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Commodore

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gcubed said:
I know I'm late to answer this, I meant solely from a market share and consumer focus perspective. I think a big test is going to be how the 900/910 does in the US.
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Just below you:

godelsmetric: the nokia W7 phones are the first thing that's tempting me away from an iphone

i think i'll wait for the iphone 5 and then reassess the situation

the lumia 900 is so niiice
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It's those responses I keep reading that encourage me. But, agreed, big litmus test.
 
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gcubed

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Commodore said:
Just below you:



It's those responses I keep reading that encourage me. But, agreed, big litmus test.
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yup, its the first phone i think that really "stands out". Beyond that WP8 will allow for more form factors and to catch up in power "mindshare" even though its smoother then Android. That should help as well.

I'm curious to see how it performs. Nokia kinda lost mindshare in America in the smartphone era (i guess since the original razr). If Barnes and Noble successfully fights back against MS i think it could hurt their WP adoption though. I'm sure other 3rd parties dont like the Nokia/MS family but make their phones because of the licensing agreements.
 
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giga

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PG2G said:
Ah, a Metro Firefox for Windows 8 already in the works. Here's to hoping that all the Windows Phone 8 rumors are true, would love to see these sorts of apps trickle down to the phone :p
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Unless they relax open source requirements like they did for the Windows Store, I wouldn't expect it. It's the same reason they don't support the mac or ios app store.
 
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PG2G

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There are open source issues in the Windows Phone Marketplace? I thought the only thing that kept them from WP was the lack of native code.
 
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Magni

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brotkasten said:
Funny you mention photosynth, because it's a Microsoft application and the team promised to deliver one for Windows Phone, once Mango was out.

Perhaps they forgot about it.
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That's exactly why I mentioned it. It's smart for Microsoft to release stuff on other platforms, but being a WP user should at least have some perks. (like the Halo apps for example).

Shit like this is inexcusable.
 
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AstroNut325

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Hello,

I have now officially joined the WP7 family! Well... not me, but my wife has with the Nokia 710 I bought her. Anyways... what are the best SMS/messaging apps for WP7?

I'm leaning towards Kik or Whatapp since I can get those apps on Symbian (I still rock a Nokia Astound/C7).
 
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Magni

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AstroNut325 said:
Hello,

I have now officially joined the WP7 family! Well... not me, but my wife has with the Nokia 710 I bought her. Anyways... what are the best SMS/messaging apps for WP7?

I'm leaning towards Kik or Whatapp since I can get those apps on Symbian (I still rock a Nokia Astound/C7).
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My girlfriend and I use Kik, works great (some UI bugs need to be fixed, but the actual messaging part works great). Only other one that I know of is Whatsapp, haven't really used it.
 
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Milchjon

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I use Whatsapp, since all my friends use it on their iPhones/Androids. It's not quite as good as it is on other OSs, but it works well enough.
 
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Walshicus

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Bumped into a Lumia 800 owner on the train to Chichester today. Asked him how he was finding it and he was pretty happy - he was persuaded by the shop assistant it seemed.

Anecdotal, but bodes well I guess.
 
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PG2G

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Important to note that Whatsapp is only free for the first year ($1.99/year after that), which is really lame. Wish people would move to Kik instead.
 
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Klocker

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VanMardigan said:
There are new phones coming to Verizon later this year, but aside from the Lumia 710, we don't know which ones or when. So you have two options if you want to get a WP7 device:

1. Go with the Trophy (a fine phone that also happens to be almost a year old, which is why its budget priced)

2. Wait until MWC at the end of the month to see if any Verizon announcements are made, then decide if you want to wait or get the Trophy

Performance won't be a problem with the Trophy, all WP7 devices run the OS perfectly fine. But there are already second gen devices out (slightly better CPU's, much better GPU's, front facing cameras, etc.) and the third gen ones are due by the end of the year, although Verizon has been content to mostly ignore Windows Phone so its hard for any of us to give you guidance on whether to wait or not.
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Damn... had a friend on Verizon ask me today which phones he should buy... was a possible Windows Phone convert I oniy had to say the word as he and his wife ar smartphone virgins... but I just could not do it... I thought the Trophy was DOA and Verizon would have just laughted at them had they walked into store and sold them some Droids.

told him to get 2 iPhones. If Verizon only had a Nokia or Focus or Titan...
 
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Commodore

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Klocker said:
Damn... had a friend on Verizon ask me today which phones he should buy... was a possible Windows Phone convert I oniy had to say the word as he and his wife ar smartphone virgins... but I just could not do it... I thought the Trophy was DOA and Verizon would have just laughted at them had they walked into store and sold them some Droids.

told him to get 2 iPhones. If Verizon only had a Nokia or Focus or Titan...
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Do we have bets up and down Verizon will announce something for MWC? If so, I give it a 15% chance they'll cave to our 1-2% marketshare.
 
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PG2G

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Paul Thurott rumored (back with the Lumia 900 leaks) that Verizon would be getting a Nokia 710. There are rumors going around of a Lumia 730, which would have LTE. If that actually pans out, I wouldn't be surprised if it went to Verizon.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I'm not being obtuse, I just honestly don't know what the difference is between IM like MSN and the text messages from a functional standpoint. I know about the technical differences (data vs. cell), but I don't know what you guys mean when you say using Whatsapp (which I've never used) vs. the built in MSN are functionally different.
 
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Firestorm

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VanMardigan said:
I'm not being obtuse, I just honestly don't know what the difference is between IM like MSN and the text messages from a functional standpoint. I know about the technical differences (data vs. cell), but I don't know what you guys mean when you say using Whatsapp (which I've never used) vs. the built in MSN are functionally different.
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WhatsApp can never be signed out of whereas unless they're on Windows Phone (I assume) they may not receive your IM from MSN until much later.
 
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Magni

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IM is more for when people are online at the same time and actively talking (though Kik, and Whatsapp (?), do that too), whereas messaging apps are for when you need to send a message to someone's phone (without using email as that's overkill). Stuff like the "sent/delivered/read" notifications are great for that, pretty useless in instant messaging.

In other news,

Don’t waste the best years of your life w/ a phone you don’t love. Tweet #DumpingMyDroid for a chance at a new start http://newwp.it/wV0sxy
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https://twitter.com/#!/windowsphone/status/169254535112572928
 
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Lesiroth

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http://www.liveside.net/2012/02/11/recap-of-what-we-know-about-windows-phone-tango/

So I bumped into this site listing currently known details/rumors about Tango, and then this detail caught my eye:

Developers will be able to target Tango or Windows Phone 7.5 going forward, or both, and users of the new low-end systems will basically be able to access a subset of the existing Windows Phone Marketplace apps selection.
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A subset? Because the WP Marketplace was doing so damn well so far, huh?

Fragmentation, take 2?
 
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brotkasten

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maeh2k

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My sister, who's not exactly technically versed, will soon replace her HTC Desire. Yesterday we were at a store and looked at some of the phones. I tried to get her to choose a Windows Phone, but to no avail...

She had already seen the UI as both my mother and me have Optimus 7s and somehow she prefers her sluggish HTC Sense-infested Desire UI to the tile-look. Also she seems to really want the Smileys in the Android WhatsApp app, as opposed to the flattened, plain-colored ones of the WP version...

Thought the Nokia phones might convince her, but she didn't like the shape of the Lumia 800...

Overall she prefered the Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Sensation without even looking the software they were running.

She won't buy the phone quite yet. I might still get her on price since this time the phone costs won't be hidden within the contract but she'll probably just buy a phone off contract. In that case the Lumia 710 or the HTC Radar offer a pretty good value.
 
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maeh2k said:
My sister, who's not exactly technically versed, will soon replace her HTC Desire. Yesterday we were at a store and looked at some of the phones. I tried to get her to choose a Windows Phone, but to no avail...

She had already seen the UI as both my mother and me have Optimus 7s and somehow she prefers her sluggish HTC Sense-infested Desire UI to the tile-look. Also she seems to really want the Smileys in the Android WhatsApp app, as opposed to the flattened, plain-colored ones of the WP version...

Thought the Nokia phones might convince her, but she didn't like the shape of the Lumia 800...

Overall she prefered the Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Sensation without even looking the software they were running.

She won't buy the phone quite yet. I might still get her on price since this time the phone costs won't be hidden within the contract but she'll probably just buy a phone off contract. In that case the Lumia 710 or the HTC Radar offer a pretty good value.
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Sounds like she's happy with Android, despite it being less polished. Why try and convert her?
 
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Milchjon

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brotkasten said:
Because it needs a constant data connection to work and that obviously drains the battery faster, so it's off by default.
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Noob question: If I have several background tasks that use a data connections (Whatsapp, Messenger hub, Facebook...), do they add up in their battery use, or doesn't it really matter how many I use at the same time if I use at least one?
 
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MagniHarvald said:
IM is more for when people are online at the same time and actively talking (though Kik, and Whatsapp (?), do that too), whereas messaging apps are for when you need to send a message to someone's phone (without using email as that's overkill). Stuff like the "sent/delivered/read" notifications are great for that, pretty useless in instant messaging.
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In windows phone though they appear the exact same to you.... Me and a few of my friends only use live messenger now instead of txt. Has allowed me to drop to the lowest txt plan and the experience is identical. Hoping skype will also function well for this but we will know soon enough.
 
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maeh2k

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kinggroin said:
Sounds like she's happy with Android, despite it being less polished. Why try and convert her?
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Because people don't know what they want.
In my opinion WP is better for a lot of people including my sister. And since all those people don't know anything about the different platforms and especially about Windows Phone someone should tell them.

She doesn't think as much in terms of platforms. When she bought the thing she didn't even know it ran Android. It was just an HTC phone.
She uses it mostly for stuff like messaging, facebook and a bit of navigation (which the nokia phones offer). I think WP could handle her use cases at least as well as Android if not better, with its deep integration of facebook.

In addition I think this walled-garden approach would be better suited. My sister certainly doesn't know what kind of access to her data the programs have and how to stay clear of malware.
E.g. some time ago she used some music program on Android with which you can download music for free. That's just accessible via the market place and a friend told her about it. I had never heard of the program and I wasn't even sure it was legal. She wasn't really concerned with what program exactly she installed nor was she aware about some of the potential dangers.
 
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PG2G

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Milchjon said:
Noob question: If I have several background tasks that use a data connections (Whatsapp, Messenger hub, Facebook...), do they add up in their battery use, or doesn't it really matter how many I use at the same time if I use at least one?
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Push Notifications all come to the phone over a single connection. Background tasks would have their own connections. That said, apps like Whatsapp and Facebook use push notifications, not Background Tasks.
 
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