Spieler Eins
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Sorry, but I prefer the creative games that Wii offered over the whole (completely uninspired) 360 exclusive library any day :/ Not seeing that changing next gen tbh.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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Sorry, but I prefer the creative games that Wii offered over the whole (completely uninspired) 360 exclusive library any day :/ Not seeing that changing next gen tbh.
I do expect many games to target 720p and use FXAA instead of real AA. yeah.
Acquiescence
Member
Nintendo - taking the next-gen out of next-gen consoles.
Oh how I long for a time like that crisp Christmas Day morn when I played my Dreamcast for the first time, and had my socks subsequently blown off in the process.
Oh how I long for a time like that crisp Christmas Day morn when I played my Dreamcast for the first time, and had my socks subsequently blown off in the process.
After this gen it sounds like an improvement.
bigtroyjon
Member
When were those statements made?
When they announced their latest revision downward to fy profits, they also said they would be back to making money next fy. That's not going to happen if they are taking any kind of non trivial loss on WiiU hardware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader_Model_4.0 there you go, as for things it can't do, sure you can make the 360 generally produce the zelda demo without the lighting effects and running under 720p @ 30fps, with lower resolution textures, but that is in fact not running that tech demo anymore.
Error Macro
Member
Aww, shucks. Well how about a thingamajig that makes the graphics look like they are more, you know, more high def-y than they really are?
east of eastside
Banned
I bet the CPU is based on the PowerPC A2 core and clocked well under 3GHZ for the sake of efficiency, just sayin'..
That was on early dev kits that were underclocked, current dev kits have officially had a performance increase, but this is hardly what the people in this thread want to hear.
It sheds fuck all unless you intentionally want to stick to one vague comment and ignore a ton of other vague comments. If it's so obvious that the wii u is more powerful than this gen, what the fuck does "on par" even mean. Nothing. It means fucking nothing.
Because the two ideas, Wii U being superior than this generation and being on par, are categorically in conflict with one another, all it shows is that there is a level of imprecision when it comes to these developer comments. Just like previous dev comments talking about Wii U games with better resolution, more ram, larger textures, being a "stop-gap," being the most powerful console on the market at launch, etc. they're all vague and imprecise statements that were never meant to be taken as a bullet point to be used in any sort of tech-war argument.
For all we know, the guy at vigil who made that statement was simply meaning to say the dev team is targeting a wii u build that's "on par," meaning they wont be attempting to make any visual improvements at all. Keep in mind, just because I say this is a possibility does not mean I subscribe to it as fact or am purposefully deluding myself into thinking that's what he meant. "On par" could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. It could mean current gen games at 1080p at 60fps. Or it could mean being identical to current gen games. The problem here is that everyone who is sure of one argument over another is cherry picking the quotes that they like and interpreting them in a way that supports their predetermined conclusion.
Cygnus X-1
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soundahfekz
Member
Nintendo fans are kinda scary, and are becoming quite arrogant like Sony fans did before the PS3 debacle.
Love how things from "look at those particles and reflections!!!" to "power doesn't matter anyway!"
They'll do well regardless financially with profitable hardware as they always have, but I'm not surprised at all if the software doesn't go very far beyond what is capable in the current gen. I'd only be concerned about 3rd party development if I were them, not sure if developers are going to want to commit to the same set of circumstances twice.
Love how things from "look at those particles and reflections!!!" to "power doesn't matter anyway!"
They'll do well regardless financially with profitable hardware as they always have, but I'm not surprised at all if the software doesn't go very far beyond what is capable in the current gen. I'd only be concerned about 3rd party development if I were them, not sure if developers are going to want to commit to the same set of circumstances twice.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
fluffydelusions
Member
It _MAY_ be possible but with frame drops and stuttering every where.
http://translate.google.com/transla...+u+1tflop&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=681&prmd=imvnsfd
So there is where we got the over 1Tflops on the GPU, it was from an AMD rep talking to a japanese reporter. It was just reposted in the speculation thread, those specs I posted aren't my own, but what we have learned about the console in the last 8 months, they are fairly accurate.
So there is where we got the over 1Tflops on the GPU, it was from an AMD rep talking to a japanese reporter. It was just reposted in the speculation thread, those specs I posted aren't my own, but what we have learned about the console in the last 8 months, they are fairly accurate.
IsntChrisL
Member
We already know that it's at least more powerful than the PS3/360 in some areas. My guess would be that since it's a launch game (for hardware they are new to) they are just trying to finish it in time.
The smugness in this thread is overwhelming.
The smugness in this thread is overwhelming.
It means that, just like how the original XBOX was more powerful than the GameCube, the two consoles were in the same ballpark power-wise.
It really is. The energy being expended on both sides to declare certainties based on this type of comment is extremely scary.
Error Macro
Member
Buuuuuut...this Donald Marvin fellow said the Wii U can't produce any more polybobs or texture diddly-doos than the PS360 machines? Hmm...
Thanks for serving as a perfect example of what I was talking about.
Man, I'm sick of all you people with girls-with-hats avatars coming in and mucking up threads.
That's good news because now Sony and MS wont need to release a new system until 2015. I truly feel this gen has a lot left because it started far slower than last gen. High costs and recession hurt creativity a lot and Im hoping the next 2-3 years we see a lot of that creativity returning in console games and we start seeing a lot more non sequels and unique experiences.
friskykillface
Banned
Didn't we know this already though?
I thought most knew it would be the same/ maybe a bit better then the xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of graphics.
Not really mad , I assumed from the start, just get my pikmin 3 here asap nintendo
I thought most knew it would be the same/ maybe a bit better then the xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of graphics.
Not really mad , I assumed from the start, just get my pikmin 3 here asap nintendo
shinra-bansho
Member
You seemed to have in part adressed my post (without actually adressing it) in this response.
I believe the query is what SM4 effects exactly you're saying are in play; and for my part how exactly one determined the resolution of the textures in that video.
By reasonable fidelity, I meant looking and running practically indistinguishably from the Zelda tech demo to the average Joe.
If that's the increase in visual fidelity next gen affords then I really personally see no great need for a console refresh; and nor will the mass market should the tablet aspect not catch on.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Very disappointing to hear. I wasn't expecting Xbox 720 or PS4 levels of power, but a good improvement over current hardware would have been nice. I guess we'll see what the games look like at E3.
bigtroyjon
Member
So are you just ignoring where it says the previous discussion about being over 1Tflops was just speculation and the real hardware has come in lower than that?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I was talking the 3DS setup in general (dual ARM11 vs single MIPSR4k).
You wouldn't qualify a 4x memory bump as "huge"?
cyberheater
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What. On a demo that is completely scripted with no AI or game logic. That's rubbish.
Quadrangulum
Banned
I don't care how powerful the system ends up being as I consider Nintendo the indispensable developer but I'd question the wisdom of the pad if the system fails to receive many of the next-generation multiplats. I'm sure reallocating the pad's share of the BOM to the GPU/CPU/RAM would easily allow Nintendo to meet that goal.
Also, as I said in the Wii U speculation thread, if this on par, or tiny step stuff is true, Nintendo should aggressively pursue the market they didn't get on the Wii, and would likely miss out on again, with their own internally developed titles.
Also, as I said in the Wii U speculation thread, if this on par, or tiny step stuff is true, Nintendo should aggressively pursue the market they didn't get on the Wii, and would likely miss out on again, with their own internally developed titles.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I know its shocking but there are people who are tired of Nintendo games.
That said I'll totally buy this day 1 if theres a Pokemon game with some really sweet NFC implementation. Like scanning cards into a Pokemon Stadium type of game.
Won't happen though.
fluffydelusions
Member
Your avatar pretty much speaks for itself.
crazy monkey
Banned
True. I will be buying day one too. Their software is top notch. Wii is my favorite console of all time so ya.
Fortunately, I got the 3 consoles this gen. But I've seen how Wii didn't have many FPS having an awesome control for them. Just because the graphics. And when it was announced one (CoD) it wasn't shown in the events or even the thirds didn't provide any press material.
I just want to say that autolimit the specs may have consecuences in the future: no third party games. And many people don't want a console because the exclusive first party games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid...) but to play the next CoD, Assassin's Creed or FIFA game.
Having strong exclusive games is great, but having multiplatform games is important too. Not everybody can buy two consoles and "feed" them.
It was made during an investor Q & A. A quick and dirty google search nets me this:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/11/iwata_unsure_if_nintendo_will_sell_wii_u_at_a_loss
They said they'd start making a profit on the 3DS between April and the end of September. That doesn't necessarily mean the company will be turning a profit, even if I do agree that was the implication.
What is this shit?
Ether_Snake
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The lighting on the underside of the spider, the texture sizes, the self shadowing, other shader model 4.0+ effects, it's also running 720p @ 30fps, and on the screen as well, none of the lighting is prebaked, as proven by being able to change the scene instantly from night to day.
lol
1- One AI to deal with only, unlike games with crowds where the CPU is taxed by dozens and dozens of AIs.
2- Closed environment, very easy to use all available memory just for this one scene and have high res textures instead of having a lot of textures in memory for vehicles, characters, buildings, streets, sky, etc. Also more room for more shaders in memory, which can help with optimization and quality.
4- Barely any shadows to process, again thanks to closed environment.
3- Barely any physics to process outside of the character's cloth (not to mention that in this video, the cloth's animations are obviously hand-animated and not physics-driven).
4- Deferred rendering makes it simple to render many lights with a low cost.
I could go on.
Yes this would be very easy to do on current-gen consoles at 30FPS at 720p. The only variable really would be quality anti-aliasing, and even that is manageable.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
So... $249.99 it is then.
I remember i Nintendo exec saying it won´t be mainstream/cheap as the Wii.
fluffydelusions
Member
This. I'm not overly concerned about the hardware of the next Nintendo console as I am about the games. Nintendo games are always great...been playing them since the 80's. Honestly, I can see MS putting out the most powerful hardware next gen. I think Sony has lost too much money lately and would want to play it a bit more safe.
brochiller
Member
I certainly agree with you on the first point. But take a look at the Gamecube compared to the PS2 and Xbox. They were behemoths compared to it yet the Gamecube could put out better graphics than the PS2 and could hold its own pretty well against the Xbox. Nintendo has proven that it's possible to put a lot of power in a small case.
fluffydelusions
Member
But isn't it also streaming data to the controller?
Glorified G
Member
I think Iwata was talking about the current price of the wii, not the launch.
Drinky Crow
Banned
let's get some killzone 2 gifs all up in this bitch
Boards of Canada
Member
The lighting on the underside of the spider, the texture sizes, the self shadowing, other shader model 4.0+ effects, it's also running 720p @ 30fps, and on the screen as well, none of the lighting is prebaked, as proven by being able to change the scene instantly from night to day.
It's actually running at 1080p.
It's also just a very low poly environment, a bunch of bloom, polygon light shafts, and really simple water. The textures are pretty low res on the fly-by, but folks tend to just focus on the two actors here. Artistically, the spider and link are nice and very well animated, but the demo is hardly complex.
Wow, that's the fastest ban I've ever seen. Unless it was for something else and just coincidentally hit right after he posted.