That is true, PS3 discs are custom in that way indeed. But i think that there is a reason why the logo is used, while it wont be used on WiiU games (same case with Wii and DVD logo).A physical Blu-ray disk using either BDFS or Joliet. PS3 games are not computer readable as far as I'm aware, as they use a custom file system and copy protection. And don't overestimate those logos. A ton of audio CDs carrying the official "Compact Disk Digital Audio" logo, including many from Sony Music, use copy protection schemes that don't follow the standard, which means they're technically not allowed to carry the logo. Nobody gives a fuck, though.
What was the price of the ps3slim in 2009?
wsippel said:Dunno, but the last BoM we got from one of the HD systems was probably the PS3 Slim BoM from 2009:
Well sites shouldn't post speculation and rumour as news
What was the price of the ps3slim in 2009?
Well, Nintendo doesn't pay for the licenses so they're not allowed to carry the logos. It's really that simple. Not that the logos would mean anything in those cases to begin with. The whole point is to prove standard conformity for the sake of compatibility - the Blu-ray logo on PS3 games is absolutely worthless and tells you fuck all as the disks won't play on anything but a PS3. They should play on any device bearing the logo if the logo actually had any meaning. It doesn't.That is true, PS3 discs are custom in that way indeed. But i think that there is a reason why the logo is used, while it wont be used on WiiU games (same case with Wii and DVD logo).
What was the price of the ps3slim in 2009?
$299, I'm pretty sure.
Thats how much I paid for mine at its launch in 2009
Based on what I know, wsippel is correct. Even though the Wii doesn't play DVDs because Nintendo saw no need to increase costs with the Wii, it could with a homebrew program that didn't alter any physical parts within the Wii console itself.
I expect all next gen consoles will use "blu ray" disks. Good choice by Nintendo to go with that format and not "DVD" again (like the Xbox 360 did)
They'll definitelly have lots of videos for it. Hell they even did for Nintendo Direct.I was browsing through the eShop, and I noticed the GDC version of Nintendo Show 3D had it's own opening graphics. It was just a combination of the normal opening and last E3's "Nintendo Network" graphics, but they definitely wanted to separate event coverage from the normal show.
It'd be awesome if there were multiple daily spotpass updates with new videos of demos up dated throughout E3. It's a great tool to promote third party exclusives, 1st and second party and multiplatform games with Wii U features, directly to the Nintendo audience. "E3 3D Show"
this gave me blue ballshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r6L7Pkgpas
Believe !
This theme... Please...
Kenn Lobb said at multiples times that he would like to bring back the franchise, do eet with Nintendo, that's all ! We need to operation-rainfall-kickstart-facebook-pressure this !
wiiU costs 180 dollars to manufactureC'mon, we're in the 2 months before E3. Where's the rumour of the day!
So according to this article could we make up how much each component costs? An estimate?
http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/rumor-wii-u-price.php
Controller is 50, so we have 180-50 = 130
NFC = 5
130-5 = 125
How much would 2gb or ram cost?
The cheapest blue ray drive on amazon now is bing sold for 54, so the manufacturing costs will be around 30 now?
The Wii U will probably use something like blueray or maybe HDDVD (nearly impossible to find reduces risk of piracy)
So according to this article could we make up how much each component costs? An estimate?
http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/rumor-wii-u-price.php
Controller is 50, so we have 180-50 = 130
NFC = 5
130-5 = 125
How much would 2gb or ram cost?
The cheapest blue ray drive on amazon now is bing sold for 54, so the manufacturing costs will be around 30 now?
The Wii U will probably use something like blueray or maybe HDDVD/CBHD (nearly impossible to find except for china were its really popular, so it reduces risk of piracy)
I know I might get flamed for saying this, but I never understood what the draw with Killer Instinct was. I enjoyed the first two games for what they were but I never found them to be anything spectacular.
Mind you, I'm someone who isn't a fan of any Western fighting games, including Mortal Kombat. I think the Japanese ones are the best personally.
Still, every fighting game seems to have its hardcore fans. Except that Star Wars one probably
They'll definitelly have lots of videos for it. Hell they even did for Nintendo Direct.
It doesn't work like that Nintendo doesn't exactly shop at Amazon for their parts.
We don't know what type of bd-drive the Wii U will use, but it will likely be akin to a slim one (laptop style drive)
And it won't use HD DVD.....HD DVD first off is a dead format, and second off it was never 25GB (either 15 or 30 double layer)
Isnt the nfc supposed to be in the controller
Mmm dunno if that'll happen. We could get daily updates but it would take too long to edit them for every hour.Ya, but I want same-day off-the-show-floor updates. I want that little blue light glowing every hour with a new video.
I think though CBHD is alive and well in china (A costum HDDVD) a double layered dual sided may go up to 60 GB. But ye its probably a costume Blueray its holds 25 gb.
Those talking about the cost of the materials to build the game system - realize that that cost means very little at the start of a console's lifespan. Because many millions of dollars will have gone into the development of the game system - a large part of the unit price goes into paying down the development cost, as if it were a debt (which in some cases, it really is a debt).
iSupply does. You can buy it for the low, low price of $3995.Anyone has the bom of xbox360 slim?
This was BOM when 3DS at launch was $250 at retailers. That's $150 more than the bill of materials.
So a $180 bill of materials with a $300 retail price is not outside of realm of possibility.
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Those isuppli numbers were incorrect iirc.
Those isuppli numbers were incorrect iirc.
This was BOM when 3DS at launch was $250 at retailers. That's $150 more at retail than the bill of materials.
So a $180 bill of materials with a $300 retail price for Wii U is not outside of realm of possibility.
Got a link to the correct numbers?
Yes, that was before they actually decapped the chips, so some assumptions were based on common rumors and turned out to be wrong. The LSI (CPU/GPU/DSP/VRAM package) and the RAM turned out to be more powerful and expensive than they expected.Those isuppli numbers were incorrect iirc.
Sorry I don't, I just remember them being debunked on gaf or b3d or something prior to the system launching.
Nintendo is making a loss by selling the 3DS 180$. Cost of the hardware is 100$.
Marketing and production cost must be high as shit.
Yes, that was before they actually decapped the chips, so some assumptions were based on common rumors and turned out to be wrong. The LSI (CPU/GPU/DSP/VRAM package) and the RAM turned out to be more powerful and expensive than they expected.
Well just to build on my point:
Kinect cost around $54-56 in BOM according to reports.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/kinect-bill-of-materials-around-56/10331
Microsoft charged $150 for it in November 2010. If Kinect really costs around $54-56, is it hard to believe than the Wii U controller wouldn't cost more than Kinect in BOM?
I bet Kinect even went down in price more now that it's 2012.
Edit: Meant to say Wii U controller
I think Nintendo should go with ridiculously low expectations this time.
That way, when they sell more they can say "We've exceeded expectations."
Look at the difference.
Nintendo sell 3.6 million 3DS consoles instead of 4 million = DOOMED
Sony sell 1.2 million Vitas instead of whatever they were predicting = EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS
It's like a stupid kid taking a test and the teacher being pleased beacuse instead of scoring his usual D- he got a D+, where as the teacher is disappointed with the smart kid for only scoring A-.
Not just that, but many people take a slice of the money pie on its way to consumer hands. Its not as simple as people think. The average Joe looks at it and says "oh Nintendo should be selling it to me for $110 if its only costs them $100 to make!" But average Joe doesn't understand the entire business side to obtaining that Nintendo item. Its a very complicated process that involves many partners and companies, and many things are factored into a retail price. To get the whole console side of everything correct, one has to go back to the beginning of when a system is first developed in R&D and plan accordingly.
Its not like Nintendo gets all the parts, magically put together, and then all of a sudden its in stores for $70 more and Nintendo makes all that profit. Never mind that the isupply number is probably somewhat inaccurate to begin with.
Consider that Nintendo made $6 off the Wii at launch, on "old technology" in 2006.
When factoring in all the other costs, it adds up quite a bit. There's also other things to take into consideration; manufacturers can deal up with retailers to drop the price of their consoles (as was popular with the 4GB 360 S last month for several weeks) so they may recuperate costs by consumers purchasing say a Kinect or several games along with accessories. This in the end is more $ back in Microsoft's hands, and in turn is also of benefit to the retailer. Of course, these things are done over a limited basis.
Last month, with an online rebate from Nintendo of Canada, people could purchase a brand new 3DS for $119 depending on where one purchased it from. Rebates are another entirely different way to entice consumers to pick up your product, but the result is similar: it communicates an "excellent value" for the consumer, especially if the item is popular.
Its very complicated to explain writing nothing short of an essay.
I think the BOM will definetly be atleast 215 or more.
All my calculations are really optimistic and cheap. It doesnt add up.
Its like Im saying to myself that the ram will only cost 15-20, and at the same time I know I might be lying to myself. I leave myself with around 75 dollars for GPU and graphics processor. Not counting any built in memory.
I think the BOM will definetly be atleast 215 or more.
All my calculations are really optimistic and cheap.
A blue-ray drive for 30?
2GB of high quality ram for 15-20?
It doesnt add up, I leave myself with around 75 dollars for GPU and graphics. Im lying to my self definitely, that components are that cheap.
Not counting any built in memory.
I bet Nintendo could buy a processor that is much more powerful than 360/PS3 for really, really cheap. People assume when they see a $300 price tag that the console wouldn't be powerful.
GPU that is 2 times more powerful than 360/PS3 wouldn't put much of a dent in Nintendo's costs. And the GPU would go down in costs every year.
I bet Nintendo could buy a processor that is much more powerful than 360/PS3 for really, really cheap. People assume when they see a $300 price tag that the console wouldn't be powerful.