DragonKnight
Member
Yep. Clearly all developers aren't playing with the same ball. Why would some developers say that nintendo is listening to feedback and others say that the platform is weak? Guess some people just aren't in the know.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Yep. Clearly all developers aren't playing with the same ball. Why would some developers say that nintendo is listening to feedback and others say that the platform is weak? Guess some people just aren't in the know.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Ah, OK.
When it comes to PR spreading out specs, I agree, however I'm interesting to learn about the hardware on a deeper level. I don't care about the theoretical performance and stats, these are things that people love to hang on, but I would still love to learn about the architecture specifics and such.
Basically it's all out of pure interest to me, nothing more.
Forsaken82
Member
Well that is a completely different scenario then, but the comment you made that I responded to made it out to seem like you felt it should be global knowledge to everyone as opposed to being merely interested in it yourself.
DefectiveReject
Banned
Tis true.
I produce business applications at a higher rate and a much lower bug rate, than either our IS manager or systems director have experienced before at other companies.
My IS manager is rather.perplexed. I just tell him I find it easy to do.
Look around the webs on coding forums and you'll see "developers" not knowing how to do things efficiently and sometimes basics. They blame tools and things people left behind. Could be the case here...?
This is what I want to see. All the sane ones in here know it's more powerful than the P60 and is likely to pump out some gorgeous games so I want Nintendo to come to the party and silence (at least some) of the haters.
snowdog1971
Banned
I strongly suspect that after feedback and requests from developers we'll see both clickable circle pads and analog triggers.
I'm not too keen on clickable sticks myself, I usually end up clicking them by accident when playing under stress lol.
Sounds pretty probable - at one time in the field of computing, programming games was considered to be some of the most challenging due to the amount of low-level work required (as well as the limited resources available, especially with closed systems like games consoles).
Here's my post one of the other Wii U threads on the matter...
O-O~
They are all getting duped.
No, you're correct, I did say it was odd for Nintendo to boast about their graphical capabilities, checking those boxes =p, but they shy away from specifics when asked.
You commented how I shouldn't care unless I'm a developer and we went from there.
Regardless, it is interesting how they try to walk this fine line of trying to show off what their system is capable of but without revealing too much.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I made an image proving how ridiculously easy this is to spoof but the thread got closed before I could post it
so I am going to use this here
I made an image proving how ridiculously easy this is to spoof but the thread got closed before I could post it
so I am going to use this here
Wow, the ninjas will take you for leaking that shit. Btw, I'm still alive.
Hehe.I made an image proving how ridiculously easy this is to spoof but the thread got closed before I could post it
so I am going to use this here
Just sharing the "information".
There is so much shit going around it's scaring me
I made an image proving how ridiculously easy this is to spoof but the thread got closed before I could post it
so I am going to use this here
WII U ALREADY RELEASED
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
So it's the CPU now.
CVG said:
'Cause earlier this week it was:
CVG said:
But hey, it's ok to post contradictory information in the span of a week - it's not the journalist's fault, it's the damn sources.
ColdBlooder
Banned
ShockingAlberto
Member
Nope, it's not, as long as it's more powerful than the PS3/360. If it is a half way gap, I'll be beaming. A Zelda game that's on the same scale and visual achievement as Skyrim? Wow. I've been dreaming of that for years.
I'm for this. We've pretty much exhausted the discussion and conversation, and have suffered both ends of the hype train. There's little meaning left to this thread and others.
Any significant news comes out, and we'll make a thread, just like normal.
GAF Gold members, put "Lock the Wii U threads!" image you see below into your signature to let the mods know how many people support this motion.
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Sorry, I must have skimmed a post or two from this thread while giving directions to my capable forces.
It was actually on store shelves seven years ago.
No that cant be it, according to sources Wii U can't keep up with even that
ColdBlooder
Banned
Well, the nice thing about this is that the CPU thing is easily explainable (devs who rely on unoptimized middleware or are too lazy or stupid to use the dedicated silicon and try to do everything on the CPU instead have issues), while the "clarified" statements about the GPU and RAM are now in line with what known developers like Gearbox, Epic or Vigil say.
Sammy Samusu
Member
#gamechanger
AceBandage
Banned
Oh man, im just NeoGAF lime green member
Dude, there's no such thing. You're being scammed
by me
Oh man, im just NeoGAF lime green member
Gold's only 10$ a month more!
And by that I mean Lime Green doesn't exist, you're paying nothing. Ace has you by the balls.
so all of this "The Sky is Falling" is for nothing?
Are these not the same middleware that Nintendo had press releases about? How long until these issues are solved and devs take back what they have been saying?
I would like to see a dev that was saying negative things come back and say wow but will this ever happen? I believe you ideaman but I think those devs will continue to have negative things to say. I wonder which publisher is forcing them to make WiiU games
Some middleware are actually supported and running on the Wii U, without being announced. And the benchmarks on this system were some times meh, UNTIL optimizations or hardware changes. I think some of them will do all the promotional efforts when their software will run at least properly.
For the take back, well, doom & gloom leaks are more click-generating than "everything is fine" for websites. But you can't exclude the possibility that some of the negative vocals ones will take back their assessments, if they are true, when the hardware and software development tools kits will be fully polished/finished.
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btw, darkchild seems to be really irritated by me lol.
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Well... just do a research on Speculation Thread 2 & 3 by my nickname, you'll see that a bunch of what i posted wasn't vague at all. And for lherre to say what he said about my informations, believe me, i told him things never heard before about the Wii U, that can only prove that i have well some insiders infos (from a specific context).
It start to be irritating actually to see some posters to come back to "i doubt ideaman" thing every one or two week because someone is pissed by the fact that i wasn't as poorly received as arkam, whereas a lot of people explained the different situations.
And just chill out and think about it 2 minutes. Do this research that i advised you, with my name. Do you really think that someone have the time to consolidate a lot of Wii U infos + spice it up with wall of texts of contexts and parameters explanations that he would have invented from i don't know where, do this for 1 month, in hundreds of messages, etc ? I'm on the web since the 90's, the fake "trolls" aren't acting like that, the messages are far shorter, and in such a long period, with such many posts, you spot inconsistencies.
And yeah, i'm offended, because i appreciated you, but it's like some of you have a pleasure to publicly state for the 10th time their doubts against me. I'm becoming a way to demonstrate to the persons attacking you for your disdain for these bad articles about the Wii U that no, you're not a blinded Nintendo Fanboy that only believe "positive rumors", because "hey, see, i doubt ideaman also".
DefectiveReject
Banned
So
I'm rather tempted to send an email to gaming sites.
I can send it through an exchange mail server that doesn't need credentials. So I can spoof the sender and return address completely. I do it at work and fool people into thinking the CEO wants tea making
I can word the email from EA and say the WiiU is awesomely underpowered and we're considering holding back from release or something.... lol.
I'm just not sure whether the spam filter will label it on the way out as it doesn't internally
Would be fun....lol
I'm rather tempted to send an email to gaming sites.
I can send it through an exchange mail server that doesn't need credentials. So I can spoof the sender and return address completely. I do it at work and fool people into thinking the CEO wants tea making
I can word the email from EA and say the WiiU is awesomely underpowered and we're considering holding back from release or something.... lol.
I'm just not sure whether the spam filter will label it on the way out as it doesn't internally
Would be fun....lol
DefectiveReject
Banned
Yep wire me the monies and me and my Nigerian Brethren will set up your account......
Edit..... crap double posted..... how retarded of me
LOL. Please do this. Try to get the name of someone that works at DICE and send it.
AceBandage
Banned
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NST just become a lot more interesting.
NST just become a lot more interesting.
Nice. I know his last project he worked on was Uncharted 3, so hopefully he'll help Nintendo build the bridge to the land of HD.
Forsaken82
Member
It shouldn't be irritating in the slightest... they don't believe random anonymous sources leaking to certain sites, why would they believe some random anonymous Neogaf Poster who gets his information from random anonymous sources? You should come to expect it.
Me personally, if I was in your situation, I would just stop talking about it
well, I hope you're right. But I doubt. I mean: still today there are complaints about Wii's graphical performances
It shouldn't be irritating in the slightest... they don't believe random anonymous sources leaking to certain sites, why would they believe some random anonymous Neogaf Poster who gets his information from random anonymous sources? You should come to expect it.
Me personally, if I was in your situation, I would just stop talking about it
I wouldn't. I would just throw it all out there. It would be easier for "us" and if he doesn't like being called into question, for him as well. Short pain.
PS: obviously i'm talking about the info he is able to disclose, without compromising himself or his sources.
Now hang on, I don't for one minute hate you nor do I get no pleasure in voicing my doubts.
I'm sure you can understand our collective frustration at this moment in time due to the negative articles and rumours that have been generated recently, and it's because of this pressure that I've begun to doubt my own beliefs and ideas.
I'm sorry to have doubted you and your credibility, but you must understand that in order to make a bit more sense of this, I had to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Sounds clichéd, I know, but it's genuine.
Now I haven't always been around to see your posts, so maybe I was harsh in judging the quality and accuracy of your contribution, but from what I've read more recently, in this thread in particular, it seems like your words have wained a little, or rather, lacked definition.
I know you proclaimed yourself dedicated to 'spicing up' the talks here on the road till E3, and helping us reach the right conclusions through your gentle nudging, and through this I understand why you may have been vague here and there (because it's surely difficult to maintain direction without giving too much away), and I respect and appreciate your efforts to do so, I really do.
Looking back on some of your previous posts (which I must say have been handily bolded in the correct places to highlight the importance of certain phrases!), I can safely say that you've helped keep us on track, and have laid the breadcrumbs, so to speak, from time to time to help us reach conclusions on the Wii U's stance in the gaming world.
Hell, if it wasn't for your clarification on the uses of the tablet and how this fit in with Nintendo's GPU of choice, I wouldn't have realised that it's an adaptable machine that dictates visual fidelity through how much the pad is used.
I just began to question all this when all this news started to pour through.
With all these conflicting views, I cast my mind back to some of the things you have posted in the past, and fro a moment it struck me as if you were being rather elusive in revealing info and details, which caused me to jump to the conclusion, albeit hesitantly, that you might not know as much as members in this thread have said you do.
Now I fully appreciate why this has caused you to become offended and/or disappointed in me and other members on this board, and so I apologise for this - but now you've taken the time to reply and substantiate your comments, I think it's time for me to get back on the Ideaman boat, as it were.
By asking me to go back and look at some of your past posts in the other threads (god knows how many we've had), I have in fact realised that your little pieces of info here and there, albeit infrequent, have helped us gain a better understanding of the console.
And even your dedication to providing us with news stories from around the web here and there is vastly welcomed by myself.
The more to talk about, good or bad, the better!
So I ask for two things - understanding and ultimately forgiveness. In the blinding storm of negativity that has washed over this forum as of late, I was hasty to switch my mind, and maybe that's a reflection of my true self - often doubtful and uncertain in my own decisions.
In the same vein, however, you must be able to understand, after watching us grow so quickly in our eagerness for info, that it's easy to begin to question sources of information, after so many ambiguous and unsupported pieces of news from across the web, all coming in at once in the past few days.
I just hope you realise I never believed you were a 'troll' or a tease, just that you shared some qualities - which is why I felt is so difficult to draw a line between these two worlds and define your credibility!
But now I see I have done wrong, and I hope, once more, we can begin valuable and focused discussion - but more importantly, that we can be fwends.
Oh, and just out of interest - where does your name and avatar come from?
hmmm. Interesting stuff indeed. I get the feeling he'll be making eshop games though or other 3DS software. Just a hunch.
It shouldn't be irritating in the slightest... they don't believe random anonymous sources leaking to certain sites, why would they believe some random anonymous Neogaf Poster who gets his information from random anonymous sources? You should come to expect it.
Me personally, if I was in your situation, I would just stop talking about it
I was the first to encourage people to doubt what i'll write in my very first message because of the context in which i've gathered my information (3rd party, second-hand knowledge, non-techies sources, etc.).
Read again well what i wrote. It's irritating to be BACK to this "i doubt ideaman" every now and then. I acknowledge that some persons won't believe me, but a lot of them already declared it, why repeating it everytime they are attacked by another poster who claim they are nintendo fanboy who only believe in positive rumors ? I refuse to be a way for some gafers that i used to appreciate, to prove their fairness, like "hey, don't say i'm only criticizing this CVG or GI or arkam rumors because they are bad ! look, i doubt ideaman positive leaks also !". There's a lack of respect in this manner (in repeating it).
And usually, i don't come back to this subject but i wanted to make a point, because if tomorrow another interview state that the wii u is underpowered, i refuse to be a tool for some in order to demonstrate their "objectivity".
Forsaken82
Member
But see, I would let you guys stew because clearly you WANT to know what he knows, whether his information is accurate or not. Personally, If my integrity was brought into question, I would just stop supplying info to you guys. But again, thats just me
But see, I would let you guys stew because clearly you WANT to know what he knows, whether his information is accurate or not. Personally, If my integrity was brought into question, I would just stop supplying info to you guys. But again, thats just me
But that's the thing. His integrety is brought into question BECAUSE he teases and never gives concrete info (eg "1gig or more and then some more" versus "1.5GB RAM"). Or at least that's how i see it.
But i already had this discussion with Ideaman through PM.
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