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[Byakuya769]

PS2 had missive mainstream hype and a was a trojan horse for DVD format.

But did it have "good word of mouth"?

Is this "good word of mouth" stuff something Sony planted to go viral? I'm seeing it pop up a bit too much for a machine that just came out in the US.

Also, PS2 was in great demand. The vita? Not so much.

 

[Takao]

Even though I disagree with the OP's general hypothesis, a few days after the PS2 launched, there was a ton of negativity about it as well. More so than than the Vita I would guess. And a lot of "It has no games" talk.

Forbes: PS2 to bankrupt Sony

 

[Cygnus X-1]

No.

Seriously: no! PS2 was incredibly fast selling worldwide, with a crazy hype behind the system that destroyed any other competitor.

Where is the comparison with Vita? More like PS3 I would say: very slow start, but with the hope to recover something in the future.

 

[The Incarnation]

It's the new PSP Go
i'm terribly sorry

/fixed that for you.

 

[Kafel]

Yes because everyone is going to trade in crap to get a vita.

This meme is as played out " has no games"

uh, you don't have to trade anything to get a lower price, just open your eyes on all the offers

 

[Alligatorjandro]

The Vita wowed me like the PS2 wowed me.

 

[MoogleWizard]

Why does sales matter on a forum like NeoGAF? If the 3DS launched with a brand new Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, F-Zero, Pikmin and Custom Robo would people call that launch shit because all of those games are niche?

I used neither "sales" or "shit" in my post. But if you're saying that the Vita is like the commercially most successful console ever, that had many big mainstream games coming already in its first year after launch (which is what this thread is about, isn't it?), yes, I'd say sales and "niche" do matter.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

I'd be seriously hesitant to compare PSV's BC to PS2's. I understand you can download majority of the games via PSN, but not all PSP titles are available as digital downloads right? I wish it had full UMD support even if it was just gonna be used for BC.

Also, does anyone have any theories as to why the machine is kinda tanking in Japan? Since the market there is so handheld-centric, I'd think it could comfortably support two devices. What gives? (Does it just need a Monster Hunter title to come out to get things rolling?)

Regardless of everything, I think the system will age really well even if it ends up not doing so hot. It has great tech and will surely have some gems released on it. Should be a great late-adopters' purchase. (If it keeps up PSP's momentum with RPGs, it'll be a definite purchase for me.)

 

[Freshmaker]

Ever since the PS3 people have been acting like Sony has had the strongest hardware forever, but that was never the case. PS2 was the weakest of its generation.

Dreamcast says hi.

 

[Kyoufu]

Dreamcast says hi.

Dreamcast didn't have much of a generation.

 

[Boerseun]

The Vita wowed me like the PS2 wowed me.

Little or a lot?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Little or a lot?

A lot.I dont know if the Vita will have the life that the PS2 but it impressed me a lot.

 

[Takao]

I used neither "sales" or "shit" in my post. But if you're saying that the Vita is like the commercially most successful console ever, that had many big mainstream games coming already in its first year after launch (which is what this thread is about, isn't it?), yes, I'd say sales and "niche" do matter.

Nowhere in the OP does he state it'd be as commercially successful as the PS2. He says the platform has some characteristics in common with the PS2, in that it's a tech advanced machine that has great word of mouth. The portion he does talk about software focuses on classic titles (like Hot Shots, and WipEout), backwards compatibility, and Sony's strong first party output. All of that is true, and not really up for argument.

You on the otherhand dismissed the launch because the titles are niche. Yes, the majority of them are niche, but as an enthusiast forum like NeoGAF, I'd imagine the majority of users would prefer a launch full of niche titles than a launch with 2 big titles and nothing else (see 3DS with Nintendogs, and Street Fighter IV). Will these niche titles help sell the Vita to the masses? No. But it should sell Vita to us.

Also, does anyone have any theories as to why the machine is kinda tanking in Japan? Since the market there is so handheld-centric, I'd think it could comfortably support two devices. What gives? (Does it just need a Monster Hunter title to come out to get things rolling?)

3DS is cheaper than a PSP in Japan. 3DS has Monster Hunter, Mario Land, and Mario Kart. Vita is more expensive than a 3DS, and PSP. It has Hot Shots Golf, and Gravity Daze.

 

[MikeE21286]

Forbes: PS2 to bankrupt Sony

sweet redemption right there.

 

[WillyFive]

The PS2 had hype and a DVD player (a reason for the mainstream audience to buy it).

Vita has neither.

 

[Kusagari]

Vita will be a smash hit once the mainstream sees more of them. It's an absolutely wonderful device, playing games like Wipeout, Super Stardust HD and Uncharted with it is mindblowing, console experience on the go first time ever. It's a completely different market from the quick touch iPhone games.

This is exactly what we heard about PSP. It's eerie how similar they are except for the fact PSP did well off the bat because of the good will Sony had from PS2

 

[Byakuya769]

This is exactly what we heard about PSP. It's eerie how similar they are except for the fact PSP did well off the bat because of the good will Sony had from PS2

It's like people who proselytized about zunes. "They are so awesome, if only the unwashed masses would see that!"

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

The PS2 played PSOne games. The PSVita does not.

It's like people who proselytized about zunes. "They are so awesome, if only the unwashed masses would see that!"

To be fair, the Zune did quite well for 2 years on the market, and was the #2 mp3 player for a while, even combining efforts from all other manufacturers aside apple. If anything, WP7 killed Zune

 

[DidntKnowJack]

The PS2 played PSOne games. The PSVita does not.

Yet.

 

[linko9]

I don't see how anyone could make this comparison, at least not at this time. If any current handheld is the PS2, it's the DS. The Vita will never come close to the success of the DS, or the PS2 for that matter, either in terms of sales or software.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

i think it will be tough for either handheld to just blow up. with the emergence of smartphones, both 3ds and vita are at a disadvantage. but that doesn't mean that both systems can't provide quality games. i think both companies are selling their products at a profit right now (thought i read an article a few days ago where each psvita costs sony $140 or so and i think nintendo sells 3ds at a profit as well) so i wonder what each company would consider "successful" as far as sales go.

its important for psv/3ds to move units since publishers will then put in the time to get some good games on there. although amazon isn't the final word on things, its good to see vita system selling in the top 5 (and this is just the wi-fi version, doesn't count any 3g sales)

 

[Jaded Alyx]

i think it will be tough for either handheld to just blow up. with the emergence of smartphones, both 3ds and vita are at a disadvantage. but that doesn't mean that both systems can't provide quality games. i think both companies are selling their products at a profit right now (thought i read an article a few days ago where each psvita costs sony $140 or so and i think nintendo sells 3ds at a profit as well) so i wonder what each company would consider "successful" as far as sales go.

its important for psv/3ds to move units since publishers will then put in the time to get some good games on there. although amazon isn't the final word on things, its good to see vita system selling in the top 5 (and this is just the wi-fi version, doesn't count any 3g sales)

No to the bolded.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I don't see how anyone could make this comparison, at least not at this time. If any current handheld is the PS2, it's the DS. The Vita will never come close to the success of the DS, or the PS2 for that matter, either in terms of sales or software.

no console will ever top the ps2 ever again. no handheld will top the sales of the DS again either in terms of sales (not the 3ds, not the vita, not any gaming dedicated handheld)

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

No to the bolded.

http://www.gamezone.com/products/ps...wn-reveals-playstation-vita-costs-159-to-make

yeah i had just glanced at it briefly a few days ago. the $159 is just for the system itself but doesn't count other stuff that goes into the system getting into your hands

 

[Jaded Alyx]

http://www.gamezone.com/products/ps...wn-reveals-playstation-vita-costs-159-to-make

yeah i had just glanced at it briefly a few days ago. the $159 is just for the system itself but doesn't count other stuff that goes into the system getting into your hands

Right. And the 3DS is being sold at a loss since the price drop.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Right. And the 3DS is being sold at a loss since the price drop.

damn really? any articles on how much it costs for nintendo? i'm always interested reading about those types of things

 

[Risk Breaker]

The Vita wowed me like the PS2 wowed me.

I feel the same way.

 

[3rdamention]

The PS2 was an unimpressive piece of hardware which sold very well.

The PSV is an impressive piece of hardware which is barely selling at all.

Don't see the comparison at all.

Please post one link to sales figures of the Vita!!!! Oh you dont have one? How in the hell can you say the VITA is barely selling at all? I am not even trying to say it is selling like crazy, I am not saying anything about sales numbers CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ANY!


These are your assumptions, or opinions, and they are based on what?


I have 75 people on NEAR on my VITA within 1.2 miles of my house. That is pretty good if you ask me.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

damn really? any articles on how much it costs for nintendo? i'm always interested reading about those types of things

Not really sorry. I just recall that Iwata and other top execs cut their salaries (Iwata's in half), and that the price drop would "generate red ink".

Please post one link to sales figures of the Vita!!!! Oh you dont have one? How in the hell can you say the VITA is barely selling at all? I am not even trying to say it is selling like crazy, I am not saying anything about sales numbers CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ANY!


These are your assumptions, or opinions, and they are based on what?


I have 75 people on NEAR on my VITA within 1.2 miles of my house. That is pretty good if you ask me.

Japanese figures obviously.

Which are awful.

 

[Fantastical]

When the ps2 came out, it was a dvd player at the time when dvd players were just announced to be the shit.

This makes me think Sony held a press conference to announce "Hey you guys, DVDs are the shit."

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Please post one link to sales figures of the Vita!!!! Oh you dont have one? How in the hell can you say the VITA is barely selling at all? I am not even trying to say it is selling like crazy, I am not saying anything about sales numbers CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ANY!


These are your assumptions, or opinions, and they are based on what?


I have 75 people on NEAR on my VITA within 1.2 miles of my house. That is pretty good if you ask me.

This post right here. Fuck me dead.

 

[Thoraxes]

if you have no interest in the launch lineup its because you can't (or dont want to) afford paying $250 + memory card for the system. i get that and sony is going to need to lower the price by the fall. but if we are strictly talking about the games on the system then there is no reason to say playstation vita doesn't have an awesome lineup of games to choose from.

if you don't care about the money angle and you still say there is nothing on playstation vita then you don't like videogames

the only people who say playstation vita has no games are the people who don't actually own one. will psvita be a flop or succeed? who knows. but sony has such a great setup with the machine that i really hope it does succeed. it's basically like having a portable ps3, which is pretty insane when you think about it

I easily have the money, it's just there are literally no games on it on launch that I want at all and I have zero backwards compatibility with my current sizable library of UMD PSP software. I either own its better console brethren, the original of whatever the port is/buying Rayman on Steam, I hate racing, fighting, and sports games, and won't buy Uncharted new because it has no multiplayer and is $50, which is not an appropriate value to me anyways.

However, I do recognize for everyone who is not me, there's plenty to love about the lineup of games, and that many people will find something they love. I just want more heavy hitting Japanese games to come out, which is where my niche is (also I really love Disgaea, and having that super-long game on the go is just awesome). What it boils down to is that our individual opinions don't necessarily reflect what kind of lineup a system has. I personally believe the 3DS has a way better games library right now, but that's just because it caters better to my tastes right now is all.

Please post one link to sales figures of the Vita!!!! Oh you dont have one? How in the hell can you say the VITA is barely selling at all? I am not even trying to say it is selling like crazy, I am not saying anything about sales numbers CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ANY!


These are your assumptions, or opinions, and they are based on what?


I have 75 people on NEAR on my VITA within 1.2 miles of my house. That is pretty good if you ask me.

We have sales threads on here weekly for Japanese sales and monthly for US sales with accurate numbers and hardware sales totals from press releases, Famitsu, and Media Create. Do read them, because that's where that poster is getting the information from. No need to be such a sourpuss.

Also i'm in the Loop in Chicago right now, and there's only 2 people around me on Near while i've already gotten 6 streetpasses >.>

 

[MoogleWizard]

Nowhere in the OP does he state it'd be as commercially successful as the PS2. He says the platform has some characteristics in common with the PS2, in that it's a tech advanced machine that has great word of mouth.

Ok, sorry, I misunderstood it then.

The portion he does talk about software focuses on classic titles (like Hot Shots, and WipEout), backwards compatibility, and Sony's strong first party output. All of that is true, and not really up for argument.

You on the otherhand dismissed the launch because the titles are niche. Yes, the majority of them are niche, but as an enthusiast forum like NeoGAF, I'd imagine the majority of users would prefer a launch full of niche titles than a launch with 2 big titles and nothing else (see 3DS with Nintendogs, and Street Fighter IV). Will these niche titles help sell the Vita to the masses? No. But it should sell Vita to us.
.

I wasn't responding directly to the op, but to someone asking how you could possibly say the Vita has no compelling line-up. I'm not into racing or sport, that most of the line-up consists of (Wipe Out, Hot Shots, F1, Ridge Racer, Virtua Tennis, Fifa, Asphalt Injection or Hot Shots). Games I like on the Vita (Ninja Gaiden, Rayman, UMvC3) are already on other platforms, and small, simple fun games like Lemins and Little Deviants won't make me spend about 300 bucks on a new system.

That was it, I only tried to explain that it's not impossible for someone to not find the line-up compelling. I did not say the lineup was bad, I said it's not for me and that I'm not the only one, am I allowed to say that?

 

[Marco1]

I still remember filling in my PS2 pre-order form at my local hardware store and it felt like I had to pass some sort of QC to receive it.
I also remember receiving a letter from Sony updating me that it would arrive soon.
I still remember that phone call telling me to pick it up once it arrived and carrying that iconic blue box home and playing timesplitters which although looked like shit still felt special.
Sorry but vita doesn't do that to me and I still cancelled my pre-order on that. PS2 was special at a time that was right for Sony and although I would love to see them revitalise that magic, I can't help but feel that the old Sony is gone and will never return.
The market has changed yet Sony have not.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'd love to get one, but my main problem is the single PSN account restriction. They made the thing region-free, which is awesome, so I want to be able to buy games from other regions digitally, just like I do on my PS3. The fact that they prevent this is what stopped me from getting it at launch.

 

[liger05]

I think it will sell decent numbers at launch but that shouldn't be a surprise. The hardcore will buy it but you need more than the hardcore.

I remember the psp predictions and people were so wrong about how much of a success that would be. In regard to the vita and 3ds I think both will struggle 3rd party wise in the west. Just ain't convinced publishers are ready to sink money into handhelds in the west.

I like the vita but personally in no rush to get one. I'm happy with my 3ds and if anything I will get a Japanese 3ds before the vita as Japan will get plenty third party support on the 3ds.

 

[Thoraxes]

That was it, I only tried to explain that it's not impossible for someone to not find the line-up compelling. I did not say the lineup was bad, I said it's not for me and that I'm not the only one, am I allowed to say that?

Don't worry man, I am the same way as you. There's just nothing that interests me at the moment.

 

[Theonik]

The Anti-PS2 sounds more accurate.

 

[mhayze]

If the question is whether the Vita at launch is like the PS2 at launch, I'd say maybe - but it's too early to tell. Honestly, this feels a lot more like PS3 launch - it had the same "Network" potential, it had the same (incomplete) PS2 backwards compatibility at launch (compared to incomplete PSP backwards compatibility for Vita.)

Clearly at launch a console is not going to have the same library as one of the best selling consoles ever, so I don't think the lack of titles at launch is a fair criticism - none of Sony's consoles had a particularly large library at launch, and I'd say the Vita launch library is above average, but still disappointing, like all launch libraries seem to be.

 

[Ponn]

Do people get tired of saying the same things every damn system launch, not enough games, sales number mean its doomed, best system launch ever, most games ever, will beat *insert competition* system, is going to get crused by *insert competition*, etc etc.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Do people get tired of saying the same things every damn system launch, not enough games, sales number mean its doomed, best system launch ever, most games ever, will beat *insert competition* system, is going to get crused by *insert competition*, etc etc.

I dunno, do you ever get tired of unwavering optimism in the face of a contradictory reality?

 

[Ponn]

I dunno, do you ever get tired of unwavering optimism in the face of a contradictory reality?

Huh? Might want to re-read what I wrote and lower those defenses buddy.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Huh? Might want to re-read what I wrote and lower those defenses buddy.

Don't mistake being a smart-arse for being defensive. But yes, I misunderstood your post. I thought that you were saying that pessimism is inappropriate when it appears that you're actually saying that any opinion about the Vita is in fact out of line.

 

[Talwind]

Hey,

Is it just me or is the playstation vita the new ps2? It seems sony hit the right notes with this machine, it's got good word of mouth, it has classic titles, some cool backwords compatability,and sony's first party offering is international and very strong.

....

I think if sony ports a version of grant turismo 5 within 2 years, they will be able to gain back the momentum lost to the 3ds.

Wat.

I can't even tell if this is a serious post or not. The Vita right now, is nothing like the PS2.

 

[Mzo]

The PS2 didn't matter until like Devil May Cry, GTA3, and MGS2 came out.

The Vita is awesome at launch.

 

[Byakuya769]

The PS2 didn't matter until like Devil May Cry, GTA3, and MGS2 came out.

The Vita is awesome at launch.

This is true. The ps2 sold despite it's line-up, and the vita is floundering despite it's line-up.

The Anti-PS2 sounds more accurate.

Actually, that about covers it.

 

[Ponn]

Don't mistake being a smart-arse for being defensive. But yes, I misunderstood your post. I thought that you were saying that pessimism is inappropriate when it appears that you're actually saying that any opinion about the Vita is in fact out of line.

I'm saying you can see these exact same comments associated with every console launch. At some point don't people get tired of going back and forth on both sides barely a month or two out of launch. It's like programmed responses on both sides of the fence with the exact same dribble going back to Snes and Genesis. These systems come out every 4 to 6 years with different capabilities, different demographics, different economies and different games. I don't see the point in trying to speculate either way.

 

[Conciliator]

The Vita's launch lineup is pretty solid, though the reception on most of those titles has been a little modest. I would definitely like to play Lumines and maybe one or two others, but...not enough to be paying $400 just get hold of a working console and a couple games. I hope that works out for them, but in between iOS and android stuff, the 3DS bouncing back and that lukewarm reception on what should be system-sellers, they've got their work cut out for them.

 

[Mzo]

The multitude of pack-in deals and the spread of the B2G1 free sale really made the Vita launch a lot more affordable than I had initially anticipated.

It was nice.

 

[Y2Kev]

It's like people who proselytized about zunes. "They are so awesome, if only the unwashed masses would see that!"

WTF. Vita is DoA, but yeah, if only Vita could go on to sell like that flop PSP that sold 70 million units. How eerie. You two don't even make sense.