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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes

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HylianTom

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TunaLover said:
I think Nintendo should money hat some key third party titles and forget about massive 3rd party support, and start working on more second party titles to fill the voids. In other words:
-Make more Xenoblades
-Publishing more Fatal Frames
-Fund more Last Stories
-Buy out more Monoliths
-Work more closely with near third parties like Level 5, Marvelous.
-Create some new IPs (Retro).

If 3rd parties don´t want to create content on Wii U Nintendo should make those via funding, co-developments, in exchange of total exclusivity.
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This is something I'd love. Nintendo could create their own ecosystem and survive independantly of third parties. That would be such incredible sweetness.

StevieP said:
BP may get in trouble for an accusatory tone toward the mods, though:
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ViewtifulJC

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BY2K said:
The Crysis 3 thread...

http://i.minus.com/ibbFdcPHDPmbk5.gif[IMG]

Always the same goddamn story, the same thing always happen.

Why do we keep making these thread?[/QUOTE]

Now you know how we feel in the Black Culture thread. Somebody finds some depressing shit about black people, we SMH'd and hope nobody makes a topic. Then, like clockwork, somebody makes a topic and you get whole bunch of stupid ass replies like "If black people didn't DRESS like dangerous people, maybe they'd get treated better", and you want to say something, but it's no good and arrrrrrrgh
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MrBelmontvedere

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AceBandage said:
Ok, I'll try and explain this as best as I can, since I'm not 100% well versed on this all.

Theoretically, they can go past 2GB.
However, and this is the important part, not without a fairly large increase in price and heat.
Consoles work completely differently from PCs. You have to hardwire the memory onto the board, and, right now, there is no easy way to get enough connections for more than 2GB of memory on a circuit board.
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this is wrong. first of all, the number of connections on the board is the same whether you're soldering memory on or you're going through a DIMM slot. in fact, that the memory is soldered directly onto the board greatly decreases the complexity of the design vs. having to design a package that will accept memory added in later.

basically:
PCs go from the CPU->the DIMM slots->the memory
consoles go from the CPU->the memory (the exclusion of the DIMM slots alone means at least a few hundred fewer electrical contacts on the board)

there is no reason why it would be more expensive than a PC to implement >2GB memory. in fact, it would be cheaper.

heat is another matter; with the size of a Wii U you couldn't use very fast timings without eventually melting the plastic case. but I'm betting Nintendo isn't looking to use some uber fast expensive memory (just a hunch)
 
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guek

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ViewtifulJC said:
Now you know how we feel in the Black Culture thread. Somebody finds some depressing shit about black people, we SMH'd and hope nobody makes a topic. Then, like clockwork, somebody makes a topic and you get whole bunch of stupid ass replies like "If black people didn't DRESS like dangerous people, maybe they'd get treated better", and you want to say something, but it's no good and arrrrrrrgh
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Are you kidding? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.
 
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Yagharek

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I'm going Wii U only next gen. Reasons being, for the main part I don't trust Microsoft hardware or Sony networking. At all. And mainly, Mario and Zelda were the 4 best games this gen for me.
Third part support would be nice. Games like GTA, portal etc. But I can deal without them if needs be.

I don't think I've bought a 3rd party ps360 game in six months.
 
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StevieP

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MrBelmontvedere said:
this is wrong. first of all, the number of connections on the board is the same whether you're soldering memory on or you're going through a DIMM slot. in fact, that the memory is soldered directly onto the board greatly decreases the complexity of the design vs. having to design a package that will accept memory added in later.

basically:
PCs go from the CPU->the DIMM slots->the memory
consoles go from the CPU->the memory (the exclusion of the DIMM slots alone means at least a few hundred fewer electrical contacts on the board)

there is no reason why it would be more expensive than a PC to implement >2GB memory. in fact, it would be cheaper.

heat is another matter; with the size of a Wii U you couldn't use very fast timings without eventually melting the plastic case. but I'm betting Nintendo isn't looking to use some uber fast expensive memory (just a hunch)
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GDDR5 densities would make it much more expensive, currently, to go over 2GB with a unified pool of GDDR5. You need 8 chips (and the associated connections to CPU/GPU/etc) to do 2GB currently. By increasing the amount of chips, you need to increase the amount of traces on the board, larger bus, the whole deal.

The more complex the motherboard, the more difficult it is to reduce the costs as well down the line (which is just as important as initial specs to the hardware manufacturers).

RandomVince said:
I'm going Wii U only next gen. Reasons being, for the main part I don't trust Microsoft hardware or Sony networking. At all. And mainly, Mario and Zelda were the 4 best games this gen for me.
Third part support would be nice. Games like GTA, portal etc. But I can deal without them if needs be.

I don't think I've bought a 3rd party ps360 game in six months.
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Pull an EatChildren and I and build yourself a beefy gaming PC rig. Most of the good third party titles will go there, and you won't need to play FPS/TPS games with crappy dual-analog pads either, like you more than likely will with the 3 consoles and their default control schemes.
 
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Redford

aka Cabbie
HylianTom said:
The next six weeks are going to be nasty, aren't they?
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Well the next two will be spent discussing the awesome news from this coming friday. So really only 4 weeks. And the two weeks before E3 there's usually a leak, so really, only two weeks.

It'll go by like that.
 
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BD1

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I'm not saying this is what happened here with Crysis, but sometimes I wonder if some of these guys don't say things about Wii U (or other platforms, I guess) b/c they know it'll send GAF into a meltdown.
 
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gashikunFLCL

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bgassassin said:
I just made a post elsewhere saying this should be the most likely concern to have with Wii U's power. Signs seem to point towards Wii U have two stages of power. If games don't push towards the second stage, how likely will they even push the first stage? While PS3's difficulties kept most from pushing the hardware, will Wii U's easy portability (for most) make some to most devs content with just getting the game to run on Wii U and nothing more?


Some of you should do what I do. If I click on that type of thread (I don't half the time), I only skim maybe the first page as I already know how it will turn out.
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I do this, or just lurk for the laughs.
 
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BY2K

Membero Americo
Cabbie said:
Well the next two will be spent discussing the awesome news from this coming friday. So really only 4 weeks. And the two weeks before E3 there's usually a leak, so really, only two weeks.

It'll go by like that.
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You mean tomorrow?

For us, the investor meeting is tomorrow, right?
 
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GameplayWhore

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comedy bomb said:
lol there aren't 200 games that sold a million copies on wii
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I would like to know where he got the number.

It is within possibility, but the only numbers Nintendo has really given is the list of games that have sold 1 million copies in the US only as of the third calendar quarter of 2011. This quantity is forty-two.

Given that it is now over half a year later and that this million seller number is from one country only, it is certainly possible. We'd need to see, for example, a list of "half-million sellers" in the US, which would probably be a lot closer to that 200 mark.

I can say this: Jokeropia did not get his number from that site. The numbers they have aren't even close to what he's providing.

edit: I should note that the overall software sales in the US of the Wii is in the same ballpark as the Xbox 360's and is likely decently higher worldwide overall. We did some calculation on this earlier during a slow night, and I'll try to find it.
 
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Kamek

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HylianTom said:
This is something I'd love. Nintendo could create their own ecosystem and survive independantly of third parties. That would be such incredible sweetness.
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That would be the dream, really. I honestly feel like Xenoblade was my favorite game of the generation, and if Nintendo gobbled up some more Monoliths/Retros they'd be in pretty good shape and hopefully there won't be those dry spells of content that Ninty is so notorious for.
 
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Instro

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RedSwirl said:
You guys still expecting GTAV to happen? I guess nobody wants to develop AAA games across four platforms.
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Yes, assuming they care about 3rd party games even a little bit. Nintendo will be after key 3rd party stuff, something like Crysis 3 is completely meaningless to them in the face of something like securing a GTAV port or getting UE4 support.

If Nintendo can't convince third parties themselves, then it will come down to the success of 3rd party titles at/around launch.
 
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HylianTom

Banned
Cabbie said:
Well the next two will be spent discussing the awesome news from this coming friday. So really only 4 weeks. And the two weeks before E3 there's usually a leak, so really, only two weeks.

It'll go by like that.
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I hope you're right.

The temptation to jump in and just be honest is sooo, soooo strong. Must. Resist.
 
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ViewtifulJC

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guek said:
Are you kidding? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.
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No, I am not, and that's really just the...tip of the ignorant iceberg. The Zimmerman thread and the one thread that had this White Oppression Defense Force were my recent favorites.

Off-topic now, but just know, Wii-UGAF...BlackGAF understands
 
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Yagharek

Member
StevieP said:
Pull an EatChildren and I and build yourself a beefy gaming PC rig. Most of the good third party titles will go there, and you won't need to play FPS/TPS games with crappy dual-analog pads either, like you more than likely will with the 3 consoles and their default control schemes.
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I respect ECs rationale, but I personally have no interest in pcs at all. Too many hair pulling moments in the past, I'm afraid.
One system is enough for me time wise.
 
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HylianTom

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ViewtifulJC said:
No, I am not, and that's really just the...tip of the ignorant iceberg. The Zimmerman thread and the one thread that had this White Oppression Defense Force were my recent favorites.

Off-topic now, but just know, Wii-UGAF...BlackGAF understands
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I can understand the comparison. That whole, "god.. let's not draw attention.. please don't..awww DAMN" thought pattern.
 
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guek

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ViewtifulJC said:
No, I am not, and that's really just the...tip of the ignorant iceberg. The Zimmerman thread and the one thread that had this White Oppression Defense Force were my recent favorites.

Off-topic now, but just know, Wii-UGAF...BlackGAF understands
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GameplayWhore

Member
AzaK said:
The trolls need something to boost their egos. After all, they'll be shattered once they see the Wii U blows their little 360 and PS3 out of the water.
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You are aware, of course, that even the more optimistic leakers are not using terms like "blows… out of the water", yes?

(urgh, I'm a page behind but catching up!)
 
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TunaLover

Member
HylianTom said:
This is something I'd love. Nintendo could create their own ecosystem and survive independantly of third parties. That would be such incredible sweetness.


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I´ve been saying for years, it´s a great time to invest in other guys that make the job, add to this Nintendo supervision and you have quality software.

Someday Nintendo will able to purchase companies for cheap, and start its own second/first party army of unstopable awesomeness.
 
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Redford

aka Cabbie
Honestly about 90% of that thread is just people piping in to talk about how stupid everyone in the thread is being. I've seen barely anything else that could be considered a flame-war.
 
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MadOdorMachine

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ScreenSplitter said:
Is it just me who thinks it'll be like back when nobody wanted to do PS3 ports because it was difficult, being more advanced architecture? Then Bioshock and such came out anyway.
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The difference here is that PS3 and Xbox 360 are pretty close in power and the PS3 was pretty early in it's life cycle. If Wii U is marginally more powerful than PS3/360, there might not be a return on investment in porting games to Wii U since so many people have one of the HD twins.

Cabbie said:
This endeavour to court third-parties is turning out to be just as sickening as I expected. I hope there's some kind of threshold to cross when every dev won't have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the platform. Don't see it happening though.

It just kind of ruins the excitement for what is going to be a great system for Nintendo fans. :(
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One thing I'm optimistic about is that Wii U might be more powerful than what I'm expecting. If it is more powerful than PS3/360, we might see third parties bring games to Wii U as a base line for development with Durango and Orbius being the superior version.

There have been some positive things said about the Wii U by third parties, but this is almost an exact repeat of what happened with the GameCube. It's stunning how similar the vibe is around it. Some might look at this as a bad thing, but GameCube turned out to be one of my favorite Nintendo systems. There were a lot of hardcore games on it and the difference now is that Nintendo is listening. They put out Sin and Punishment 2, Metroid Other M and even brought Kid Icarus and Excite Truck back. The Mario games have never been better and they are looking to target both hardcore and casual gamers. At the very least think Wii U will have a few third party gems but it will be a great system for Nintendo games.
 
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SquiddyCracker

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Okay, the way you guys are reacting to some seriously bad news for the Wii U suggest some serious delusion.
It's not just "lol at the dooooomsayers" when a major developer goes out and says that a major game isn't coming out for the Wii U - it's something worth discussing.
 
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AzaK

Member
GameplayWhore said:
You are aware, of course, that even the more optimistic leakers are not using terms like "blows… out of the water", yes?

(urgh, I'm a page behind but catching up!)
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Yeah I realise that; it's not going to be like a 360 to high end PC. However, remember SA's post a while back in the other thread?

ShockingAlberto said:
But games that do take advantage of the Wii U's hardware are going to blow this current gen out of the water. I am not sure we'll see that at E3 (seriously, think back to nearly every console's launch, most of those titles don't stand up today), but I'm sure we'll see it eventually.
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BurntPork

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StevieP said:
BP may get in trouble for an accusatory tone toward the mods, though:
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If the mods are going to put themselves above everyone but then act no different than everyone else, they should be prepared for criticism. I've been a mod on a fairly large forum myself, and I got far worse insult flung at me. You know what? I didn't ban them for it just because I was a mod.

But I'll change the wording.
 
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Redford

aka Cabbie
BurntPork said:
If the mods are going to put themselves above everyone but then act no different than everyone else, they should be prepared for criticism. I've been a mod on a fairly large forum myself, and I got far worse insult flung at me. You know what? I didn't ban them for it just because I was a mod.
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He is proud. (not Game-Biz)
 
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ViewtifulJC

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I'm gonna make a request for Wave Race Wii-U. I thought Blue Storm was a great launch title for the GC, not just because it was a pretty decent game, but it really showed off the water physics and weather effects the system could do. It's one of those games that sell because there's literally nothing else on the console, but goddamnit, I liked it.
 
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BY2K

Membero Americo
BurntPork said:
If the mods are going to put themselves above everyone but then act no different than everyone else, they should be prepared for criticism. I've been a mod on a fairly large forum myself, and I got far worse insult flung at me. You know what? I didn't ban them for it just because I was a mod.

But I'll change the wording.
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Not gonna help since some people quoted the original.
 
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Kacho

Member
ViewtifulJC said:
I'm gonna make a request for Wave Race Wii-U. I thought Blue Storm was a great launch title for the GC, not just because it was a pretty decent game, but it really showed off the water physics and weather effects the system could do. It's one of those games that sell because there's literally nothing else on the console, but goddamnit, I liked it.
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One of Nintendo's most underrated IPs. I'm hoping we get a new one similar to Wave Race 64 at launch, as that's when they tend to release those games.
 
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CoffeeJanitor

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Man I just read the last few pages of this thread. Most of you guys are making it out like that thread is misinformation or something. Come on guys...You can't just call misinformation/it's not what it looks like on every story.
 
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GameplayWhore

Member
GameplayWhore said:
I would like to know where he got the number.

It is within possibility, but the only numbers Nintendo has really given is the list of games that have sold 1 million copies in the US only as of the third calendar quarter of 2011. This quantity is forty-two.

Given that it is now over half a year later and that this million seller number is from one country only, it is certainly possible. We'd need to see, for example, a list of "half-million sellers" in the US, which would probably be a lot closer to that 200 mark.

I can say this: Jokeropia did not get his number from that site. The numbers they have aren't even close to what he's providing.

edit: I should note that the overall software sales in the US of the Wii is in the same ballpark as the Xbox 360's and is likely decently higher worldwide overall. We did some calculation on this earlier during a slow night, and I'll try to find it.
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Aha,
December 2011 US Tie Ratios
November 2011 US Hardware Totals

Result was:
Software: Wii = 289.7m ; Xbox 360 = 297.0m ; PlayStation 3 = 165.8m
Which (if my numbers were done right -- I remember at one point I accidentally used one of the NDS totals and screwed everything up!) puts the Wii in the same playing field as the Xbox 360 in terms of overall software sales in the US and (WAG ALERT) in approximately the same playing field as the Playstation 3 in terms of third party software sales in the US. This is in the context of almost all third party games being utter shit from launch on and -- of course, Nintendo seemingly giving up on their own support something like four years in, so there was certainly a hardy market for Wii software in the US this gen.

Worldwide? It's hard to say. Wii annihilated* the Xbox 360 in Japan in terms of overall software sales (and third party software sales, for that matter), and the 360 probably has a healthy lead in PAL territories.

Hey, any chance anybody has at least some worldwide software data? I certainly don't want to apply US tie ratios to total hardware shipments, as tie ratios differ from region to region.

Anyway, the conclusion is that this is totally useless in finding out how many million sellers the Wii had. But it's interesting. :)


* biased wording, but I the difference is so large that I couldn't think of a neutral term that would accurately describe its magnitude.
 
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