Maybe in 20 years when new shows are televised via the internet you'll be able to download bikini costume DLC for anime like you can with games.
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Maybe in 20 years when new shows are televised via the internet you'll be able to download bikini costume DLC for anime like you can with games.
Jex
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Only perverts watch people dance. Eww.
Because people have underwear under skirts, which may show when they go up a bit?
Seriously, it's hilarious to see people so offended and outraged by panties when they're presented in this fashion. Even movies from the American 1940s show panties briefly when there's a dance where a woman kicks up her leg or something. People in here are more morally outraged at this than 1940s America would be (other than it being Japanese made...)
Awful.
Exactly. what do people think women only wear bloomers or something under those dresses? Like I said, in ballroom dancing when they are spinning around you see panties and it doesnt detract from anything. Its just there. Its also there for titillation. and it works.
My Uncle/Aunt were professional ballroom dancers and my Aunt travels the world teaching dancing.
I was invited to watch several ballroom dance competitions in New Orleans.
Jex
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So you're Icarus' alt!
In all seriousness - I don't exactly understand what you mean. Would you rather they spent A) that one minute of really nice animation on some random episode, or would you rather B) they spread out the money they spent on the OP across the series?
Because if you'd rather they did A) then that sequence will presumably be used only once and is therefore less important than the OP or it you'd prefer B) then you're basically going to see very little different to the show because it would be so spread out.
Your bad taste in waifus shows strong with this one, my bro.
This is an idea worth pursuing.
In the middle of watching Lupin the III: The Fuma Conspiracy.
First thing, I think this is a blast to watch in motion. Great background art and animation.
Then, the second car chase scene... pretty much on par (if not better) with the one in Cagliostro.
Watching it again. *Rewind*
First thing, I think this is a blast to watch in motion. Great background art and animation.
Then, the second car chase scene... pretty much on par (if not better) with the one in Cagliostro.
Watching it again. *Rewind*
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Mags > all.
Jex
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Because people have underwear under skirts, which may show when they go up a bit?
Seriously, it's hilarious to see people so offended and outraged by panties when they're presented in this fashion. Even movies from the American 1940s show panties briefly when there's a dance where a woman kicks up her leg or something. People in here are more morally outraged at this than 1940s America would be (other than it being Japanese made...)
Awful.
I don't really think there's any 'moral outrage' over the issue. It's just an unnecessary and unsavoury addition to a great show. I'll explain why.
Your comparison to movies, of any kind, isn't entirely helpful. The camera simply records everything that it sees (although of course certain things are edited out) where as in animation you chose to draw in those shots of underwear. This is an important distinction.
Secondly, it's not the severity of the fanservice that causes offensive, it's they very fact of it's presence and the implied reasons why it was added in the first place. When someone sees that fanservice has been added into a work you realise that the studio has added in those images to appeal to otaku's enjoyment of erotic imagery. This is unsavoury, because no-one wants to draw a connection between their (relatively) tasteful show and otaku masturbating all over it.
One day you will see the truth of my claim.
Jex
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Your inability to enjoy Ringo's episodes reveals a deep seated flaw in your character.
This is hilariously elitist and suggests this kind of show can't be viewed in a more lighthearted fashion.
Sorry, but classy shows belong just as much to otaku as hey do to conoisseurs.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Quite a hipster thing to say.
And this is the reason the animu industry is the way it is.
Jex
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Generic character designs tend to look fairly generic.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The director chooses what to shoot though. Michael Bay knows what he is doing when he shoots women, for example.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Decided to pass the time until spring starts
Hana Kimi 1 (Hanazakari no Kimitachi e)
I shouldn't have waited this long to check this out.
Large and quirky cast, great OST (dat main theme) and many over the top moments.
The main girl also makes a pretty convincing male!
with Jdrama's!
Hana Kimi 1 (Hanazakari no Kimitachi e)
I shouldn't have waited this long to check this out.
Large and quirky cast, great OST (dat main theme) and many over the top moments.
The main girl also makes a pretty convincing male!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
But is it better than Korra?
But when you say that, you deny animation even the option of using sexual or titillating themes in any meaningful way. Maids and dancing have an inherent... sexual is too strong a word... but somewhat erotic(?) quality to them.
Jex
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It just has crappy voice acting, I'm afraid.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Yes. I'm sure Zeroshiki will back me up on this!
All I see is a bit of marketing done within tasteful limitations. A lot of the pantyshots in Soremachi were "censored" with the flash of light type censoring, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that they were actually there to begin with, and were censored on TV and left as is on the home release. Them being there in the first place makes sense because girls have panties under their clothes, so an animator may draw them for the sake of realism and/or minor titillation for the audience. Not too shocking I'd say.
No, dresden knows whats up. P3lizabeth is best Elizabeth
Neko Mimi Mode
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As much as I dislike fanservice for the sake of fanservice, I'd be more than willing to let SHAFT be SHAFT and go nuts all over a Moon Phase S3, if they made it. Your otaku-pandering is made null and void by the powers of Hazuki's cuteness.
Bayhem.
Bayhem.
Bro-fist
You're an Aoibro, I look to the rightful Queen. Our paths are clear! Let us just pray that we never have to cross swords.
Because it's in english?
Jex
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Well, of course, that's their prerogative. That's not entirely what I was getting at though (camera angles and all). Perhaps I should make myself clearer - if you film someone twirling energetically in a skirt you'll inevitably capture such imagery. It's not a choice. However, adding in particular snippets of such imagery is a choice because there was no real person twirling to take reference from - everything was created from the group up for very specific purposes.
If you consider the number of female characters who move around energetically and manage to have them constantly defy gravity you'll see what I'm talking about. One of those rare exceptions to the rule is Airmaster, but that show is very consistent about that.
So animation should self-censor itself simply because it's animation?
You're a prude.
Jex
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I see we've moved from a 'moral outrage' to a 'shock'. I don't think either of those descriptions fit the extremely sedate (perhaps boring?) tone of this discussion.
Once again, all my earlier comments still apply, whether or not they were there originally or not.
Neko Mimi Mode
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To be fair, he's talking after the fact. If it was there originally, nobody would be discussing it now.
If the monocles had their way all the time, anime would be dead and buried. Classy shows are a nice watch but hardly anyone buys those.
BROFIST
No, because she was a judge of the competitions.
Right. In those situations IRL you would expect to see pantsu or some form of underwear. Its drawn the same way. We're not talking about Agent aika here where women choose to fight in nothing but underwear.
I would totally watch another season of Moonphase. I would buy special edition discs of it again too like I did with the first.
Jex
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I'm not aware that I've stated a prescriptivist stance on this issue, or any stance in fact, on censorship or morality.
As I mentioned in my post that you've quoted, anime generally censors itself anyway. 95% of time when certain character movements would lead to a pantyshot they do not, because of magical physics. This is perhaps a new phenomenon, because stuff like Panda Go Panda! has oodles of such shots all the over place.
Jex
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No. There is such a thing as good English voice acting - see stuff like Uncharted.
I didn't move anything but okay. I just used a different word. While you may be expressing yourself in such a calm way through forum posts, I can still sense the outrage boiling within you.
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Ultimadrago
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Oh my, now that I need to pop in and see...
Dedication Through Light
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So ep 25 of persona 4 doesnt conclude the series, or am I confused? Seems odd to hold the ending hostage on disc until August :/
Hopefully Sentai gets that episode too, and yes for them getting home video rights for both seasons of Phi Brain!
Hopefully Sentai gets that episode too, and yes for them getting home video rights for both seasons of Phi Brain!
Uncharted is ok but hardly an example of great English voice acting. Of course this is hard to judge partly because the whole game series is satirical and witty, and cheesy one-liners are a large part of the script.
I was joking there, but really; we must not be watching the same show. I find VA in Korra to be fantastic.
Ultimadrago
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Dresden speaks the truth on this.
Sweet. Perhaps, I'll watch this Lupin film next.
To be honest, this sounds pretty close to prescribing a moral stance:
And even so, I was arguing for the valid inclusion of fanservice where it fits appropriately, while your responses have been arguing against.
Jex
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Careful, you're making it sound like some kind of community.
A Black Falcon
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First, anything set in a maid cafe is from the grounds up fanservicey. Even without pantyshots, maid costumes are one of the major forms of anime otaku costume fanservice, and they're probably the top one that isn't normal clothing people today wear. By putting anime characters in maid costumes you automatically have fanservice. So, when you have something like that and then it has pantyshots... um, why in the world would anyone be surprised? It's stupid fanservice with or without them!
Beyond that, the obvious solution for anyone complaining about too many pantyshots is for there to be more nopan instead, right?
Beyond that, the obvious solution for anyone complaining about too many pantyshots is for there to be more nopan instead, right?
No one is saying that anime should have more discretion in regulating the presence of titillating content, intentional or otherwise, than any other visual medium. Anime is fundamentally more in control of every aspect of visual composition than is film, but that's not the focus of the discussion. The problem is that the pantyshots were deliberately edited in when the lack of such shots was not incongruous with what would be visible from the camera angles and character/cloth movement in the "original" versions of the Soredemo OP scenes in question.
People here are just trying to make a judgment on whether or not these shots should have been added. No one is approaching the issue from a moral angle whatsoever.
First, anything set in a maid cafe is from the grounds up fanservicey. Even without pantyshots, maid costumes are one of the major forms of anime otaku costume fanservice, and they're probably the top one that isn't normal clothing people today wear. By putting anime characters in maid costumes you automatically have fanservice. So, when you have something like that and then it has pantyshots... um, why in the world would anyone be surprised? It's stupid fanservice with or without them!
Beyond that, the obvious solution for anyone complaining about too many pantyshots is for there to be more nopan instead, right?
I'd like to see a studio with the cojones to do this and then claim "there is no pantyshots in this anime!"
Jex
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To assume that morality and offence are intrinsically linked is really to conflate two different issues. I might be offended by your choice of tie but that's hardly a moral issue.
That's certainly seems like a conclusion.
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