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[The Anti-Monitor]

That 90 days nothing thing is simply ludicrous.

Yep. That, I couldn't do.

I have completely given up hard-core. I'm only watching still pictures now, stuff that would be in Playboy. It's taking me longer than ever to fap, but it's worth it.

My orgasms feel better than ever. Totally worth it.

I urge everyone to do it as well.

Uh... why?

 

[Suairyu]

Because people who have sex don't look at porn.

Because that's totes what I said.

Yep. That, I couldn't do.

It's cool. People who accept failure before even thinking about a task don't win.

 

[FoxSpirit]

That 90 days nothing thing is simply ludicrous.

How about: Alcohol, not a single drop ever again??

Nowadays overthrown, but you need to quit until you yourself have chaged the things that turned you on to abuse the first thing.

And the times where I was on once a month where certainly my better ones. Well, I'll relax and just slowly cut back.

 

[Suairyu]

That 90 days nothing thing is simply ludicrous.

Nope. You're quitting a chemical addiction. Like a drug. 90 days is the "rehab" period to rebuild your dopamine sensors.

Seriously, after the first few weeks your sexual urges crash. Once you get to that stage, the next month is easy. It starts getting hard again once you "recover" and normal sexual urges resume.

OH, I forgot another benefit:
It makes yo' dick bigger. I mean, not actually, but its flaccid state is just so much more swingin', you know?

But seriously, read the thread and the websites. Stop being naysayers without the research or experience.

 

[Boozeroony]

Nope. Seriously, after the first few weeks your sexual urges crash. Once you get to that stage, the next month is easy. It starts getting hard again once you "recover" and normal sexual urges resume.

OH, I forgot another benefit:
It makes yo' dick bigger. I mean, not actually, but its flaccid state is just so much more swingin', you know?

But seriously, read the thread and the websites. Stop being naysayers without the research or experience.

Imma try this shit. Going celibate for the next 3 months.

 

[Man]

Suairyu, how efficient were you in getting rid of the mental fantasies? I just can't do it captain.
I have been edging from time to time and I've had mental fantasies pretty much every day but I have sustained from anything else. Twelve weeks this Sunday.

 

[Vermillion]

Because that's totes what I said.
It's cool. People who accept failure before even thinking about a task don't win.

So, since she's female, I'm pretty sure nothing you've said applies...

In regards to your other post... I go for porn like, once a week or less. Why do I care about the flaccid state?

 

[Darklord]

But seriously, read the thread and the websites. Stop being naysayers without the research or experience.

I'm not being a naysayer. I'm saying I don't need it and others wouldn't either and I watch tons of porn. I don't NEED the hard stuff to get off and found doing it less(though not 90 days) made it worse downstairs. If you really can't cum after 10 minutes of jacking with no porn or can't even get a hard on to a hot picture of a girl then sure, do it then.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

Yeah, I think I realised I had a problem when I looked at hentai that really conflicted with my real life attitude and feelings.

I think there is a male gay gaffer that admitted to watching lesbian porn last year. I'm not sure if he had become desensitized to the porn that would match his real life sexual orientation though.

 

[Dice]

90 days would make me a ferocious sexual animal. That will be too much for my female friends/colleagues.

It's unnatural and very akin to the people who advocate extreme diets to "reset" their metabolism. Not to mention it's basically saying "Stop being a porn-motivated maniac.... for 90s days, and then become a sex-motivated maniac!" The stuff about "breaking the craving>gratification processes" is absolute rubbish. That's like saying you're going to "break the hunger>eating processes" for a diet. The addiction may take the nature to extremes, but it is still the nature of humanity to crave and fulfill.

The 90 day abstinence concept teaches nothing about true understanding of oneself, the realities and virtues of moderation, the intentional direction of sexuality as a self-moderating activity, the role of sexuality in relationship to others, etc. All it does is subject a person to a needlessly harsh refrain to more dramatically show a person that their addiction was unhealthy when it could have been done more moderately over a greater amount of time and result in far more self-awareness, command of sexuality at will, and truly understanding human nature in the connections of sex, sensuality, emotions, and relationship.

Really, the correlations to diet quackery are pretty extensive.

But seriously, read the thread and the websites. Stop being naysayers without the research or experience.

Did I not say already that I had done it before? I was very religious most of my life, I have plenty of stints with abstinence and self-analysis behind me. This one-step miracle fix stuff is all a load of shit. People only notice a "big change" without having a proper understanding of anything. You should read stuff on sexuality other than this to realize how small a scope it is actually looking through.

 

[cutmeamango]

Why must porn be so accessible and my hand so soft, why?

 

[Devolution]

So, since she's female, I'm pretty sure nothing you've said applies...

In regards to your other post... I go for porn like, once a week or less. Why do I care about the flaccid state?

I don't know about "nothing" necessarily.

 

[Vermillion]

I don't know about "nothing" necessarily.

Not that there are no negative effects, it's just that most (or hell, all) of these articles usually have to do with men.

IDK, maybe it'd be harder to get wet or something when it comes to generic sexual practices?

 

[Suairyu]

Suairyu, how efficient were you in getting rid of the mental fantasies? I just can't do it captain.

Oh shit it's hard. Like, lying in bed trying to go to sleep? BAM. In my head, I'm sexing up my best friend. Which, during the 90 day process, is an instant boner, right?

You just have to try and think of other things until you fall asleep. Don't dwell on those thoughts. Don't engage with the fantasy.

There is not one single element about this process more difficult. But you've been doing great by the seems of things to last so long so keep at it! The fantasies eventually stopped happening so much for me as I approached the 90 day mark.

 

[CornBurrito]

Oh shit it's hard. Like, lying in bed trying to go to sleep? BAM. In my head, I'm sexing up my best friend. Which, during the 90 day process, is an instant boner, right?

You just have to try and think of other things until you fall asleep. Don't dwell on those thoughts. Don't engage with the fantasy.

There is not one single element about this process more difficult. But you've been doing great by the seems of things to last so long so keep at it! The fantasies eventually stopped happening so much for me as I approached the 90 day mark.

I can't watch the video right now, but does the video itself mention the 90 day "detox" thing?

 

[Boozeroony]

GAF will make my celibacy much harder. One look in the Christina Aguilera thread will test my determination to the max.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

It's unnatural and very akin to the people who advocate extreme diets to "reset" their metabolism. Not to mention it's basically saying "Stop being a porn-motivated maniac.... for 90s days, and then become a sex-motivated maniac!" The stuff about "breaking the craving>gratification processes" is absolute rubbish. That's like saying you're going to "break the hunger>eating processes" for a diet. The addiction may take the nature to extremes, but it is still the nature of humanity to crave and fulfill.

The 90 day abstinence concept teaches nothing about true understanding of oneself, the realities and virtues of moderation, the intentional direction of sexuality as a self-moderating activity, the role of sexuality in relationship to others, etc. All it does is subject a person to a needlessly harsh refrain to more dramatically show a person that their addiction was unhealthy when it could have been done more moderately over a greater amount of time and result in far more self-awareness, command of sexuality at will, and truly understanding human nature in the connections of sex, sensuality, emotions, and relationship.

Really, the correlations to diet quackery are pretty extensive.

Did I not say already that I had done it before? I was very religious most of my life, I have plenty of stints with abstinence and self-analysis behind me. This one-step miracle fix stuff is all a load of shit. People only notice a "big change" without having a proper understanding of anything. You should read stuff on sexuality other than this to realize how small a scope it is actually looking through.

I like this post.

Not that there are no negative effects, it's just that most (or hell, all) of these articles usually have to do with men.

IDK, maybe it'd be harder to get wet or something when it comes to generic sexual practices?

I haven't experienced that, and I like my hardcore porn. I do find softcore porn a bit boring most of the time...

 

[abusori]

I think I'm fine. When I have any time I go for manga or still images of real people. Videos are for when I just need to rub one out quick-like, since they don't leave anything to imagination and most of them suck imo. I like story or at least context, even if it's simple; my penis isn't as good at finding plot-holes as my brain is.

I'm weird though, I think.

Spoiler

Confession: I'm still afraid to name drop porn sites on gaf

 

[Vermillion]

Oh shit it's hard. Like, lying in bed trying to go to sleep? BAM. In my head, I'm sexing up my best friend. Which, during the 90 day process, is an instant boner, right?

You just have to try and think of other things until you fall asleep. Don't dwell on those thoughts. Don't engage with the fantasy.

There is not one single element about this process more difficult. But you've been doing great by the seems of things to last so long so keep at it! The fantasies eventually stopped happening so much for me as I approached the 90 day mark.

Getting rid of fantasies too? How will you try new things? Sounds boring.

 

[Barbacoatl]

The fact you're using a reddit group as a control pretty much ends it right there.

nofap is a friendly place, if you are serious about this the support and info you can get there is very valuable.

 

[Devolution]

Not that there are no negative effects, it's just that most (or hell, all) of these articles usually have to do with men.

IDK, maybe it'd be harder to get wet or something when it comes to generic sexual practices?

Yeah most of them have to do with men but generally holding out on masturbation and letting the tension rise up means I will get a better orgasm when I do release. Can't speak for other women though. It's never hard to get wet though.

 

[Vermillion]

I haven't experienced that, and I like my hardcore porn. I do find softcore porn a bit boring most of the time...

Softcore porn hardly qualifies as porn, really.

EDIT: Well, TBH, some of it is really good, but comparison...

 

[MNC]

wait, so if i watch porn too much I'll lose my sensitivity to actual sex?

Basically. Cutting back on porn helps alot.

 

[Barbacoatl]

Softcore porn hardly qualifies as porn, really.

Porn desensitization much? What's the entry level? Snot gaggers?

 

[Suairyu]

Getting rid of fantasies too? How will you try new things? Sounds boring.

Why would you want to "try new things" during a period of 90 days where you're not allowed to try new (or old) things?

Softcore porn hardly qualifies as porn, really.

EDIT: Well, TBH, some of it is really good, but comparison...

But there's the problem - it should qualify as porn and still arouse you all the same. The idea and imagery of sex should be what gets you hard, not EXTREME CLOSEUP ON THAT VAGINA OH GOD SHE CAN FIT AN ENTIRE FIST IN THERE AND STILL HAVE ROOM FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

 

[Vermillion]

Porn desensitization much? What's the entry level? Snot gaggers?

There's an edit there.

 

[Equus Bellator Apex]

 

[Vermillion]

Why would you want to "try new things" during a period of 90 days where you're not allowed to try new (or old) things?

So you're giving up sex for 90 days as well. Right...

Anyways, I presume it makes things more interesting.

Besides that, I have no problems with my dick functioning as it should, so I'm not worried.

 

[Buzzati]

It's unnatural and very akin to the people who advocate extreme diets to "reset" their metabolism. Not to mention it's basically saying "Stop being a porn-motivated maniac.... for 90s days, and then become a sex-motivated maniac!" The stuff about "breaking the craving>gratification processes" is absolute rubbish. That's like saying you're going to "break the hunger>eating processes" for a diet. The addiction may take the nature to extremes, but it is still the nature of humanity to crave and fulfill.

The purpose is to "repair" that hunger/eating process. A general practitioner friend of mine shares an office space with another doctor that specializes in sexual dysfunction. He told me that the vast majority of people under 40's are not having success with Cialis or Viagra because their ED is induced by a desensitization of sexual stimulus via readily accessible Internet porn. I didn't think it was possible, either. So, in your example, it's like having all your food injected with SMG and high-fructose corn syrup for years on end, and then wondering why you can't enjoy simple fruits and vegetables.


I remember Psychology Today did a story on this.


EDIT: Found it: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...induced-sexual-dysfunction-is-growing-problem

....When interviewed about the survey, urologist Carlo Foresta (head of the Italian Society of Andrology and Sexual Medicine and professor at the University of Padua) mentioned that 70 percent of the young men his clinic treated for sexual performance problems had been using Internet pornography heavily.............

Gradually, morning erections return, followed by libido and, perhaps, occasional spontaneous erections. Finally, there is complete recovery of erectile health, sexual desire for real partners, sex becomes extremely pleasurable, and condom use is no longer problematic.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Yeah most of them have to do with men but generally holding out on masturbation and letting the tension rise up means I will get a better orgasm when I do release. Can't speak for other women though. It's never hard to get wet though.

Pretty much this.

I like to masturbate but if I can't do it one day, or two, I don't really mind, all that will go to the next time.

Softcore porn hardly qualifies as porn, really.

EDIT: Well, TBH, some of it is really good, but comparison...

I generally like the real thing to be, I dunno, rougher. I don't like porn when it's painfully slow.

 

[Vermillion]

You like what you like irl. That's fine.

 

[MNC]

again - www.yourbrainonporn.com

go get lost in information. read the articles, watch the videos, and read the real user 90 day logs.

also - www.reddit.com/r/nofap

go there and sort by top of all-time.

this shit is real and if you think you have a problem, you probably do.

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/s4kok/finally_want_to_delete_bookmarks_i_saved_to_many/

Whaaaaaaaat the fuuuuuuck.

 

[CornBurrito]

Why would you want to "try new things" during a period of 90 days where you're not allowed to try new (or old) things?

Did you miss my previous question, or is it just not going to be answered?

Can anyone else answer it? Does the video itself mention the 90 day detox stuff?

I can't watch the video currently.

 

[GatorBait]

If you can't masturbate to imagination, using a soft grip and finish in under 10 minutes you probably have a problem.

...wut?

 

[TheYanger]

I think it's time to go cold turkey. This is a scary thought, but I definitely feel like my performance has waned over the years due to the internet and porn. I can obviously still use my imagination, but it's way more work than it was as a wee lad.

Wish me luck! D: Not sure I have it in me.

 

[FallingEdge]

Doesn't your testosterone increase if you sustain from nutting?

If so, I know what I must do to get stronger.

 

[Dice]

The purpose is to "repair" that hunger/eating process. A general practitioner friend of mine shares an office space with another doctor that specializes in sexual dysfunction. He told me that the vast majority of people under 40's are not having success with Cialis or Viagra because their ED is induced by a desensitization of sexual stimulus via readily accessible Internet porn. I didn't think it was possible, either. So, in your example, it's like having all your food injected with SMG and high-fructose corn syrup for years on end, and then wondering why you can't enjoy simple fruits and vegetables.

I understand the concepts behind it, but it still teaches nothing. To refer back to my religious background, religion has been on this shit for centuries. People will go on and on about their life transformation (which is the result of practicing self control for the first time in their whole damn life) but they're still ignorant as fuck and have many problems because of that. I know this extensively from 15 years of practicing ministry.

I'm not saying these "rehab" methods do nothing, I'm saying they are inferior in many ways and are in no way a proper solution for all the related problems to porn addiction like they claim. There are many, many things that the reboot concept is missing, both in problems to be fixed and development to be gained. People in favor are always all "hop aboard!" and "ignore the nay-sayers!" when in reality the nay-saying is merely an advocate for deeper understanding.

It doesn't have to be so harsh (any claims that it does are completely unfounded theories), and it can go to much better places and result in many more benefits and prevent many more problems.

 

[Boozeroony]

I think it's time to go cold turkey. This is a scary thought, but I definitely feel like my performance has waned over the years due to the internet and porn. I can obviously still use my imagination, but it's way more work than it was as a wee lad.

Wish me luck! D: Not sure I have it in me.

The main reason why I want to cut back on porn is basically the occasional inability to ejaculate when having sex. It is awesome to have sexy-time for an hour doing amazing positions, but if the pussy gets bruised without my cum dripping out... it is an anticlimax.

Girls get insecure, I get frustrated. I wanna see how this works out without porn and masturbation.

 

[Des0lar]

Yep. That, I couldn't do.



Uh... why?

Why what?

 

[Bay Maximus]

The main reason why I want to cut back on porn is basically the occasional inability to ejaculate when having sex. It is awesome to have sexy-time for an hour doing amazing positions, but if the pussy gets bruised without my cum dripping out... it is an anticlimax.

Girls get insecure, I get frustrated. I wanna see how this works out without porn and masturbation.

That's a big one. Exactly what I said man. You should definitively try it out. It might be difficult at first but you will definitely see positive results. (Well, unless there is a physical issue but I doubt that if you can come to porn )

 

[Buzzati]

I understand the concepts behind it, but it still teaches nothing. To refer back to my religious background, religion has been on this shit for centuries. People will go on and on about their life transformation (which is the result of practicing self control for the first time in their whole damn life) but they're still ignorant as fuck and have many problems because of that. I know this extensively from 15 years of practicing ministry.

I'm not saying these "rehab" methods do nothing, I'm saying they are inferior in many ways and are in no way a proper solution for all the related problems to porn addiction like they claim. There are many, many things that the reboot concept is missing, both in problems to be fixed and development to be gained. People in favor are always all "hop aboard!" and "ignore the nay-sayers!" when in reality the nay-saying is merely an advocate for deeper understanding.

It doesn't have to be so harsh (any claims that it does are completely unfounded theories), and it can go to much better places and result in many more benefits and prevent many more problems.

I wholly agree that sexual dysfunction is a complex issue. I'm just acknowledging (and it seems you are as well), that excessive amounts of pornography can desensitize the reward mechanism to the point of affecting quality of life in *some* capacity. That's just one piece of the puzzle.

The '90 day detox' is what I'm assuming you mean by harsh. I'd agree that it could be considered an extreme for most people. However, it's biologically safe and very efficient at what it claims to do (reclaim "normal" dopergenic states of arousal). It's not for everyone.

 

[Buckethead]

I think it was in the porn addiction thread but I read an article awhile back that said 1 week was the "sweet spot" for this guy without masturbation/sexual release.

Anyone have that link?

I'd like to re-read.

 

[TheYanger]

The main reason why I want to cut back on porn is basically the occasional inability to ejaculate when having sex. It is awesome to have sexy-time for an hour doing amazing positions, but if the pussy gets bruised without my cum dripping out... it is an anticlimax.

Girls get insecure, I get frustrated. I wanna see how this works out without porn and masturbation.

Do we have like an official gaf support group for this? There was one on FoH when they did it but I declined it at the time. Now reading posts like this sound extremely similar to things I've gone through, and convinces me it's definitely time. I expect this to be hard though :/

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

The main reason why I want to cut back on porn is basically the occasional inability to ejaculate when having sex. It is awesome to have sexy-time for an hour doing amazing positions, but if the pussy gets bruised without my cum dripping out... it is an anticlimax.

Girls get insecure, I get frustrated. I wanna see how this works out without porn and masturbation.

... What.

Are you sure that's a result of porn?

Why what?

Why would that be better.

 

[lopaz]

So true. Who can be assed to take a girl on dates (wasting your time and money) when you can jerk off to hotter girls than you would ever feasibly meet in real life? Not only that, but if you get bored of the girl you can switch to one of your seventeen other tabs in firefox

 

[cdyhybrid]

I'm doing it, GAF. I'm going cold turkey starting today. Maybe I'll get bored enough to force myself to actually get a real woman.

 

[Boozeroony]

... What.

Are you sure that's a result of porn?



Why would that be better.

Not sure. Could be medication side-effects (taking anti-depression for 8 years now). My doc decided to subscribe me these after some harsh events. Never got rid of em :/

Truth be told, if I cum, I cum fabulously. This experiment should shed some light on the matter.

 

[Des0lar]

... What.

Are you sure that's a result of porn?



Why would that be better.

I'm lost. Better than what?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Not sure. Could be medication side-effects (taking anti-depression for 8 years now). My doc decided to subscribe me these after some harsh events. Never got rid of em :/

Truth be told, if I cum, I cum fabulously. This experiment should shed some light on the matter.

Be sure to keep us on check. On the other hand, I'll just go to a streaming site...

I'm lost. Better than what?

You said you had done better ever since you started to use pics rather than videos, and I'm just asking how you know that's a general thing.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I think there is a male gay gaffer that admitted to watching lesbian porn last year. I'm not sure if he had become desensitized to the porn that would match his real life sexual orientation though.

I'm straight, but am not anti-gay. Why would lesbian porn conflict with me?