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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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I'm glad to hear that something is being done about this, even if it is a Grand Jury hearing first.
While I do think that there is a lot of evidence here, I really, really hope the Prosecution doesn't fuck this up. Without more actual witnesses, there is hearsay problems everywhere. Might not be much of a problem getting in dumb shit that Zimmerman said, because most states have rules for party opponent admissions. I'm more worried about Martin's and the girl's statements. With that said, given how many people reported to have heard it (including the one kid walking his dog who at least saw Zimmerman corner Martin a second time), this may be rectifiable and can simply just have quite a bit observation testimony included in the mix to really close the gap.
While I do think that there is a lot of evidence here, I really, really hope the Prosecution doesn't fuck this up. Without more actual witnesses, there is hearsay problems everywhere. Might not be much of a problem getting in dumb shit that Zimmerman said, because most states have rules for party opponent admissions. I'm more worried about Martin's and the girl's statements. With that said, given how many people reported to have heard it (including the one kid walking his dog who at least saw Zimmerman corner Martin a second time), this may be rectifiable and can simply just have quite a bit observation testimony included in the mix to really close the gap.
soundscream
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Are you just trolling, cause that's not what he said. I can hear it perfectly clear. He says fucking coons. I really cant see how you can't hear it.
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
Sounded like punks to me too. Seemed pretty clear to me.
I'm not trolling, and I'm not 100% he says coons either.
The best solution is to get an audio master to clean it up.
Bumblebeetuna
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Whether he said punks or coons, if there ever is a trial, at least both words would be very damaging to his case.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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Bill Lee and Ray Kelly: "We are the real victims here."
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/19/white_police_officials_we_are_the_real_victims_here/
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/19/white_police_officials_we_are_the_real_victims_here/
polyh3dron
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Just listening to these 911 calls, this police force is fucking despicable for letting this guy go free, this is horrible.
Professor Beef
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This line is a doozy.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
EDIT: From the Florida police chief's mouth:
I don't understand how it's possible for a person to be this fucking delusional.
Ghost_Protocol
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He says "fucking punks". Where the hell are you guys hearing "coons"?
soundscream
Member
What the hell are you hearing.
Right after he says fucking the next sound that comes out is a coo sound. You hounstly think it's punks. The word ends with oons not unks, I could understand someone thinking goons but that's not what he said.
There's no "oo" sound and it sounds like "punks"
Fantastical
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It sounds like "punks" to me. I mean, it could be "coons", but it's hard to hear.
FUCK THIS. NO Lee, fuck you. Just fuck you, you broken shit.
This guy just keeps on getting more and more disgusting. Honestly, I don't know why they're still letting him talk.
soundscream
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I must be in the twighlight zone, if there was a window I'd jump out of it right now. I'm not going to arguee anymore tonight cause i see it will get me nowhere.
Off topic but what do you hear in this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H9f8qUrF6w#t=39s
I hear a P or C sound at the start and a K sound at the end. There's definitely at least a phoneme between the n and the s. I don't hear an "oo" sound at all; more of an "u" sound.
He's still a terrible person, regardless.
echoshifting
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Thanks, could not remember for the life of me what that was called
marathonfool
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White privilege is a hell of a drug.
I asked someone else without priming them and they heard "corrs" or a certain pejorative term for female genitals.
googleplex
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Your out of your damn mind. He clearly says "coons"
Mecha_Infantry
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Thank Buddha that all this evidence is coming out. This Zimmerman guy is toast.
Sanford PD were 100% WRONG not to at least arrest him. The Florida self defends statute only exsists if you aren't the agressor. The PD HAD THE FUCKING 911 recordings and it clearly proves he was in violation of the statute because he was the aggressor in the situation. How the FUCK can that not be enough evidence, when it comes from the horses mouth it's self. Eye witnesses, PHONE CALLS, etc. it's all evidence.
Shit. I've watched enough 48 hours to know they'll pin anything on your ass if they really wanted to. Here we saw a typical laxidazical (sp?) approach for justice for a young black man...not even a man, a boy.
I'm not even from USA and this shit is easy to understand. What the hell are Enron and Realtik (or whatever his name is) trying to achieve? Sounding like right dickwads right now
Sanford PD were 100% WRONG not to at least arrest him. The Florida self defends statute only exsists if you aren't the agressor. The PD HAD THE FUCKING 911 recordings and it clearly proves he was in violation of the statute because he was the aggressor in the situation. How the FUCK can that not be enough evidence, when it comes from the horses mouth it's self. Eye witnesses, PHONE CALLS, etc. it's all evidence.
Shit. I've watched enough 48 hours to know they'll pin anything on your ass if they really wanted to. Here we saw a typical laxidazical (sp?) approach for justice for a young black man...not even a man, a boy.
I'm not even from USA and this shit is easy to understand. What the hell are Enron and Realtik (or whatever his name is) trying to achieve? Sounding like right dickwads right now
This is why the local PD is trying to cover it up. They're all involved, money, pirate ships, goonies...
It's all there.
demigod
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Then explain the K at the end of the word. I'm not the only one who says he said punks. There is no K at the end of coons.
He's from UK? Doingk, livingk? Coonsk?
soundscream
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Alright I have listened some more and can maybe see where the people saying punks are getting it but it's still wrong
You know how south park makes fun of Canadians whenever they use the word about
They always have them pronouncing it aboot
Now since he his saying it under his breath almost to himself he says it very low and to himself.
He also says it as almost one word. If you listen to it in such a way it can sound like he is saying fucking poonks. Almost like the Canadian about in south park but I have never heard anyone say punks like poonks. But if you listen right after he says fucking he whispers the coons part to where it becomes very hard to hear.
You know how south park makes fun of Canadians whenever they use the word about
They always have them pronouncing it aboot
Now since he his saying it under his breath almost to himself he says it very low and to himself.
He also says it as almost one word. If you listen to it in such a way it can sound like he is saying fucking poonks. Almost like the Canadian about in south park but I have never heard anyone say punks like poonks. But if you listen right after he says fucking he whispers the coons part to where it becomes very hard to hear.
Mortrialus
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@The argument over what Zimmerman said under his breath.
Human perception is very easily altered by suggestion. What Zimmerman said isn't clear just from the audio we have now; it's too distorted and mumbled. What you guys are doing is the exact same thing you see on Ghost Hunters, where they take some distorted noise, say it says something like "Paul is dead. Miss him" and when playing it back with subtitles, sure enough you hear "Paul is dead. Miss him". You can see this in effect in this video. It could just as easily be either "punks" or "coons"
Human perception is very easily altered by suggestion. What Zimmerman said isn't clear just from the audio we have now; it's too distorted and mumbled. What you guys are doing is the exact same thing you see on Ghost Hunters, where they take some distorted noise, say it says something like "Paul is dead. Miss him" and when playing it back with subtitles, sure enough you hear "Paul is dead. Miss him". You can see this in effect in this video. It could just as easily be either "punks" or "coons"
Reallink
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I'm the only one concerned with race? From ONLY the first page of this thread (of particular note is just how few real details were known at that time):
Yea...I think I'm going to stand by my "idiotic" comment.
MightyHealthy
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The case was discussed for about a good couple hours today on MSNBC...
This
When I checked out the recording today, thinking about zimmerman saying 'punks' I definitely heard something similar to that in the recording. However when I checked it out yesterday with the suggestions of him saying 'coon' it sounded like that as well. Granted I'm only using speakers, as I haven't tried listening to it with my headphones.
Honestly, when your first posts are pretty much perceiving a situation based on negative stereotypes, it never looks good.
Supermanisdead
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Unless the dude, for some reason, pronounces punks as poonks, then he definitely said coons. The "oo" part is clear as day.
childplease
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He said punks. Starts with a p ends with a k.
Mortrialus
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I think he said "coons", but it's really easy to lead people on this.
Mammoth Jones
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Just going by what we know as fact there's enough for an arrest. Whether or not there's enough for a conviction should be up to a judge and jury.
But for fucks sake...how can you possibly claim self defense when *YOU* are the person to continually escalate the confrontation?! I just don't fucking get it.
It boggles my mind how the police department could not arrest him.
But for fucks sake...how can you possibly claim self defense when *YOU* are the person to continually escalate the confrontation?! I just don't fucking get it.
It boggles my mind how the police department could not arrest him.
Lionheart1337
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You guys are crazy. HE CLEARLY SAID "cunts". GOOD griiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeef.
MightyHealthy
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He phrased it incorrectly. What you're actually concerned with is negating the "racism agenda."
Your own words:
You get called out for this asinine view....
...not only do you seemingly miss the condescension, you embrace that summation of your position in this thread!
and then you go on to generalize the consensus even more:
You're a clown, trying to be the neighborhood watch captain of racism discussions in this thread.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
So there's no consensus for now, let's stop arguing over what he "definitely" said
Obsessed much? You can save yourself further embarrassment if you simply stop.
So there's no consensus for now, let's stop arguing over what he "definitely" said
Obsessed much? You can save yourself further embarrassment if you simply stop.
Mammoth Jones
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His racial bias was made apparent the moment he decided that a black kid minding his business was enough of a threat to follow, call the Police, escalate, engage and kill.
I think there's enough evidence to arrest regardless of what he muttered under his breath.
Went to listen to this recording with an open mind. Forwarded straight to the 2:15 mark, hit play and closed my eyes.
He says in a low tone, almost under his breath,"...fucking coons..."
That settles it for me. Just not seeing how anyone on GAF thinks he said "punks" since it's really not close to it at all... nowhere close enough to where it could even be a possibility.
Maaaaybe, you could argue that he said 'goons', but even then it's a hard sell. There's a distinct 'k' sound at the begining of the word.
soundahfekz
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The guy says coons and multiple news networks have had the excerpt analyzed and confirmed this is what he said, so those saying punks must have horrible ears, shitty audio equipment, or don't want to accept the truth.
Aaronology
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What he said is such a non-issue given how deep a hole he's already in. It's a little disappointing to see so much attention given to this facet of the story. What is interesting is that the GOP authors of Florida's Stand Your Ground law that the Sanford PD have used as grounds for declining to arrest Zimmerman have come out and said it doesn't even apply to him.
Pretty damning.
Pretty damning.
That is lovely!
To all the people who said "but if the police chief thinks it applies, it must be true"
The person who crafted the Stand Your Ground law doesn't agree with you...
Oh the wonderful, wonderful irony... I love it...
Mortrialus
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It's possible that they didn't intend the law to apply to cases like this, but it is so poorly constructed that it does so unintentionally.
echoshifting
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ehhh, I'm not very happy about it but I'm not sure I can agree with that. It's clear at this point that if Zimmerman does not even face charges, the SYG law is indefensible...something that is already apparent to many people here, myself included. Frankly it needs to be examined regardless of the outcome. So I can see why he would say that, perhaps to absolve himself of any responsibility or maybe even to begin shoring up a defense, but if it is not the intent of the law to protect this sort of behavior, it is very poorly written.
You know, the funny thing is, neither of them have the final authority to interpret whether or not the law applies here. That's up to the courts.
MightyHealthy
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I saw the interview on MSNBC with the co-author of the Stand Your Ground law, but this article is certainly more indicative of who they support.
If the creators can agree their law isn't applicable, hopefully the legal system will agree with that assessment.
Thanks for posting it.
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