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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes

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Mihael Mello Keehl

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SquiddyBiscuit said:
Okay, the way you guys are reacting to some seriously bad news for the Wii U suggest some serious delusion.
It's not just "lol at the dooooomsayers" when a major developer goes out and says that a major game isn't coming out for the Wii U - it's something worth discussing.
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Its not seriously bad news though. Its not bad news really rather than subjective.

DrWong said:
Last 3 pages were fucked with people turning the thing about how the pad sucks cauze triggers or no Crysis 3 means Wii U weaker (or just on par) than current HD. So yes, you'll find some defensive people.
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Dude that does not means its weaker how did you get to a conclusion like that is beyond me.
 
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bgassassin

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MrBelmontvedere said:
this is wrong. first of all, the number of connections on the board is the same whether you're soldering memory on or you're going through a DIMM slot. in fact, that the memory is soldered directly onto the board greatly decreases the complexity of the design vs. having to design a package that will accept memory added in later.

basically:
PCs go from the CPU->the DIMM slots->the memory
consoles go from the CPU->the memory (the exclusion of the DIMM slots alone means at least a few hundred fewer electrical contacts on the board)
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This confuses me. You are going to have a bus even with them being soldered and at the same time you have make sure the board can accommodate whatever the amount of chips you are going to utilize. Plus you're focusing strictly on DDRx memory.
 
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BurntPork

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StevieP said:
I edited my quoting of your post
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Someone else got it. Plus, don't the mods have a way of seeing past edits?

ElTopo said:
Obviously the one that's not banned, hence Drinkycow. Heard it's just a short ban though.

Edit:
What if it's opposite day ? Wario gets banned, BurntPork becomes a mod ?
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Don't even joke like that! Being a mod is one of the most horrible things ever, especially on a forum that takes itself seriously. :p

Okay, last post on this.
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

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SquiddyBiscuit said:
Okay, the way you guys are reacting to some seriously bad news for the Wii U suggest some serious delusion.
It's not just "lol at the dooooomsayers" when a major developer goes out and says that a major game isn't coming out for the Wii U - it's something worth discussing.
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Crysis 3 not being on Wii U means close to nothing.

GTA and Resident Evil not being on Wii U means something.
 
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ViewtifulJC

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Hey, you know what's bannable? Talking about who is and who isn't bannable, and other off-topic discussions about the moderating staff and their decisions running this website.
 
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ViewtifulJC

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Well, maybe not bannable, but I've seen many of these meta-discussions about NeoGAF slammed shut by a mod. "No further questions, take it to PM, any further posts about this will be deleted, blah blah blah"

We should probably get back to talking about...nothing in particular.
 
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frankie_baby

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GameplayWhore said:
Aha,
December 2011 US Tie Ratios
November 2011 US Hardware Totals

Result was:
Software: Wii = 289.7m ; Xbox 360 = 297.0m ; PlayStation 3 = 165.8m
Which (if my numbers were done right -- I remember at one point I accidentally used one of the NDS totals and screwed everything up!) puts the Wii in the same playing field as the Xbox 360 in terms of overall software sales in the US and (WAG ALERT) in approximately the same playing field as the Playstation 3 in terms of third party software sales in the US. This is in the context of almost all third party games being utter shit from launch on and -- of course, Nintendo seemingly giving up on their own support something like four years in, so there was certainly a hardy market for Wii software in the US this gen.

Worldwide? It's hard to say. Wii annihilated* the Xbox 360 in Japan in terms of overall software sales (and third party software sales, for that matter), and the 360 probably has a healthy lead in PAL territories.

Hey, any chance anybody has at least some worldwide software data? I certainly don't want to apply US tie ratios to total hardware shipments, as tie ratios differ from region to region.

Anyway, the conclusion is that this is totally useless in finding out how many million sellers the Wii had. But it's interesting. :)


* biased wording, but I the difference is so large that I couldn't think of a neutral term that would accurately describe its magnitude.
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I'm curious why you think the 360 would have a healthy lead in software sales in pal regions? When it comes to hardware the 360 only really sold very well in the uk (and there is still second to wii) so surely its fair to assume wii software will have handily outsold 360 in pal regions?
 
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Christberg

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Personally, Crysis 3 matters very little to me. I'm not a big fan of the series and if I was going to play it, it'd be the PC version for sure.

I do, however, care in a broad sense because the Wii U should get a port of EVERYTHING. There's no good excuse at this point. The controller has all the standard buttons, the audience isn't built yet and the hardware is powerful enough for the time being.

I'll forgive a few initial titles either not showing up or being late ports depending on budget and how far they were in development. Beyond that, no guarantees.

It's still early to be worried about this though. We won't have a good enough picture until a year after it launches probably.
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
EatChildren said:
I expect a lot of underwhelmed people once E3 hits, as the hardware appears nowhere near as powerful as they hoped/hyped. This will be due to a vast majority of third party support being composed of ports, which look near if not identical to their 360/PS3 counterparts. I also expect some of Nintendo's own work to fail to deliver on the hardware's true capabilities: I don't expect NSMB Mii to look impressive at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if Pikmin 3 looked curiously like a high resolution Wii game with polished up assets and shaders bolted on.

I predict most of the controller gimmicks will be forgettable, especially from third parties. Most games will simply use the pad for item selection, and maybe for goofy puzzle integration. Nintendo will show some cool ideas, but they wont be in launch titles. Despite backwards compatibility, almost no game will be shown using the Wii Remote + Nunchuck. This will depress me.

Online will be improved over the 3DS, quite noticeably, and I expect/hope there will be a few pleasing surprises. But it will still have plenty of dumb shit because Nintendo's track record with online is severely questionable. That and I loath the eShop.

In all I expect E3 2012 to be pretty typically Nintendo. Those who love Nintendo will have lots of cool shit to look forward to, some of it looking amazing, others not so much. Third parties will impress Nintendo only gamers with a plethora of welcome ports, but multi platform gamers won't care all that much. Those disinterested in Nintendo titles will see nothing of value with the Wii U, and will continue to ignore it, and let everybody know they're ignoring it.
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If Pikmin 3 isn't the best looking game the industry has known to date, I will be depressed.
 
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DrWong

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frankie_baby said:
I'm curious why you think the 360 would have a healthy lead in software sales in pal regions? When it comes to hardware the 360 only really sold very well in the uk (and there is still second to wii) so surely its fair to assume wii software will have handily outsold 360 in pal regions?
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Was thinking the same.
 
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GameplayWhore

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frankie_baby said:
I'm curious why you think the 360 would have a healthy lead in software sales in pal regions? When it comes to hardware the 360 only really sold very well in the uk (and there is still second to wii) so surely its fair to assume wii software will have handily outsold 360 in pal regions?
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I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt?

I don't know. I just assumed that the Wii sort of died off after the first few years and that the 360 has been gradually improving. It is true that North America is considered the 360's strongest region, and it only beats the Wii's total software sales (as of last year November) by a little bit in that region, so it is certainly possible that the Wii has higher overall software sales in Euroland (and Miscland). That is a good point.

Maybe I was just assuming subconsciously that the Wii's tie ratio is higher in the US than in other countries.

edit: AHA!

shipmentcompare.php


As you can see in this graph, the Xbox 360 and Wii in Europe were neck and neck, but the 360 pulls ahead eventually.

(I'm just playing around here, but I am thoroughly sad that there's no Xbox 360 shipment data for PAL beyond roughly the one year mark)

(edit: Just in case the above isn't clear, I was being jokey and on the side showing how you can make a totally bullshit statement which is technically word for word true. This is comparing Xbox 360 worldwide shipments with Wii Europe/Misc shipments, both hardware. I was just amused enough at how it looks that I wanted to post it for fun)
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
EatChildren said:
I'd very much like to see this. I don't just want to see launch window games. I want to see a roadmap of ideas and concepts.



Yeah it comes down to how far into development the Wii version was. All signs seem to point to the game having been built for the Wii quite specifically, to the point where it was going to be shown off at E3 2011 (I think?), but was ultimately canned in favour of the Wii U.

If it's aiming for launch, there's no way in hell Nintendo is going to rebuild an entire game with brand new assets and a powerful engine. I think it will look a lot better than it did on the Wii, but I also think it wont look as impressive as people might hope. Lots of Wii-era stuff there, rendered at a higher resolution with some extra shader grunt.
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Is anyone gong to ask Ninteno about this? Would they be receptive to the idea of delaying it an extra year of the fans hate the graphics?
 
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Azure J

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I'm beginning to notice a pattern. Any day I spend playing actual games offline, some new Wii U drama unfolds. The Crysis 3 thing is quite interesting to me though, I thought they were one of the most fond engine purveyors/developers with regards to the system. I mean, I guess all the variables aren't in the open to make a judgement on, but something like this is really weird.

Nintendo needs to bring it like Gohan vs. Cell at E3.

ViewtifulJC said:
Now you know how we feel in the Black Culture thread. Somebody finds some depressing shit about black people, we SMH'd and hope nobody makes a topic. Then, like clockwork, somebody makes a topic and you get whole bunch of stupid ass replies like "If black people didn't DRESS like dangerous people, maybe they'd get treated better", and you want to say something, but it's no good and arrrrrrrgh
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Heh, you just reminded me that I should lurk that thread less and actually post more. I just never feel like I contribute much to the discussions though.

ElTopo said:
Hey BP, if someone like Wario64 can actually get banned I'd be careful.
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Wow, so tha was a real ban ban.
 
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ozfunghi

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Thanks GameplayWhore for the recaps, you're a lifesaver. Too much random BS in this thread to keep up. Interest fading... RISING... fading... fading...
 
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frankie_baby

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GameplayWhore said:
I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt?

I don't know. I just assumed that the Wii sort of died off after the first few years and that the 360 has been gradually improving. It is true that North America is considered the 360's strongest region, and it only beats the Wii's total software sales (as of last year November) by a little bit in that region, so it is certainly possible that the Wii has higher overall software sales in Euroland (and Miscland). That is a good point.

Maybe I was just assuming subconsciously that the Wii's tie ratio is higher in the US than in other countries.
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As far as i know in most of continental europe for hardware (so i would assume software as well) wii > ps3 > 360, with the uk wii > 360 > ps3

I just cant see any chance 360 is on top software wise in pal land
 
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MrBelmontvedere

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StevieP said:
GDDR5 densities would make it much more expensive, currently, to go over 2GB with a unified pool of GDDR5. You need 8 chips (and the associated connections to CPU/GPU/etc) to do 2GB currently. By increasing the amount of chips, you need to increase the amount of traces on the board, larger bus, the whole deal.

The more complex the motherboard, the more difficult it is to reduce the costs as well down the line (which is just as important as initial specs to the hardware manufacturers).
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Southern Islands (presumably the GPU architecture for Wii U) supports GDDR2, GDDR3, and GDDR5. It would be really neat if Nintendo went with the most expensive option (GDDR5) but based on their past history I am somewhat skeptical.

Especially because there is currently no need for the excess heat and power; the Wii U is pretty small and unless they put a big loud fan in there GDDR5 is a pipe dream.
 
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GameplayWhore

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jimi_dini said:
TimeSplitters 4. The same class of game as Pikmin 3. A game that I would/will solely buy a console for.
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As I like to trot out every other week or so:
≤$250 || ( TimeSplitters 4 && ≤$300 ) || ( Electrostatic Haptics && ≤$350 )

That's my condition for buying a Wii U. I really, really wanted a pointer-based enhanced MapMaker this generation as well as a decent split-screen shooter without the "modern" fps features (like two-weapon carry limitations, turning into a regenerator whenever you hide behind a rock, limited imagination of weaponry, etc). I would still like one with a DRC based MapMaker, though pointer-based would still be preferable. As long as the content creation is pristine and easy to upload/download to/from websites and it stays old-school with health packs and armor and imagination and such, I'll be pretty happy. Oh, and it also has to support Classic Controllers for my friends, who don't like any controllers that deviate too far from sixth-gen.

In reality, what will happen is that Crytek will, at best, release TimeSplitters 4 as a 360/PS3 multiplat. It will primarily use weapons from World War II up to now, gameplay will be duck-to-heal, you'll drop weapons whenever you pick a new one up, and the multiplayer will be online-only. And I will be sad.
 
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JJConrad

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GameplayWhore said:
I would like to know where he got the number.

It is within possibility, but the only numbers Nintendo has really given is the list of games that have sold 1 million copies in the US only as of the third calendar quarter of 2011. This quantity is forty-two.

Given that it is now over half a year later and that this million seller number is from one country only, it is certainly possible. We'd need to see, for example, a list of "half-million sellers" in the US, which would probably be a lot closer to that 200 mark.

I can say this: Jokeropia did not get his number from that site. The numbers they have aren't even close to what he's providing.

edit: I should note that the overall software sales in the US of the Wii is in the same ballpark as the Xbox 360's and is likely decently higher worldwide overall. We did some calculation on this earlier during a slow night, and I'll try to find it.
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Nintendo used to release counts for the number of million sellers for each of there systems during the financial results briefings. They haven't done that list since the end of last fiscal year. At that time there were 243 worldwide million sellers for the two "Nintendo platforms this generation," 161 of those being third party titles. Given the extra year, claiming "'about' 200" titles should be close enough.
 
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VAPitts

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methodman said:
it had to be posted. it had to be. don't go in that thread trying to explain the situation because most people won't believe you, this is the position Nintendo has put themselves in by being so quiet about news for this thing, so when something comes out, be it good or bad, it's going to be newsworthy. i think Nintendo has fucked up by being this quiet for so long, especially if they fail to produce during E3. even if they do show up at e3, having this much bad press is not a good look imo
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lol what what does...what? do u know ANYTHING?
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
JoshuaJSlone said:
I think if something was to get a late conversion from Wii to U, Pikmin would have an easier transition than most games. The Pikmin themselves and many of the common enemies like bulborbs are simple curvy designs with large swaths of flat color or simple patterns. Much easier to smooth out and get looking closer to their pre-rendered counterparts than, say, if the characters of Xenoblade needed to be remade.
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Yes, but I hope they'll take the extra time to add cool details such as tiny gills inside the Blu Pikmin mouths, for example.
 
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Glass Joe

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TheAmazingXemo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iPA0iD18zrk - Anyone else see this? Nintendo U rename for Wii U. (Rumor/Fake probably) Sorry if this is a repost.
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It SHOULD be true, dammit. "Wii U" has been criticized as sounding like a revision, and rightly so IMO. The U (you) is similar enough to Wii (we) that it would retain the familiarity and momentum of the Wii brand. Calling it just Nintendo U would be perfect.

The Wii sold like crazy but "Wii" does have a stigma attached to the hardcore gamers it's trying to court (casual, died early). Plus a tablet with a touch screen and a bunch of buttons is pretty far removed from the simple Wii remote waggle concept. "Nintendo U" would be a smart name I think, but what do I know.

In fact, announcing it as Wii U to get the branding tied in and then dropping it to U could have been a strategy all along. No reason to believe any of this is true, but I like the idea.
 
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HylianTom

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udivision said:
wednesday night in the states, i think
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This pleases me to no end. I work six days this week, and Wednesday night/Thursday daytime is the only block of time where I'm not either at work or on call. It's as though Nintendo is coordinating with my boss now to write my work schedule.. :)
 
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