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Bioware responds to Mass Effect 3 ending controversy
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SirPenguin
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Spoilers for both games below.
Like ME3, FO3 had several 'choices' that didn't make any sense. You could either sacrifice yourself, despite being at this point loaded up with 1000 different ways to reduce and remove radiation, or you could sacrifice someone else, EXCEPT the people 100% resistant to radiation.
The DLC came out and added better and more sensible endings.
The DLC came out and added better and more sensible endings.
EmCeeGramr
Member
You had to either sacrifice your own life or send Sarah Lyons into the radioactive chamber to sacrifice herself. Even if you had a radiation-resistant companion like Fawkes the Super-Mutant, they'd have some dumb spiel about "oh well it's YOUR destiny to sacrifice yourself, I can't do it."
The Broken Steel DLC let your companions stop being stupid and actually go in for you. And it's hilarious because the Ron Perlman narration at the end acted like you were a big coward for finding a smart solution where nobody died.
The Broken Steel DLC let your companions stop being stupid and actually go in for you. And it's hilarious because the Ron Perlman narration at the end acted like you were a big coward for finding a smart solution where nobody died.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
You know what the real problem is? Due to
space magic
THAT is why there is controversy and whenever the hell Tycho finally finishes the game, he will know the irony of this comic firsthand.
Assuming he plays it, of course.
Uh, he's already finished it. Posted his thoughts on Monday. He didn't mind it, but he respects the fans that had a problem with it.
The best part in Fallout 3 was when
my super-mutant companion who was immune to radiation, and who had previously gone into an irradiated room to help me, refused to do at the end because it was time for me to man up and do things myself
Live Free or Die
Banned
Wow. Nice PR response.
EmCeeGramr
Member
He already finished it and found the ending great because it invokes "hard sci fi" somehow and has a bunch of dumb vague questions to speculate about.
Gabe thought it was good because he doesn't like to think about things too hard.
Amen. I don't mind dying at the end of a game, but it has to be worthwhile.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I haven't played the game yet but based on what I've read yeah, the problem that I suspect I'll have with the ending is primarily that it doesn't actually reflect the choices you've been making and the character you've been building.
BattleMonkey
Member
Bioware says something, it's a controversy here
Zomba13
Member
Yeah, we hate the ending because it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Nothing to do with it being a badly written piece of shit that if full of plot holes and character inaccuracies and doesn't take any of our choices into account like what was promised by Bioware in the lead up. We just hate it because it's 'bittersweet'. Yeah.
Pachterballs
Banned
re: Fallout3. ha. never thought about it that way and/or can't remember but.. hehe. I guess Bethesda thought that the heroic choice made for a good "OMFG" ending.
As posted before, its not even bittersweet. Just bitter.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
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well that's depressing. What exactly does EA give out with those review copies? Free meth?
And to think, it's on the same level as Darth Undeadu. Ok, maybe not that level.
Hey hey HEY the shills as Penny Arcade loved the ending, so why don't you? Is there something wrong with you? While you're thinking, consider reading Dragon Age 2: The Comic! brought to you by Penny Arcade and Bioware and EA.
Remember 10 years ago when Penny Arcade made fun of games instead of promote them?
Trolling ppl who care about the game yay funny
They have a very close history with Bioware unfortunately. They also didn't mind Dragon Age 2.... after they designed some cool pre-order bonuses and comics for that game of course.
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, but to face actual, properly argued criticism is tiring stuff, so let's pretend people just want the happy ending and act with a sense of superiority over them.
Aw shucks they're just two grassroots guys trying to tow the soil and court publishers and developers into participating in their massive gaming convention and pay them to make promotional materials. If'n there's any "conflict of interest" it's the conflict in their hearts from loving games too much.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Could be the beer. All I saw was blah blah blah deal with it.
Nothing wrong with that either, but they didn't connect the end to the rest of the game in a way that encourages the player to give a shit about what they showed in the game's final moments. ME3 isn't a game that can pull off that kind of non-ending; no work called "____ 3" could.
Yeah Tycho wasn't bad. Gabe went retarded about it though :l
I try and like PA , not sure why though.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Gabe has a history of saying silly things, so I tend to not pay much attention to him.
If Mass Effect 3 was a Star Wars game, well, he'd be burning down BioWare HQ yesterday.
Tycho's response was mildly snotty but otherwise fairly reasonable. He actually did take people to task for trying to pretend that the end of a creative work is sacrosanct.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Reading Tycho's position on DA2 (David Gaider is a king, the writing is "ecstatic," a meaningless sidestory is a unique opportunity in storytelling), and their one comic about the game (hey, this one creepy dude on BSN doesn't like the romances. DA2 critics are weird perverts!!) is still so funny.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I read it three times just to make sure but yes, he actually wrote 3 paragraphs and managed to say nothing about the topic. Incredible
Well I was able to borrow it from a friend. Along with his console. When next gen machines are out you should be able to swing that pretty easy.
LightofRohan
Member
Ugh, these guys sponsored by EA? I guess we all are. But nobody wants the ending changed because it was sad.
And I don't even want the ending CHANGED, I want Bioware to release the actual ending they've been hinting at...
Ohhh yea that's right. Haha.
ProtoCents
Banned
I guess once you achieve a certain level of success you no longer have to apologize.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I'm pretty sure the PA guys are just being obtuse about this one, not sinisterly shilling for EA. Their other ME3 strips still seemed like standard "nitpicking for comedic effect"
It's amazing that there exists a position for which the core responsibilities include filling up a page with nothing.
This information is of no value to anyone! We know you're upset! Have a good day!
First Name
Member
It's quite impressive when you think about it. I don't think I'd be able to do it without falling back on filling the page with lorem ipsum.
Fimbulvetr
Member
At the risk of rolling my eyes so hard they fly out of my head at supersonic speeds, do you have a link to this so I can read it? Because I seriously can't believe that shit was said about DA2 of all things.EmCeeGramr said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay, I take that back: I highly doubt that they're shilling for EA. I think its likely that they've become semi-friends with people at BioWare and now they're in the awkward "we don't want to denounce their work in public" phase. They've gotten too close to the industry.
spindoctor
Member
So how long before we get the 'anyone who didn't like the ending had misaligned expectations' press release?
2 months
Robot Pants
Member
I want full on Sony post-Lair meltdown.
Sending out a video, making a text manual and all.
Lair Review Guide
Well, have they ever had good taste in games? Honest question, I haven't really followed their comic in years.
I think BioWare is missing the obvious issues with their ending. Of course the focus is on it being a "sad" ending and not focussing on the fact it makes absolutely no sense and is a blatantly obvious deus ex machina that contradicts most the series with no reward for the player at the end.
But deflecting criticism to the obvious "it's sad" problem let's them avoid the bigger issue.
LunaticHigh
Member
All part of the plan. Release a bad ending and then "support" the game with DLC so that you can get a proper conclusion to the series.
Robot Pants
Member
Sadly, I expect something like this to happen on their forums. Some apologetic to the ending might come up with some concept behind it to justify it.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
I fucking hope bioware gets that people don't hate the ending because it's not happy enough. That's fucking stupid. Red Dead had a way more downer of an ending, and it still managed not to suck so hard you felt robbed of your time spent with it.