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[HK-47]

heh

Personally I went to the left one with this weird hope for a further explanation as I approached it. It was such a rip-off of Deus Ex: Human Revolution that I seriously felt that might happen. It didn't....

I think this also shows how few game journos actually play either deus ex to not realize the ending was a stupid version of those endings

 

[GrandHarrier]

I listened to the podcast, and while I think they were being too dismissive of the points you guys are making I'd have to say you guys are also rather dismissive of their points and their feelings on the game.

They gave our points absolutely zero recognition. They don't even nail down any specific points. Just sort of "vaguely" talk around the ending choices without detailing WHY they liked them. And they say stuff like, "Dude your playthrough was so different then mine, I didn't know Tali could die!" Then a bit later say, "You don't really have any control over the story. You just nudge it slightly." So, I guess entire cultures being wiped out, characters existing or not, these are nudges bro. Nudges.

 

[Cartman86]

This I genuinely don't understand either. There were people that posted that same thing here too and it was just as bizarre

If anything for me I was frozen with choices. I sat there for 5 minutes trying to parse what was just said to me. What my choices actually were etc.

 

[Blue Ninja]

The only logical explanation is that the so called journalists have been indoctrinated.

Paving the way for the rEApers.

 

[Sojgat]

I don't think most journalists are attacking people who hate the ending, they are attacking people who are petitioning to change it. Even Jeff Gerstmann finds that idea insane.

But it also seems like most journalists think those are the only people who are upset, when in reality it is a much more widely held view that the ending is crap. The other thing that journalists seem to be focusing on is the idea that people hate the ending because it's not a happy one, when in fact it is much more because it's poorly written garbage.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

how do you

how do you turn your brain off enough in a game that even when the game literally stops and shows you three options and then tells you to pick one, that you don't realize what to do other than "hold up on stick"

lol yeah, I don't understand it either

 

[RedRedSuit]

If anything for me I was frozen with choices. I sat there for 5 minutes trying to parse what was just said to me. What my choices actually were etc.

Yeah, exactly. I was trying to remember exactly what the kid said. I was expecting a dialog tree so I can clarify. Or an explanation near each ending spot. The whole thing was just surreal. I wasn't even angry/annoyed yet, just confused. It's to prevent synthetic beings from doing what in the where now? You control the who now? What did he say? The fuck? That kind of thing.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Yeah, exactly. I was trying to remember exactly what the kid said. I was expecting a dialog tree so I can clarify. Or an explanation near each ending spot. The whole thing was just surreal. I wasn't even angry/annoyed yet, just confused. It's to prevent synthetic beings from doing what in the where now? You control the who now? What did he say? The fuck? That kind of thing.

That was me exactly.

 

[Metroidvania]

how do you

how do you turn your brain off enough in a game that even when the game literally stops and shows you three options and then tells you to pick one, that you don't realize what to do other than "hold up on stick"

Yeah, this made me cringe. Being wrapped up in the story is one thing, but to take that to that level and not realize the 3 options you've literally just been shown shows a level of disregard for the overarching plot that's pretty concerning.

 

[Cartman86]

I think this also shows how few game journos actually play either deus ex to not realize the ending was a stupid version of those endings

I think Deus Ex suffered from a little bit of the same issues.

Spoiler

While poorly executed and a little too black and white in the choices I think realistically would have been available I think they at least explained what the effect of your choice was clearly and with the Fallout style cheap production values my expectations quickly sank to how I feel about most game endings as I was watching them.

Still poor endings though in my mind.

 

[RDreamer]

If anything for me I was frozen with choices. I sat there for 5 minutes trying to parse what was just said to me. What my choices actually were etc.

Same here. I paused the freaking game, and really thought about it in a way I hadn't done with almost any other choice

 

[HK-47]

I think Deus Ex suffered from a little bit of the same issues.

Spoiler

While poorly executed and a little too black and white in the choices I think realistically would have been available I think they at least explained what the effect of your choice was clearly and with the Fallout style cheap production values my expectations quickly sank to how I feel about most game endings.

Still poor endings though in my mind.

Yes but those endings are at least thematically consistent with Deus Ex.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Yeah, this made me cringe.

Being wrapped up in the story is one thing, but to take that to that level and not realize the 3 options you've literally just been shown shows a level of disregard for the overarching plot that's pretty concerning.

That's the thing. How can you claim that you're wrapped up in the story when your not even listening to what the Catylist is explicitly telling you?

 

[Resident_UA]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

 

[HK-47]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

check the OP

 

[rdrr gnr]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

OP.

 

[Zeliard]

The Biowareaper cycle continues

 

[Escape Goat]

My sniper rifle stayed cloaked today while I was playing. Also, after the scene where you shoot Udina and everyone walks into the elevator. The camera cuts back to what I am assuming was supposed to be Udina, but hes dead on the ground. You just see the backdrop of the Presidium. "Pan down! Pan down!" lulz

 

[RedRedSuit]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

Uh oh... Game Has No Issue Man is here.... It'll be just like the Uncharted 3 aiming problem all over again, I can tell.

 

[Red Blaster]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

A wizard did it

 

[Cartman86]

My sniper rifle stayed cloaked today while I was playing. Also, after the scene where you shoot Udina and everyone walks into the elevator. The camera cuts back to what I am assuming was supposed to be Udina, but hes dead on the ground. You just see the backdrop of the Presidium. "Pan down! Pan down!" lulz

Yeah that scene had a variety of weird glitches for me too.

 

[Cartman86]

Yes but those endings are at least thematically consistent with Deus Ex.

True.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Resident_UA]

Uh oh... Game Has No Issue Man is here.... It'll be just like the Uncharted 3 aiming problem all over again, I can tell.

The game has huge issues! Especially the fact that day one DLC was "optional". But I did not see any problems with the ending. Seemed crazy, but nothing out of ordinary for Mass Effect. (I've been reading OP and still somewhat confused. There are a lot of plot holes all throughout the series, why are people so obsessed with the ending?)

 

[J-Rod]

how do you

how do you turn your brain off enough in a game that even when the game literally stops and shows you three options and then tells you to pick one, that you don't realize what to do other than "hold up on stick"

I admit I did this, and when I realized it later, I even remembered seeing the little visions showing Anderson and IL doing it. I'm not going to blame anyone but me on that one, but I was listening to what the kid was saying and didn't know it was showing me how to trigger endings. Plus, it was all limping forward the past two times.

 

[Lime]

How come the game journalists in question get paid to do what they do?

 

[Psychoward]

Not even a single mixed review? Even Half-Life 2 has the occasional one. Mass Effect 1 has a couple. Is it too soon for those reviews to be dropping in?

Mass Effect 2 had all positive reviews, in fact, I'm pretty sure it's the highest rated EA game ever.

Quite a feat.

 

[lastplayed]

I want a game of Javik in the final days of the Prothean Empire. That dude is badass.

Yeah but he'd be surrounded by badasses, so he wouldn't stand out. What makes him fun is that he's the smartass know-it-all removed from his own time, kinda like Ash in Army of Darkness.

 

[Sojgat]

I just finished the game. Can somebody explain to me why the ending is controversial? I read few pages of this thread and it is't clear at all...

Defies logic. Negates player choice. Abrupt. Poorly written. Thematically inconsistent. Vent kid. Indoctrination. Space magic.

I think that covers the main points.

 

[Escape Goat]

The game has huge issues! Especially the fact that day one DLC was "optional". But I did not see any problems with the ending. Seemed crazy, but nothing out of ordinary for Mass Effect. (I've been reading OP and still somewhat confused. There are a lot of plot holes all throughout the series, why are people so obsessed with the ending?)

There was no ending. Just more shit happening, shit happening for no reason and shit happening that contradicts shit that happened before. For a series that was following a 3 act story structure they utterly botched it.

 

[Digoman]

Yes but those endings are at least thematically consistent with Deus Ex.

Exactly. Deus Ex:HR endings were lazy in terms of design, but they made sense in that world.

The ME3 ones... well, not so much. After failing to make sense of the Catalyst dialog, I was trying to decide between doing what the Illusive man wanted, destroying the recently free Geth, or that middle one that I didn't really got. Walked to close the beam and started the green-space-magic. Not a good feeling.

 

[Bowdz]

Yeah, exactly. I was trying to remember exactly what the kid said. I was expecting a dialog tree so I can clarify. Or an explanation near each ending spot. The whole thing was just surreal. I wasn't even angry/annoyed yet, just confused. It's to prevent synthetic beings from doing what in the where now? You control the who now? What did he say? The fuck? That kind of thing.

Agreed. As much as I despise the ending, I have to admit that the final choice was probably one of the hardest in the game for me besides choosing to kill the Rachni queen and save Grunt's company. Choosing the destroy option took a while because of the forced destruction of the Geth, but in the end I thought it was the best option. If only Bioware would have not homogenized the endings...

 

[RedRedSuit]

Defies logic. Negates player choice. Abrupt. Poorly written. Thematically inconsistent. Vent kid. Indoctrination. Space magic.

I think that covers the main points.

And bleak. I guess that fits with "thematically inconsistent." Shepard always wins through the series... then in the end it's basically, fuck you, you lose... in ways you can only imagine.

 

[Derrick01]

How come the game journalists in question get paid to do what they do?

Because they do what the big publishers want them to do.

 

[Felix Lighter]

The game has huge issues! Especially the fact that day one DLC was "optional". But I did not see any problems with the ending. Seemed crazy, but nothing out of ordinary for Mass Effect. (I've been reading OP and still somewhat confused. There are a lot of plot holes all throughout the series, why are people so obsessed with the ending?)

Are you disagreeing with the points made against the ending or are you agreeing with the points but believe the franchise was consistently horrible through out?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Defies logic. Negates player choice. Abrupt. Poorly written. Thematically inconsistent. Vent kid. Indoctrination. Space magic.

I think that covers the main points.

 

[HK-47]

Exactly. Deus Ex:HR endings were lazy in terms of design, but they made sense in that world.

The ME3 ones... well, not so much. After failing to make sense of the Catalyst dialog, I was trying to decide between doing what the Illusive man wanted, destroying the recently free Geth, or that middle one that I didn't really got. Walked to close the beam and started the green-space-magic. Not a good feeling.

Look, you see a crazy beam of light, you dont just walk into it. Could have green space magic in it that turns your hat into a robot.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Look, you see a crazy beam of light, you dont just walk into it. Could have green space magic in it that turns your hat into a robot.

Goddamn space wizards always fucking with our hats.

 

[Lime]

Look, you see a crazy beam of light, you dont just walk into it. Could have green space magic in it that turns your hat into a robot.

I hope Bioware's upcoming clarification DLC involves a dialogue tree describing how hats become robots.

 

[Massa]

And bleak. I guess that fits with "thematically inconsistent." Shepard always wins through the series... then in the end it's basically, fuck you, you lose... in ways you can only imagine.

That's the part of it I actually liked.

And there's a lot of loss and bleak moments in ME3, and they're the best moments of the game.

 

[Resident_UA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You people are over thinking this . I don't even think that Bioware has resources to create the ending that everyone would like. I think that the that the goal of the ending was to kill off Sheppard and to reemphasize how insignificant everything in the universe is (how self destructing the universe is). I'm more pissed about framerate being worse than in ME2 that the ending. )))

 

[RedRedSuit]

That's the part of it I actually liked.

But....

This isn't...

Ugh.

 

[RedRedSuit]

And there's a lot of loss and bleak moments in ME3, and they're the best moments of the game.

Yes, there are, like Thessia, and they're great, because they're all catalysts to propel to a reward that never comes. That's the shit of it.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Exactly. Deus Ex:HR endings were lazy in terms of design, but they made sense in that world.

The ME3 ones... well, not so much. After failing to make sense of the Catalyst dialog, I was trying to decide between doing what the Illusive man wanted, destroying the recently free Geth, or that middle one that I didn't really got. Walked to close the beam and started the green-space-magic. Not a good feeling.

Don't feel bad about it, thanks to you Jocker's hat finally has life.

You people are over thinking this . I don't even think that Bioware has resources to create the ending that everyone would like. I think that the that the goal of the ending was to kill off Sheppard and to reemphasize how insignificant everything in the universe is (how self destructing the universe is). I'm more pissed about framerate being worse than in ME2 that the ending. )))

Static images and narration would be cheap, easy to modify and effective.

 

[Resident_UA]

Are you disagreeing with the points made against the ending or are you agreeing with the points but believe the franchise was consistently horrible through out?

I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't think that it was horrible, but I think that it was somewhat obvious that there was no way they could deliver what they promised. I accepted inconsistencies in overarching story because I enjoyed smaller moments in the game.

 

[RedRedSuit]

You people are over thinking this .

It's likely that you're just underthinking it.

 

[rozay]

The Protheans were also continually contrasted with the modern cycle, with the game heavily implying if not outright stating that the major reason the Protheans failed is that they were imperialistic and didn't work with other races to beat the Reapers. And that the reason the modern cycle did stand a chance is because they did just that. It was ultimately a galactic effort - over the course of many cycles - that stopped the Reapers by the end. Though I'm not sure how much of that you get if you never got the Javik DLC (I still maintain that making that DLC is by far the worst thing Bioware/EA did with ME3).

You get absolutely none of that without the DLC. It's terrible.

 

[DTKT]

You people are over thinking this . I don't even think that Bioware has resources to create the ending that everyone would like. I think that the that the goal of the ending was to kill off Sheppard and to reemphasize how insignificant everything in the universe is (how self destructing the universe is). I'm more pissed about framerate being worse than in ME2 that the ending. )))

)))))))))

 

[chickdigger802]

Man, been listening to too many podcasts about this shit.

My brain is confused.

What's the 'people's' stance right now?

Do we actually want to 'know' what's happening everything?

 

[Rebel Leader]

It's likely that you're just underthinking it.

The people infected with TITS are definitely over thinking it

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