That's pretty much how it's going to be until E3. Sucks I know.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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That's pretty much how it's going to be until E3. Sucks I know.
IceDoesntHelp
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We need another (proper) Pokemon Stadium. I want transfar my Pokemon into the game, so I can use them, or I can make my own team out of all the existing Pokemon. Fight gym leaders and face the Elite Four. The mini-games were a nice addition as well.
GDC is just around the corner!
Though I think we have a better chance of a leak in March than an official release of information.
I want them to get down 3DS/Wii-U connectivity, because I want their to be a Pokemon Stadium 3 for Wii-U where all the functions from Stadium 1, and 2 are present.
It'd be pretty crazy if they added where you can stream your 3DS Pokemon game directly to the TV with the Wii-U.
GDC? (I must be out of the loop)
It'd be pretty crazy if they added where you can stream your 3DS Pokemon game directly to the TV with the Wii-U.
GDC? (I must be out of the loop)
AceBandage
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Game Developer Conference
StreetsAhead
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There'll be a Nintendo Direct at the end of March, too (though that'll focus on 3DS most likely).
Uh... I think that's where we got a DS zelda or two. And maybe 3DLand?
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
As big as you want them to be baby (;
It'll be fabulous 3DS news that people are happy for but not excited about because we'll be screaming GETTOTHEGODDAMNWIIU...and then after an hour of that, Iwata will finally say, "Regarding the Wii U -" and then be cut off by static, the image being replaced by Reggie's unwavering smile and piercing gaze. For 45 minutes, the man will stare into us, through us, his eyes like tiny twin laser beams boring through every last layer of our cognitive sanity as we bare our souls to him, offered up as sacrifice in blind hope for some small tiny morsel of real, tangible news.
And then...and then at the end, he'll simply mutter, "Wait till E3."
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I have nightmares about that exact same thing..
StreetsAhead
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Last year's reveals:
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/03/iwata-keynote/
Hey, so long as we hear something about Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and/or Mario Tennis I'm good. Wii U can wait.
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Damnit, share all your secrets!
EDIT: OT but holy what!? Japan has only two 3DS games announced for FY12Q1 (FE and Mario&Sonic)?
ClovingWestbrook
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Its going to be very interesting to see how the 3DS/Wii U interact in comparison with the Vita/PS3 & PS4
Lord Ghirahim
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AceBandage
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Eh? No.
It's already gotten more than that, and there's quite a few announced that are coming out soon.
3DS one is single player focused or something...
AceBandage
Banned
MGS5 and Mother 4? A bit much, dude.
Seriously.
It's going to be called Earthbound 2: Electric Boogaloo.
So let's think about this for a sec:
- Nintendo is seemingly making their online network for 3DS/Wii U more unified
- 3DS/Wii U connectivity in mind
- Plans for cross-platform content between 3DS/Wii U
They might as well just represent both systems under the same brand. Why not change the name of Wii U to Nintendo HDS? Dual meaning! High Definition System and Home DS. (I don't remember this being suggested yet -- sorry if I missed it like a nub.) It wouldn't necessarily be too confusing, the same way the iPad isn't necessarily confused with the iPod. I mean, it has the same kind of obvious differentiation: one's the big one and the other's the small one. At least this way no one will think it's just a new controller for the Wii. Then in ads all they have to do is mention that HDS is "backwards compatible with all Wii games and accessories" and also plaster it on every side of the box so it can't be missed. Solved.
Or they could just call it the Nintendo SnuggleBunny and call it a day.
- Nintendo is seemingly making their online network for 3DS/Wii U more unified
- 3DS/Wii U connectivity in mind
- Plans for cross-platform content between 3DS/Wii U
They might as well just represent both systems under the same brand. Why not change the name of Wii U to Nintendo HDS? Dual meaning! High Definition System and Home DS. (I don't remember this being suggested yet -- sorry if I missed it like a nub.) It wouldn't necessarily be too confusing, the same way the iPad isn't necessarily confused with the iPod. I mean, it has the same kind of obvious differentiation: one's the big one and the other's the small one. At least this way no one will think it's just a new controller for the Wii. Then in ads all they have to do is mention that HDS is "backwards compatible with all Wii games and accessories" and also plaster it on every side of the box so it can't be missed. Solved.
Or they could just call it the Nintendo SnuggleBunny and call it a day.
I'd still buy it.
Really? I didn't realize that we knew that much about either of the games. If that's true, my hype just dropped considerably.
IceDoesntHelp
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Well its not like they have ever done a direct port of their console games when putting them on handhelds. It would need a completely different engine anyway, so what would be the point unless they were going to do something different from the console game?
Hm?
I quite honestly love some of the 8-bit/16-bit era games, LttP, Earthbound, SMB 1, 2, 3, the FF games, etc.
StreetsAhead
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(Talking Japan here) I was mistaken, looks like there's five slated for Q1 and a few 'Spring' titles.
"Currently Sakurai's thought process is focused on the notion that a portable experience is a more personal one. Only one player is likely to be using a portable system, and it might be interesting to allow that player to customize Smash Bros. fighters on the 3DS, which could then be brought over to the larger world of a home console Smash Bros. Sakurai's thinking is that an element of communication between the two versions will make both better. "
http://ds.ign.com/articles/117/1174428p1.html
Lord Ghirahim
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Portability, "transfarring". Getting to sell a port (remake?) of the game to millions of 3DS owners.
That sounds very disappointing.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Honestly sounds fine by me, am excite.
Ah thats right, was having a hard time remembering what was said about the game.
bgassassin
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Last year a dev told us that based on the amount of memory in the dev kit the final would have at least 1GB, but indicated Nintendo was targeting the max.
Fourth Storm
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I actually quite like this.
Don't mean to resurrect this topic, but... if all that the uPad were predominantly used for was to hold the HUD, I would be disappointed as all hell. In fact, that would make me regret buying the thing. So I hope folks are wrong when they suggest that this is how developers should mostly use it.
I'm prepared to be wrong, though. Sometimes I'm shocked by how often developers don't want to rock the boat.
I'm prepared to be wrong, though. Sometimes I'm shocked by how often developers don't want to rock the boat.
AceBandage
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At first, that'll mostly be what it's for. The port jobs being fairly quick and all.
Fourth Storm
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I like that Nintendo is leaving it entirely up to the devs. I'm sure some will go all out w/ exploring the controller's possibilities. Others may concentrate their energies in other areas and merely use the controller as an extension of an already intuitive traditional button config. Taking it on a case-by-case basis is the way to go.
There's definitely an old pattern of thinking that should have transitioned around the time of Wii (and perhaps DS) that really hasn't. It's the idea that a game or software has to make use of the whole of a system.
This made sense generations ago (or the current gen of HD consoles) but now that most systems are loaded with peripheral sensors, inputs and outputs it's really an outdated methodology. Like the 3DS doesn't fair so well using 3D and motion sensing, this isn't an oversight in the least, you can simply turn 3D off but it illustrates that you shouldn't try to use everything and instead use the different mechanisms as ingredients to your game. Likewise I don't expect or at least hope not to see Wii U games using motion sensing, touch screens and dual analog all at the same time. A smart dev will play it to their strengths. If that means going full dual analog and sticking a map on the second screen then that's fine. What I'd be far more worried about is the concept of "waggle" or unnecessarily trying to use novel features for the sake of using them.
This made sense generations ago (or the current gen of HD consoles) but now that most systems are loaded with peripheral sensors, inputs and outputs it's really an outdated methodology. Like the 3DS doesn't fair so well using 3D and motion sensing, this isn't an oversight in the least, you can simply turn 3D off but it illustrates that you shouldn't try to use everything and instead use the different mechanisms as ingredients to your game. Likewise I don't expect or at least hope not to see Wii U games using motion sensing, touch screens and dual analog all at the same time. A smart dev will play it to their strengths. If that means going full dual analog and sticking a map on the second screen then that's fine. What I'd be far more worried about is the concept of "waggle" or unnecessarily trying to use novel features for the sake of using them.
One genre I'm interested in on the Wii-U is team sports games like Madden, Fifa, and Pro Evolution Soccer. Picking plays on the touch screen is a given, but what about real time control? Developers should already be messing around with this on the Vita, but I was always disappointed that they never really tried with the DS.
One worry I have in general though is western third parties not knowing what to do with the touch screen. Some indie devs and most Japanese developers already have experience through the DS and iOS gaming, so they might actually be at an advantage. As usual it will probably take Nintendo to put out one of their franchise games as an example.
You know that's gonna happen for a lot of the early games, especially the third party ports.
By the way, out of all the ports confirmed to be coming, has anyone thought up useful touch screen uses for any of them?
One worry I have in general though is western third parties not knowing what to do with the touch screen. Some indie devs and most Japanese developers already have experience through the DS and iOS gaming, so they might actually be at an advantage. As usual it will probably take Nintendo to put out one of their franchise games as an example.
You know that's gonna happen for a lot of the early games, especially the third party ports.
By the way, out of all the ports confirmed to be coming, has anyone thought up useful touch screen uses for any of them?
AceBandage
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Well, no one's been able to say anything, really.
Though, Colonial Marines will supposedly use it as the body scanner, and Ghost Recon Online uses it for the flying camera thing.
I'm not suggesting that devs use every aspect of the controller in every game. What I am stating is that if there is something as uniquely diversified as a second screen on the controller and the best people seem to come up with is HUD placement, it will be a missed opportunity. A massive missed opportunity. If they don't want to use it, I can respect that to some extent - but when people throw out this, "I don't know what to do with it," I sort of shake my head in disgust. It means either they don't want to develop for the system at all, which I'd prefer they just say and get over with, or work their brains a bit more and see if there isn't something that a large touchscreen in the center of the controller could help with.
Because if someone tells me that it adds nothing, that there's no manner in which a game series could utilize it other than HUD screen... frankly, it sounds lazy or unimaginative.
bgassassin
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Well we saw it used for targeting in Killer Freaks, and GRO used it for a few different things. I don't think there is too much to worry about in redundant HUD usage.
I know, I know. Call it pessimism. But it's actually my biggest concern with this system, that it's potential will be completely unrealized. Just as it happened with the Wii.
bgassassin
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I kinda think the lack of 1:1 motion from the beginning played a part with that along with the market that became the dominant consumer base for the console.
Yeah. Right. Perhaps that's not the best topic of discussion. Back to the Wii U...
I like the OS mock-ups people were doing before. Likely better than what we'll get, though.
... srsly? Looks like I have to post this in YET ANOTHER THREAD.
FFS, LOOK AT THE CONTROLLER AGAIN, FOLKS.
Compared to THIS:
3 things that immediately are visibly apparent:
- rubber circle near the perimeter for the ability to grip that isn't present on the 3DS pad
- protrudes from the unit MUCH more than the 3DS pad, offering better leverage
- wider recessed circle surrounding the pad, providing greater accuracy and range of motion than the 3DS pad
So let's please please PLEASE stop acting like it's the same god-damn thing when it's clearly, even just from VISUAL INSPECTION, leaps and bounds better.
Eventually, everyone will get tired of seeing this re-posted and stop parroting the same bile about circle pads automatically making the controller a downgrade or a mistake, as though it were the exact same thing in use on the 3DS.
this is better
That's hardly fair. It's the best 3D controller of all time
TheExplodingHead
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but basing your reasoning on a comparison pic won't do this argument any end. It say's almost nothing about how it will function game-per-game vs a traditional stick, it say's nothing about the feel or limitations. All you have is basically a hope and a prayer that this pic guarantee's you a marginal performance improvement. Again, not saying your wrong because I haven't used the Upad, but it hardly makes a solid case.
All people can really do is base their experience on real world benchmarks which is the 3DS and alternative analogs. And in that comparison (even with adaptation and game tailoring) more people prefer the traditional stick. But I'll personally remain cautiously optimistic.
this is better
Where's the screen?
AceBandage
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Pretty much every hands on have been positive and said it's much better than the 3DS slide pad...
Which in and of itself isn't not even that bad.
People seriously don't give the slide pad a chance. It works just fine for everything.
StreetsAhead
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this is better
Except for fighting games.
And the d-pad wasn't great.
And the C-nipple wasn't that great.
And the weird Z-button.
And it was wired.
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