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[StuBurns]

But seeing now bought Sucker Punch, and so far all their games were made by contract through Sony exclusively, why exclude it when none of their games will ever appear on any other platforms? We're talking semantics here, especially when you're playing double standards here by saying there are only first part and third party games and technically inFamous was first party.

I wasn't implying InFamous doesn't count. It's published by Sony. I was saying if Gears doesn't, I don't believe InFamous should, but I do count Gears.

I don't see what's semantic about it really. If it's published by MS, it counts, if it's not, it doesn't. That's what I believe should be counted.

The only arguable stuff to me are things like Ninja Gaiden 2, where they were published by Microsoft for a limited period, then published by a third party. But personally, I don't think it's a good game, so I didn't really consider it regardless of it's status as first party.

 

[Curufinwe]

Halo 3 as a single player game played on Heroic is mediocre and very disappointing. Missions 8: Cortana was especially annoying with all its Flood-related bullshit.

 

[Karuto]

Epic Games is in a position with their contract by Microsoft that if they wanted to, they could bring their series to the PS3 as is mentioned in that article I posted, so that insinuates that the contract only went so far as to say that Epic had to bring their games to Microsoft's system first and for a period of time. You couldn't do that with Halo or Fable because Microsoft owns the properties and it would be illegal for them to (not to mention, of course, Microsoft owns Lionhead). With inFamous, just like Resistance, Sony owns those properties, which is why you see a Resistance game on the Vita not being developed by the folks at Insomniac.

 

[StuBurns]

Epic Games is in a position with their contract by Microsoft that if they wanted to, they could bring their series to the PS3 as is mentioned in that article I posted, so that insinuates that the contract only went so far as to say that Epic had to bring their games to Microsoft's system first and for a period of time. You couldn't do that with Halo or Fable because Microsoft owns the properties and it would be illegal for them to (not to mention, of course, Microsoft owns Lionhead). With inFamous, just like Resistance, Sony owns those properties, which is why you see a Resistance game on the Vita not being developed by the folks at Insomniac.

None of that changes the fact that Gears was published, and funded by Microsoft. Anything could happen, look at what happened with Rare's N64 games coming to 360, or Sega titles on Wii emulation. The possible future is completely irrelevant. What matters is who published the games when they were released.

 

[IrishNinja]

I really enjoyed Too Human. A lot.

i don't think anyone should tell you your enjoyment of almost any game is controversial, you'd have to come in and say "better than Diablo 2" or something to warrant that.

 

[ultron87]

The original version of Metal Gear Solid 3 is kind of terrible.

It is only an amazing game once you get the fixed camera in Subsistence.

 

[Bioloff]

i don't think anyone should tell you your enjoyment of almost any game is controversial, you'd have to come in and say "better than Diablo 2" or something to warrant that.

I haven't played Diablo II, but I really enjoyed the fluid combat, controls, and loot whore aspect of Too Human.

I played the crap out of it with my friend too (Co-Op and all) and I ended up getting every achievement in the game.

Not one of my favorites, but memorable indeed. I also liked the story and wanted to see what they are going to do with it, however I don't think anything will ever come of it at this point. The last few levels were pretty boring and repetitive though.

The original version of Metal Gear Solid 3 is kind of terrible.

It is only an amazing game once you get the fixed camera in Subsistence.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I really only enjoyed the game for what it was during the remake playthrough I recently had. But it wasn't for the controls, it was for the framerate and the bland coloring on the PS2. I mean come on...

 

[xHAASx]

Halo 3 as a single player game played on Heroic is mediocre and very disappointing. Missions 8: Cortana was especially annoying with all its Flood-related bullshit.

That one was infuriating, on Legendary.

 

[haikira]

I feel like i don't have my finger on the pulse of the gaf community well enough, to know when some of these are actually controversial or not. Any none controversial posts are unintentional though and not just for a joke.

I'd consider myself very open minded. I can't say there's really any popular games that i could completely slam, as in most cases i can see why other people enjoy them. So most of my controversial opinions are underrated/hated games that i liked. Or at the worst i'd put the order of games in a series in controversial order.



Resident Evil 2 - By far the best in the series.

Uncharted 1 - Best in the series.

Silent Hill: Origins (Silent Hill 0) - I actually thought this was a damn good game. Didn't put the PSP down until i finished it. It's no SH1-3. But still a great game.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Seriously underrated. I loved this game. I will admit though. It could have benefited from being cut down to a slightly shorter length. It drags a little in the middle. But i had real blast with the game. Worth every penny.

Also. That ending......So good.

Nintendo 64 Controller - So bad.

InFamous - I actually like a lot about this game. I think the story and characters were fine. But I've never found combat less fun in a game before. I actually wouldn't mind just watching someone complete it.

Heavy Rain - One hell of an experience. While i'd hate for gaming to become over saturated with games like it. I think we could do with something similar every so often.

Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory>>Conviction>>Splinter Cell>>Double Agent>>Pandora Tomorrow

Battlefield - Bad Company 2>>Battlefield 3

 

[TheChits]

I really enjoyed Too Human. A lot.

Yep. I actually think Too Human is one of the funnest games of the generation, and it's a damn shame that a sequel will never come.

 

[Karuto]

Yep. I actually think Too Human is one of the funnest games of the generation, and it's a damn shame that a sequel will never come.

I talked to Dennis Dyack in line at a concert at E3 2010. He said they're still working on the sequels.

None of that changes the fact that Gears was published, and funded by Microsoft. Anything could happen, look at what happened with Rare's N64 games coming to 360, or Sega titles on Wii emulation. The possible future is completely irrelevant. What matters is who published the games when they were released.

Difference is, Sony owns the rights to inFamous, Resistance, and thatgamecompany's titles like Flower and Journey. Microsoft does not own the rights to Gears of War. Big difference. And we're also talking about first-party games in the past, and what you said would categorize all those games as Sony's. Of Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Halo, only Halo and the first Mass Effect qualify as a first-party Microsoft property (though EA does own the rights to the PC version). Those are simply facts.

 

[Riposte]

I talked to Dennis Dyack in line at a concert at E3 2010. He said they're still working on the sequels.

He forgot to mention he is doing it in his basement for the ios market.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

I have no problem with QTEs. I rather like them and think they add a touch of flair.

 

[Derrick01]

Battlefield - Bad Company 2>>Battlefield 3

Completely agree.

I stayed away from BF3 on PC because of Origin while all of my friends moved from BC2 to that. Not even 2 weeks later they were crawling back to BC2 with me because of how much they hated 3. Too much sniping and even more vehicle whoring than in BC2 was some of the stuff I remember them complaining about.

I mean I won't lie at first I was kind of upset that I was going to miss BF3 but I was simply not going to support EA's shit system. But as the game got closer to release and more and more negative stuff was coming out of the beta I felt much better about missing it, to the point where I didn't even care. The shit part is I know when BC3 comes out they will force Origin there too, that one's going to hurt.

 

[xHAASx]

Metal Gear Solid 2 is hands down the best of the series. It's not even close.

Of the same view.

 

[Karuto]

If you didn't grow up with the Battlefield series, of course you'd crawl back to BC2. They may have the same name in the title, but you're talking about a difference in map sizes, vehicles selection, guns, etc. "Sniping' and "vehicle whoring" is classic Battlefield. Battlelog is an amazing service that I'm glad EA focused on delivering. I don't see anything wrong with Origin, personally, as I feel it's just people whining simply because it is EA doing that. Look at the dozen other digital services and tell me they're in the wrong. Not to mention, Steam does have predatory practices, believe it or not, when it comes to content such as DLC that's a good enough reason for a publisher to want to move away from Steam until they change their minds.

And the fact Steam was hacked and the story has blown up again recently shows me it isn't as secure as people made it out to be.

 

[NonexistentK]

It's not an original pov that hasn't been voiced before or anything but Sony's entry into console market was one of the worst things ever happened to the gaming scene.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

It's not an original pov that hasn't been voiced before or anything but Sony's entry into console market was one of the worst things ever happened to the gaming scene.

How so?

 

[Ricky_R]

It's not an original pov that hasn't been voiced before or anything but Sony's entry into console market was one of the worst things ever happened to the gaming scene.

How so?

haha beaten...

 

[Gazzawa]

I've never had more fun with a multiplayer shooter than with Modern Warfare 2.
Unbalance = Fun
n00b tubes across the map
over and over

 

[Derrick01]

If you didn't grow up with the Battlefield series, of course you'd crawl back to BC2. They may have the same name in the title, but you're talking about a difference in map sizes, vehicles selection, guns, etc. "Sniping' and "vehicle whoring" is classic Battlefield. Battlelog is an amazing service that I'm glad EA focused on delivering. I don't see anything wrong with Origin, personally, as I feel it's just people whining simply because it is EA doing that. Look at the dozen other digital services and tell me they're in the wrong. Not to mention, Steam does have predatory practices, believe it or not, when it comes to content such as DLC that's a good enough reason for a publisher to want to move away from Steam until they change their minds.

And the fact Steam was hacked and the story has blown up again recently shows me it isn't as secure as people made it out to be.

You mean the other services that treat me well like Amazon and Greenmangaming? I use them to buy my steamworks games. I will not use EA's spyware program or even worse give them my CC details just to play a few games that are copies of other popular games.

And EA has been hacked far more than Steam, with much less security than Steam has. The steam hacking situation has only come up again because Gabe gave us an update on the old situation, something that most companies including EA wouldn't bother to do. They would be praying people forgot about it.

Hell one branch of EA was hacked only a week or two ago and we didn't get any information from them. Some say it was only UK accounts, some say it's only specific games...bottom line is no one knows because EA swept it under a rug and never really gave a detailed report. I had to pretty much just say fuck it and change my password because I had no idea if I was affected or not.

And these people want my CC details and to use their shitty copycat program. Not a chance in hell.

 

[Karuto]

It's not an original pov that hasn't been voiced before or anything but Sony's entry into console market was one of the worst things ever happened to the gaming scene.

Yeah, competition is a real bitch sometimes. lol

And EA has been hacked far more than Steam, with much less security than Steam has. The steam hacking situation has only come up again because Gabe gave us an update on the old situation, something that most companies including EA wouldn't bother to do. They would be praying people forgot about it.

Difference here is that they're saying that credit card and personal information may have been stolen, as opposed to the EA hacks where it was only passwords that were manipulated. Gabe gave an update because it was far more serious than they originally thought. Origin has yet to be hacked other than the kind of stuff that has been happening for Steam since the beginning of their service - being able to play Origin-only games on hacked servers. As far as the "spyware" fiasco is concerned, that was completely overblown. Nothing EA collects is personally identifiable and isn't sent to EA. The stuff they look at is the same stuff Steam looks at. Considering how many people hate EA, it's wonder there hasn't been some huge security breach yet, but there has been nothing reported. You can say they swept something under the rug, but I have yet to read it in any online media outlets either aside from the aforementioned forum hacking going on that isn't really their fault and more the fault of people too lazy to use complex passwords.

 

[xHAASx]

I've never had more fun with a multiplayer shooter than with Modern Warfare 2.
Unbalance = Fun
n00b tubes across the map
over and over

Reality. Not disputable.

 

[Derrick01]

How so?

It's an argument I see quite a bit from people who like gameplay and gameplay only. Not so much nintendo fanboys as people who preferred it when everything was an arcadey and short experience.

I'm on the opposite. PS1 showed me that gaming could be more than the limited experience I was getting with Mario and other genres.

 

[Muerte_X]

Nintendo should be a third party and stop making crappy consoles...

 

[xHAASx]

Nintendo should be a third party and stop making crappy consoles...

They ought to.

 

[Riposte]

It's an argument I see quite a bit from people who like gameplay and gameplay only. Not so much nintendo fanboys as people who preferred it when everything was an arcadey and short experience.

I'm on the opposite. PS1 showed me that gaming could be more than the limited experience I was getting with Mario and other genres.

The Fire Emblem series, the Zelda series, and Metroid series, among others, speaks to how stupid these generalizations are.

(And then you got the fact that FF7, the big one, wasn't even that much of a departure to what was already being done in FF games and other JRPGs on the SNES.)


EDIT: Short of game breaking glitches and hacks, MW2 was most fun to me when it was broken. I was an early adapter of things like the care-package speed builds and finding spots which let you consistently hold down domination points with tubes+OMA from literally the other side of the map. A real guilty pleasure.

Also I liked the TPS mode more, especially when you factored in the "tactical" rule sets.

 

[massoluk]

I have not played Psychonaut because I hate the artstyle. I thinks it's butt ugly. It reminds me of ANTZ and I hate the art from that movie.

 

[Gazzawa]

Reality. Not disputable.

After every game "Man that was some b*llsh!t...but I'll play one more round"
I don't think there will ever be another like it(happiness-wise).

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I really enjoyed Too Human. A lot.

You Jyettis's alt?

 

[xHAASx]

After every game "Man that was some b*llsh!t...but I'll play one more round"
I don't think there will ever be another like it(happiness-wise).

It's just diverting, similar to nothing else.

 

[LosDaddie]

-Achievements are one the best ideas to come out of this generation.

-Mario Galaxy will go down as a classic.

I meant if we were just comparing consoles objectively and not just opinion, and I don't feel like games that I can play on a superior format should count as an exclusive. Exclusive means 1 platform.

But if we were ignoring PC for some reason and just comparing the two consoles then I guess it counts. But I don't know why we'd ignore PC. It's as viable a gaming platform as any of the others.

:lol Reminds of me the arguments on System WArs.

If it's a X360 vs PS3 debate, then it doesn't matter if a game can be played on the PC. All that matters is that said game can't be played on the other console.

 

[Derrick01]

:lol Reminds of me the arguments on System WArs.

If it's a X360 vs PS3 debate, then it doesn't matter if a game can be played on the PC. All that matters is that said game can't be played on the other console.

I don't know, blatantly ignoring another platform to try to pass off some games as exclusives for bragging rights over another console seems like the type of stuff I saw on system wars.

It would be one thing if that other platform was the wii, where the games would be so much worse due to being underpowered, but we're talking about a platform where the games are actually better.

I was in a situation where I was ready to buy another console last holiday season (both died). I already had a gaming PC, so I sat back and said which one has the most past and present exclusives for me? The answer was easily PS3. Almost everything else was either on PC or they were console exclusive games (something like Vanquish) that I could get on PS3.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

-Mario Galaxy will go down as a classic.

How would this be considered controversial?

 

[Karuto]

Could say the same about this:

-Achievements are one the best ideas to come out of this generation.

You'll find very, very few people complaining about this one, and it's mostly just people that need things to complain about. Although, achievements aren't really a new thing considering the PC has had it for a while.

 

[iapetus]

The gaming world would be a better place right now if Nintendo had gone third party and Sega had continued making hardware.

 

[Jokeropia]

I believe that FFVII and Chrono Cross are compared poorly to their Nintendo predecessors FF VI and Trigger by mostly Nintendo supporters who hate the fact those sequels made the switch to Sony consoles. In a gist, it's Nintendo supporters who hate on those two games so much on the forums.

Conversely, I say FFVII is so highly regarded primarily because it was the first FF (or even first RPG) for so many. It's still a good game, but behind VI, IX and possibly IV in my eyes.

Chrono Cross on the other hand is an abomination and as far as I can tell doesn't have a fan base comparable to the other three in the first place.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

I fucking hate, nay, despise Nintendo for dragging in the casual gaming scum and making it acceptable to launch shit underpowered hardware..(is that the next Xbox i hear crawling out from its Kinnect infested,6670 powered, hole of mediocrity).

Fuck you Nintendo.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I fucking hate, nay, despise Nintendo for dragging in the casual gaming scum and making it acceptable to launch shit underpowered hardware..(is that the next Xbox i hear crawling out from its Kinnect infested,6670 powered, hole of mediocrity).

Fuck you Nintendo.

Er.

There were casuals gaming long before the Wii. Who do you think bought all the Singstar games, Guitar Hero games and annual sports title rehashes for Mega Drive, SNES, PS1 and N64?

 

[Orayn]

I fucking hate, nay, despise Nintendo for dragging in the casual gaming scum and making it acceptable to launch shit underpowered hardware..(is that the next Xbox i hear crawling out from its Kinnect infested,6670 powered, hole of mediocrity).

Fuck you Nintendo.

1. Casual gamers have always been around, they were just chronically under-served until the last five years or so. Are they really worse than you just because they have different taste in games?
2. You know the 6670 rumors are dubious and unconfirmed, right?

 

[HamPster PamPster]

PSP in 2012 is better than the Vita in 2012.

Black Rock Shooter, Gungnir, Grands Knight History, Growslander IV and Hakuoki... I wish all dead systems were this entertaining

 

[Karuto]

PSP in 2012 is better than the Vita in 2012.

Black Rock Shooter, Gungnir, Grands Knight History, Growslander IV and Hakuoki... I wish all dead systems were this entertaining

But all those will have digital releases that you can buy on the Vita, and play at a higher resolution. Is it really so different?

 

[cbox]

Er.

There were casuals gaming long before the Wii. Who do you think bought all the Singstar games, Guitar Hero games and annual sports title rehashes for Mega Drive, SNES, PS1 and N64?

That's fine and dandy, I'm a casual gamer too sometimes - but the entire industry shouldn't be geared towards them.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

That's fine and dandy, I'm a casual gamer too sometimes - but the entire industry shouldn't be geared towards them.

And it isn't. How many casual gamers are playing stuff like Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress, Demon's Souls etc.?

 

[LosDaddie]

I don't know, blatantly ignoring another platform to try to pass off some games as exclusives for bragging rights over another console seems like the type of stuff I saw on system wars.

:lol
It's not ignoring the PC, at all actually. It's a debate between 2 consoles. No need to bring the PC into the discussion. Doesn't matter if a certain game(s) can be played on PC if it cannot be played on the competing console.

It's really not difficult to grasp.

I was in a situation where I was ready to buy another console last holiday season (both died). I already had a gaming PC, so I sat back and said which one has the most past and present exclusives for me? The answer was easily PS3. Almost everything else was either on PC or they were console exclusive games (something like Vanquish) that I could get on PS3.

Right. And for someone with a gaming PC, the PS3 might be better option. For many console-only gamers, like myself, the choice may not be so clear.

 

[LosDaddie]

How would this be considered controversial?

Well, there is a vocal group who claim that SM64 was the pinnacle of 3D Marios.

Could say the same about this:

You'll find very, very few people complaining about this one, and it's mostly just people that need things to complain about. Although, achievements aren't really a new thing considering the PC has had it for a while.

Again, there is a vocal group who claim that cheevos have ruined gaming. But I do think online cheevos need to go away. Like the ones in Halo 3 that counted on a certain amount of luck to get. I don't mind the "Play X Amount of X Gametype" online cheevos. Those just require some dedication.

I fucking hate, nay, despise Nintendo for dragging in the casual gaming scum and making it acceptable to launch shit underpowered hardware..(is that the next Xbox i hear crawling out from its Kinnect infested,6670 powered, hole of mediocrity).

Fuck you Nintendo.

I know it's already been addressed, but the casual market has always been there. Nintendo realized this with the DS selling gangbuster amounts of Brain Age. The Wii just sought out the casual market moreso than in the past.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Something is not exclusive if it is on the PC. Mass Effect 1 is not a 360 exclusive.

 

[Enco]

Minecraft sucks.
All JRPGs suck (from random combat to girly boys).
Nintendo make no interesting games (at least very few to me).
Nintendo lagging with technology is a joke.
Good graphics are pretty freakin important.
Tank controls ruined DR2 and RE5. Capcom sucks from not learning.
Fighting/sports/racing/dungeon crawler games are boring as hell.
Most of my top games are PS3 exclusives (not really controversial but many probably aren't the same)

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Well, there is a vocal group who claim that SM64 was the pinnacle of 3D Marios.

Mario 64 isn't even a particularly good Mario game as far as I'm concerned, let alone the best 3D Mario.

 

[Derrick01]

Something is not exclusive if it is on the PC. Mass Effect 1 is not a 360 exclusive.

This is what I thought too. Apparently it doesn't matter if the two sides are fighting with each other.

Ok so since we're talking consoles only does Dead Rising count as 360 exclusive when it's on the Wii?