trends of the generation, it doesn't make any sense to me either.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I do it too >_> I bought Heavenly Sword used last year, and plowed through to the final boss, but I can't be arsed to go back and finish it since there are no trophies anyway. Also, I got Saints Row 2 for free for PS3 when I activated the online pass code for SR3, but I don't know if I can be bothered to complete it, or even play it all that much, since there are no trophies. Same goes for Viking: Battle for Asgard.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I was lucky enough to play VC before the trophy bug bit me, but I really can't explain it to you. It's almost like the game is missing something that is just supposed to be there this generation. I won't play AC1 on the PS3 for the same reason (and I hate AC). A game not having achievements/trophs lacks that sense of checking things off the list and having a record of your progress. I LOVE the ability to say "hey, I did 100% of everything in this game that the developer deemed worthy of being seen". Older generations didn't have that so there's nothing we could say, but this gen does and I think games are better for it. Now, I have ZERO issues playing a game on say the Wii or a handheld because there is no achievement system in place. But for anything before 2009, on PS3 at least, no thanks.
Funny enough the PS3 remaster of MonHun3 came out here in Japan and my friends gobbled it up but I said no thanks. Why? No trophs. Unacceptable.
Trust me when I say trophies aren't about showing off or having an "e-peen". Look at the troph thread here on GAF. I don't think anyone has ever once gloated about anything. It's just a great way to keep track of your progress, friends' progress, and have a (very addicting) catalog of games you've played.
Anyway, hope that helps you understand it a bit. Still, Valkyria Chronicles is AMAZING and should be played regardless.
I hate both of those but there are some amazing iOS games out there.If Angry birds and Gameloft ripoffs are your thing, well...Ummmm yeaaaaah
I fully understand the appeal of Achievements/Trophies, it's a nice simple reward system and in some cases can provide an interesting challenge you normally would do in a game. I just wish people could realise and utilise the ability of creating their own challenges if they need such a thing to play a game. Aye it'll lack something popping up on screen, but a note pad off to the side (digital or not) still lets you see it checked off.
I will say I'm thankful for the idea in general though. So many games finished because someone wanted a "saw the ending" achievement/trophy. I try to ignore the dark side where people play games they hate and get no enjoyment from for the same purpose (bragging rights or not).
I will say I'm thankful for the idea in general though. So many games finished because someone wanted a "saw the ending" achievement/trophy. I try to ignore the dark side where people play games they hate and get no enjoyment from for the same purpose (bragging rights or not).
NinjaBoiX
Member
Oh don't get me wrong, I enjoy cheevs/trophies, I think if they are done right, they can add some real fun to the game. I also kind or get people slogging through a game to get the "finished the campaign" trophy, I get that. But denying yourself the enjoyment of a great game, because your PlayStation doesn't pat you on the head every hour or so is lunacy to me.
Correctomundo
Member
I'm past the point of caring how other people play their games. In all honesty, Achievements and Trophies are no different than other player ascribed milestones and speed runs. I mean, if they get a kick, who am I to say they shouldn't? That said, if they disappeared tomorrow, nothing would change about either the games I play or my habits in playing them.
There are two things that I don't understand, however. First, skipping games that don't have them purely because they don't have them - and in an even bigger baffler, people like worldrevolution who can still play games on a platform that didn't employ these dangling carrots without a problem, but won't touch a game like Valkyria Chronicles that doesn't when it's console counterparts do. Like it's somehow better to deny yourself the quality of the game for lacking an ultimately useless feature that has no bearing on ANYTHING. Who loses in that scenario? The achievement whore does. Every. Single. Time.
And second, why is it that we still don't have any way to opt out of the damned things? I can turn off notifications, but that's not good enough. What if I want the entire system purged of these little yardsticks other people are measuring me with?
Night_Trekker
Member
These things alone--or actually, the reactions to those things--totally justify the existence of Duke Nukem in today's day and age for me.
That's what I was thinking. Well, and I hate the attitude some people have about iOS versus traditional handhelds, but divorce it from that and just looking at what both offered I think both have their places: traditional handhelds for meatier, more orthodox games, and iOS for quick fun and interesting ideas that either a big publisher wouldn't touch at all or at least wouldn't fly at retail.
This is really THE biggest reason I sometimes wish achievements weren't around, playing through a crap game for them is the lesser of two evils (especially since most of the time that's probably just a rental/cheap used copy that's quickly thrown back). Worse a crap game gets a small minority getting it just for easy achievements than a great-yet-niche game missing sales/acclaim or lacking them at all. Ignoring those issues I find them to be a fun extra to get (though I probably stated that too many times now), but I rarely go out of my way for them. I might try to platinum FFXIII-2 for them, but that's just because it sounds easy and doesn't require some ridiculous amount of grinding like FFXIII did.
Well, I also don't like some of what I've heard on the technical side of things, don't like Sony failing to implant (at least on PS3) the ability to toggle their display on/off, and am not too fond in general of a non-essential feature being mandated/standardized like that, but only one of those is a serious nitpick, and even then that has more to do with them being wrong to see in some games.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Damn, I thought I felt strongly about it! But yeah, took the words right out of my mouth with the bolded part. Correctomundo indeed.
Ding ding ding. Winner!
I'm firmly in the 'fuck achievements' camp. Get them out of my games.
Night_Trekker
Member
My only real experiences with "achievements" have been those built into a game (in an achievement-like system) or those I've played through Steam. The only game that's benefited from them, IMO, is TF2, which GREATLY benefits from them. Creative achievements can add value and fun to a game, but so many are there simply because it's expected they will be. (Like, I get a damn achievement for beating a level in a linear game? WHY BOTHER?)
People who wouldn't play a game because it wouldn't add to their gamerscore are some of the saddest assholes on the planet.
NOOOOO.
You can't.
Turning off notifications turns off incoming message notifications and friend login/logout notifications, but it flipping doesn't turn off trophy notifications.
That's my whole issue with them. I do not want to get a BING in some games, especially Ico + SotC.
NEOPARADIGM
Banned
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PrimaNocta
Member
I've beaten all Zelda games BUT Ocarina of time.
Be gentle. I'm new.
Be gentle. I'm new.
Life really would be better if I could turn off all notifications in general. Hell, if Sony made it an option, I would buy a Vita (I would get games of course too) just to have it all sent to that rather than ever appearing on screen.
I don't like Dark Souls. Despite my love and reverence toward Demon's Souls, I just could not enjoy Dark Souls. Too many areas I had to push myself to get through, not from difficulty, but from annoyance or boredom. Many areas, giant and ghost infested, I never want to play through again after beating the game once.
I did not care to see what was just ahead for such a big land after the halfway point, perhaps because after Demon's and the first half it no longer seemed interesting and different to me any more.
and your opinion is? Also why would you play the CD-I games that's just poor judgement.
I don't like Dark Souls. Despite my love and reverence toward Demon's Souls, I just could not enjoy Dark Souls. Too many areas I had to push myself to get through, not from difficulty, but from annoyance or boredom. Many areas, giant and ghost infested, I never want to play through again after beating the game once.
I did not care to see what was just ahead for such a big land after the halfway point, perhaps because after Demon's and the first half it no longer seemed interesting and different to me any more.
I've beaten all Zelda games BUT Ocarina of time.
Be gentle. I'm new.
and your opinion is? Also why would you play the CD-I games that's just poor judgement.
I can see where he's coming from. The love for Dark Souls resembles that for Coen bros films (though the game is obviously not that bad). It's a niche game that shouldn't be enjoyed by so many people so vehemently. That means there's either a group of people that don't want to speak out, out of fear not being gaming ALPHA, or people that shouldn't like it but do out of wanting to fit in with the game connoisseur peer group.
Correctomundo
Member
Really? I could have sworn it turned off achievement notifications, too. If I can ever kick my girlfriend off the 360, I'll give it a look-see.
NEOPARADIGM
Banned
Indeed, well said. Though I assure you many people truly, truly love the game. It's one of the handful of games that gets a lot of "game of the gen" and "game of the forever" posts from people, including me; that's why it struck me funny.
For me that pretty much epitomizes it, but can't speak for other Coen Bros Hate Afficionados.
I dislike Nintendos urgo to give their games are more "epic" context by integrating orchestrated soundtracks into them. I found none of SMGs 1/2 or Zelda TP/SwSs score particulary appealing, they were just boring, forgettable and nowhere near as catchy as the music from previous generations. To an extend this also applies to the Pokemon DS games. While they do have some good music (and remixes of older tracks), many town and route themes are just elevator music.
AdventureRacing
Member
I won't say i dislike orchestrated soundtracks but in general i agree that the soundtracks for those games were nowhere as catchy as some of their older soundtracks.
NinjaBoiX
Member
The scene at the end in the motel wasn't explicit enough, I wasn't sure what I was looking at. I spent the last five minutes trying to work it out. To me, it was a fantastic movie, that was dulled slightly by a less than satisfying conclusion.
That was in reference to the PS3, where every notification BUT tropies could be disabled. Must be due to the fact it was grafted on later in its life and most want them or are apathetic. Though the 360 could improve there too given it's all or nothing on their front, but at least NieR could be fully beaten without anything popping up.
Probably the biggest user end problem with them are the lacking control options on all fronts. Hopefully new hardware eliminates that assuming they don't go out of vogue instead.
I expect that i'm in the minority but i don't think that Link to the Past holds up as a classic game today....i didn't even enjoy it very much.
In context - i'd never played any Zelda other than Phantom Hourglass, and so when the opportunity presented itself after getting a GBA i tried Minish Cap first, then LttP. I actually enjoyed Minish Cap and so after all the hype about LttP i thought i'd love it. However i just found it to be a mostly plot free (well other than the over arching theme) exercise in similar dungeons and rinse repeat puzzling. It didn't hold my attention at all and as a game in and of itself today i found it really dull, especially compared to Minish Cap (which i'd just finished).
I honestly think that it's one of those "time of your life" games. If you didn't experience it in or around it's era of release you won't feel the magic, and it's then just a bit of a trawl.
In context - i'd never played any Zelda other than Phantom Hourglass, and so when the opportunity presented itself after getting a GBA i tried Minish Cap first, then LttP. I actually enjoyed Minish Cap and so after all the hype about LttP i thought i'd love it. However i just found it to be a mostly plot free (well other than the over arching theme) exercise in similar dungeons and rinse repeat puzzling. It didn't hold my attention at all and as a game in and of itself today i found it really dull, especially compared to Minish Cap (which i'd just finished).
I honestly think that it's one of those "time of your life" games. If you didn't experience it in or around it's era of release you won't feel the magic, and it's then just a bit of a trawl.
PrimaNocta
Member
It was torture, but I fought my way through.
Years ago half way thru the game I ended up letting a cousin borrow ocarina. He "lost" it. never re-purchased but kept up to date with all others. I did just buy it with my 3DS purchase, but haven't cracked it open yet. Plan on finally beating it this month.
Ventilaator
Banned
People who think that people like Demon's/Dark Souls to be cool are idiots who shouldn't be allowed to say things.
Most RTS games have about as much strategy to them as tic-tacs have calories. This includes Starcraft 2.
Amnesia stops being scary right after a monster kills you for the first time. After that, the monsters are annoying roadblocks in a mediocre adventure game.
Burnout Paradise is the only game with good DLC that's completely worth it. Bethesda's DLC comes close. That's it.
A game can only be thought of as the greatest game of all time if someone who didn't play it when it came out can play it many years later and still see what's amazing about it. With that in mind, Half Life 2 should not appear in a list of the 100 greatest games of all time.
Adding the original Half-Life or Episode 2 on said list though is perfectly fine.
Most RTS games have about as much strategy to them as tic-tacs have calories. This includes Starcraft 2.
Amnesia stops being scary right after a monster kills you for the first time. After that, the monsters are annoying roadblocks in a mediocre adventure game.
Burnout Paradise is the only game with good DLC that's completely worth it. Bethesda's DLC comes close. That's it.
A game can only be thought of as the greatest game of all time if someone who didn't play it when it came out can play it many years later and still see what's amazing about it. With that in mind, Half Life 2 should not appear in a list of the 100 greatest games of all time.
Adding the original Half-Life or Episode 2 on said list though is perfectly fine.
Obsidian is the best RPG developer.
I did not like Uncharted 2 (nor Gears of War nor Vanquish nor any other 3rd person shooter with a cover system).
I find vast majority of Sony's 1st party lineup unappealing.
MGS1-3 are absolute garbage in every aspect minus graphics and soundtrack. So are GTA games (all of them).
iPad seems to be the more attractive handheld gaming platform (in terms of library) than either Vita or 3DS and will be so at least for another year.
DS and PS2 are very low on my list of the best gaming platforms.
I did not like Uncharted 2 (nor Gears of War nor Vanquish nor any other 3rd person shooter with a cover system).
I find vast majority of Sony's 1st party lineup unappealing.
MGS1-3 are absolute garbage in every aspect minus graphics and soundtrack. So are GTA games (all of them).
iPad seems to be the more attractive handheld gaming platform (in terms of library) than either Vita or 3DS and will be so at least for another year.
DS and PS2 are very low on my list of the best gaming platforms.
Super Smash Bro
Banned
I've seen some pretty controversial opinions in this thread, but "people who have opinions I don't like shouldn't be allowed to voice them" probably takes the cake.
TaroYamada
Member
whalleywhat
Member
"You only like this thing to impress people/seem cool." isn't an opinion, it's a claim which can be proven false. No one has to respect your baseless accusation.
Why do people spoiler tag text that doesn't contain spoilers? Is it the same trendies that pretend to like Dark Souls?
Haha, come on, seriously. Did you expect me to say the above and NOT put some text into a spoiler here, thereby negating any ire caused by my transgression while also showing off by using "ire" and "transgression"