DXB-KNIGHT
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Such a great and beautiful game and its not in HD makes me wonder what the studio will do with the Wii U. Its a shame how some people view this gem with their Graphical Whorey Eyes.
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Game Informer: " Why Xenoblade Chronicles Makes Me Want To Punch a Kitten"
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It's just a flawed argument. The Wii is what it is.
It's like saying you really enjoyed driving a 1986 Ferrari, yet it really blows that it isn't a 2012 Ferrari. Because in 2012 they gooooo faaaaaster. So therefore the 1986 Ferrari is totally worthless (even though you had fun in it).
It's like saying you really enjoyed driving a 1986 Ferrari, yet it really blows that it isn't a 2012 Ferrari. Because in 2012 they gooooo faaaaaster. So therefore the 1986 Ferrari is totally worthless (even though you had fun in it).
This right here is my "b) Why?" question in more detail.
That too.
I don't know why there has always been the expectation that if the Wii was more powerful, or at least as powerful as the others, things would've been different.
Tons of third-party support,. a Zelda with open landscapes and lush forests...When in reality things would've been the same, or heck worse.
With a GameCube, a console on par of the others, Nintendo's idea for a "next-gen Mario" was a jetpack, a mini-city, tons of voice acting and a story. Mario Kart? Dual drivers. And so on. Heck, aside Wind Waker (which was hated by many at first); visuals on their own games were not on par with the others. They looked good, but not as good as some might've expected.
And I'm not saying the games sucked and were bad, but that even if "Nintendo" had more power this gen, we don't know if said power would've been put to use on the stuff that many like to look at or notice. Zelda could've been the same but on HD and Xenoblade facial models could've been not as detailed as (let's say) FFXIII.
.. while third-parties just had another extra console for income to port their games.
I enjoy all current Vikings. Their futility never ceases to entertain!
Except Chris Robison.
Right. That is why I did not understand what if any point the author was trying to make.
The Wii is more like Honda Civic
Good luck finding it
Haha, then the PS360 are like CR-Zs. Tomato Tomàto.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I can greatly understand the desire for games to be better than they are visually. It's why PC port delays bother me so much. It's basically just like any other delay.
But despite my copy of Assassin's Creed Whatever on 360 not being the best it could be, I don't actually think about that when playing the game. If you do, that's fine. But not everyone has that same...prioritization, I guess.
To put it another way, I really loved Kid Icarus. I was not intensely bothered that it did not have Vita graphics.
But despite my copy of Assassin's Creed Whatever on 360 not being the best it could be, I don't actually think about that when playing the game. If you do, that's fine. But not everyone has that same...prioritization, I guess.
To put it another way, I really loved Kid Icarus. I was not intensely bothered that it did not have Vita graphics.
Agree.
ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
@Venfayth - My overall point is that I love Xenoblade. I think it's an amazing game. It just hurts me to see these landscapes and ideas and KNOW that the technological capability exists to realize them even more epically. For me, Xenoblade is a 9.5 out of 10. With current gen graphics it would be an 11 out of 10.
I'm also sad at what Nintendo has turned into. I grew up with the NES and SNES, and I remember when Nintendo was a pioneer not just in gaming, but in gaming hardware. In my personal opinion, and again it's just my opinion, it seems they've sold out when it comes to pushing that hardware envelope in order to focus on a different demographic, and quite a few games have suffered as a result. Has it worked for them as a business? Undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
@Y2Kev - The marriage of a traditional JRPG along with what they managed to accomplish with the storyline and short story sequences made it (again, to me) a triumph of storytelling. This was a world that I legitimately cared about, much as I care about what happens to the people in Xenoblade. I also highly enjoyed the combat and party mechanics, again like Xenoblade.
@MYE - 42.
@Game-Biz - Because from everything I've seen, Nintendo is putting current-gen graphics capabilities in what is supposed to be a next-gen system. I don't like it, and I don't think it's going to work out for them. Sure you'll have the people that stick around for the first party titles (and I'll probably be one of them), but it's a lot harder to sell a tablet to grandma than it is a waggle-stick. If grandma wants a tablet, she can get an iPad. It may be too late in the development process to change it, and if so that's a shame, because Nintendo owns a lot of IP's that deserve better visual realizations of their universe than they're going to get.
@nucklett - You missed the point. I'm well aware of the graphics limitations of the Wii. That doesn't mean I have to like them, and I would prefer if future games were able to take advantage of technology that already exists and can make the gaming experience better. Will I play a good game despite inferior graphics? Of course. A good game is a good game. It's just frustrating to know that it could have been a *better* game; especially when it's a game with the kind of scope like Xenoblade, and I think after a long enough time, enough people will become fed up with it that Nintendo as a company will suffer as a result.
I'm also sad at what Nintendo has turned into. I grew up with the NES and SNES, and I remember when Nintendo was a pioneer not just in gaming, but in gaming hardware. In my personal opinion, and again it's just my opinion, it seems they've sold out when it comes to pushing that hardware envelope in order to focus on a different demographic, and quite a few games have suffered as a result. Has it worked for them as a business? Undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
@Y2Kev - The marriage of a traditional JRPG along with what they managed to accomplish with the storyline and short story sequences made it (again, to me) a triumph of storytelling. This was a world that I legitimately cared about, much as I care about what happens to the people in Xenoblade. I also highly enjoyed the combat and party mechanics, again like Xenoblade.
@MYE - 42.
@Game-Biz - Because from everything I've seen, Nintendo is putting current-gen graphics capabilities in what is supposed to be a next-gen system. I don't like it, and I don't think it's going to work out for them. Sure you'll have the people that stick around for the first party titles (and I'll probably be one of them), but it's a lot harder to sell a tablet to grandma than it is a waggle-stick. If grandma wants a tablet, she can get an iPad. It may be too late in the development process to change it, and if so that's a shame, because Nintendo owns a lot of IP's that deserve better visual realizations of their universe than they're going to get.
@nucklett - You missed the point. I'm well aware of the graphics limitations of the Wii. That doesn't mean I have to like them, and I would prefer if future games were able to take advantage of technology that already exists and can make the gaming experience better. Will I play a good game despite inferior graphics? Of course. A good game is a good game. It's just frustrating to know that it could have been a *better* game; especially when it's a game with the kind of scope like Xenoblade, and I think after a long enough time, enough people will become fed up with it that Nintendo as a company will suffer as a result.
Elfforkusu
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I'm 100% okay with any article that might help towards an HD re-release of Xenoblade.
A man can dream!
A man can dream!
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I love how whenever someone disagrees with an article, they always try to point out that the article is "poorly written" regardless of whether or not it actually is.
It reads more like a blog post than a news article, but I don't think it was poorly written at all.
It reads more like a blog post than a news article, but I don't think it was poorly written at all.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I can agree with this. I don't know if I'd say I'm "sad" about it, but it would be nice to see them focus on hardware a bit more than they have. The Gamecube was pretty powerful, though, so it's not like they've been putting out weak systems since the SNES.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
How are NES and SNES pioneer in hardware though?
ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
Agreed, I just used NES and SNES to establish how far back I've been playing Nintendo products
Both the N64 and Gamecube continued to try to push that envelope, but then they kind of threw in the towel.Soooo, you hate Atelier and Neptunia? two niche franchises isn't the canvas I would use to paint the entire genre...
edit// On topic: Xenoblade is an awesome game, regardless of platform.
ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
Agreed, I just used NES and SNES to establish how far back I've been playing Nintendo products
where does wii u fit in your master plan?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
This isn't necessarily directed just at you or anything, but the problem I see with the WiiU is that it's just continuing Nintendo's infatuation with under-powered hardware. Yeah, the system seems solid for right now, but there's every indication that it's still going to be well behind what Sony and Microsoft will do a year later. Doesn't that at least give some credence to the GI dude's point?
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ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
I'll probably wait for it to drop in price/see what games come out, and if it's worth it I'll pick one up. It'll also depend on what MS and Sony have to offer as well.
Edit: So let me get this straight. You're saying, a system that came out, that was stronger than the previous systems, isn't pushing the hardware envelope? Did I read that correctly? I may need to repost that meme...
Escape Goat
Member
Nintendo isn't targeting these people who expect superior graphics. Its obvious their primary target are families and younger gamers as evidenced by their use of colorful mascots and wholesome first party lines. You reach a level of diminishing returns with this core group of people because they simply aren't interested in HD gaming or rendering Crysis on full graphics. You'd be charging them a premium and excluding a bunch of customers that might adopt Nintendo's system as a result. Use less intensive hardware for cheaper and mom and dad are likely to buy the $150 system over the $400. Its a good business rule to know your audience and to produce what sells. Nintendo is doing this and theres nothing wrong with that.
Its clear Nintendo has a very distinct direction they want to head in. The sooner people accept that and either move on or go with the flow the better off they will be. A bunch of twenty somethings raging nostaglic on the internet is embarrassing to all gamers.
Its clear Nintendo has a very distinct direction they want to head in. The sooner people accept that and either move on or go with the flow the better off they will be. A bunch of twenty somethings raging nostaglic on the internet is embarrassing to all gamers.
The masses had Ataris back then, so the NES was a huge step up. Also people still had Ataris by 1986 because nobody gave a shit about home consoles. My house was all-Atari until we got the NES in 1988. Yeah, the Master System was more powerful, but lol what's a Master System.
The SNES was more powerful than Genesis, its main competitor as well as the TG-16, which, in the long run, was just another herald for the 16-bit era. The SNES also sounded way better than the Genesis, which at times sounded like a series of digitized farts. And bringing up the Neo-Geo is lulzy since that was a niche product to the extreme. Contrarian for contrarian's sake.
So I guess you must've thought the Game Boy was a piece of shit compared to the Game Gear? You're equating processing power to gaming hardware when that's short-sighted. In terms of gaming hardware that is actually RELEVANT to gameplay mechanics, Nintendo is still pioneering the industry. From back to the D-Pad, shoulder buttons, analog stick, four controller ports built into the system, rumble technology, wireless controllers, touch screen, motion controls, etc. You cite a weakness when it's their greatest strength because according to what you said, graphics are the only thing that matter.
So with your article you stated that 480p graphics on your big screen HDTV weren't good enough and now that the successor system is going to be launching this year, suddenly the current generation technology isn't going to be good enough for your eyes for the next few years? What kind of TV technology do you see coming out within the next five years that will blow away the HDTV's of today? Not to mention you only know Nintendo's gameplan for the next generation. With how much money Sony has lost on the Playstation 3 and the fact that the Vita is failing to establish itself in the market I wouldn't expect them to make any kind of leaps in terms of graphical capability for the Playstation 4. Sony cannot afford to bleed anymore money with cutting edge hardware.
Every single game could be made better for whatever reason(s), almost 6 years after the Wii launched complaining about its limitations isn't newsworthy at all. If I write an article about how Sony failed with the PSP and the UMD format and you can help me get it published for Game Informer?
Really? Then why is every report that the WiiU being less capable than PS360 savagely attacked and derided? Obviously, there is a pent up demand from their fans and customers for more powerful hardware.
"I honestly believe that Xenoblade Chronicles could have been this generations Final Fantasy VII"
O Dear God no
Christ.
Escape Goat
Member
You need to differentiate which fans. There are going to be all kinds of niche interests in any group of people. Nintendo isn't concerned with the "graphic whores". They never have been. Their target audience likely aren't even posting on gaming message boards.
I doubt Joss Wheddon was scouring internet message boards getting feedback on how to make his Avengers movie. The nerd demographic is only a small % of total sales of any franchise film.
You can totally hose the framerate in this game by using Melia and fighting gigantic groups of monsters.
cartman414
Member
Lol. Would Xenoblade be possible without breaking the bank on an HD system.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You're making the classic mistake of equating GAF with average Joe Consumer.
ThatObviousUser
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Bahahaha we got a shoutout from the man himself
Personally, I couldn't play Xenoblade. I dunno if it was just a shitty TV I was playing on or what, but some of the game was just too hard to see. I'll try playing it again on a different TV or two that I have around the house, and if all else fails, I will try and play it on Dolphin, because those Dolphin shots people put up on the first page are GORGEOUS.
We have great reading comprehension, it's just your writing sucks. Like, it's pretty bad. A couple guidelines for you if you're reading this and thinking of continuing writing articles:
1. Don't ever use all caps. Ever. No matter the case. Even for posts on an internet forum... most of the time.
2. Don't ever use things like *sigh* or <deep breath>. I think this comes down to you thinking we're more invested in you and your article than we actually are. We don't care you're taking an imaginary deep breath. Get to the point.
3. Swears and words like "poop" should be avoided, unless you're really gunning for that 11-14 year old audience.
With just these three things, the article becomes passable by video game journalism standards. That is to say not good, but at least readable and it gives your premise a lot more clout.
@WanderingWind He never tried to punt (sadly, it would've been hilarious to watch), and no. I had him pose with the cards because I thought it would be a funny juxtaposition.
@Diablos54 Critical popcorn hit! You have contracted Itchy Throat.
@Kusagari Will do so tomorrow.
@Seda After I finish with the fine folk in here
Oh good, you are here. See above.
Chuck Norris
Banned
This passes for an article? Are they hiring GameFAQs posters as writers now?
I mean it's so bad he actually uses all caps to express himself
I mean it's so bad he actually uses all caps to express himself
ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
Where, at any point, did I say graphics was the only thing that mattered? I suppose I'll have to lump you in with the rest of the people that need reading comprehension lessons. What I said, was that Xenoblade is an amazing game that is hampered by the technical limitations forced upon it by the Wii. In every aspect EXCEPT graphics Xenoblade is awesome. However, the visual vision (alliteration!) the developers tried to realize is severely restricted by what the Wii simply cannot do, and it's frustrating because the game deserves better. When I see mouths moving like fish, it pulls me out of the immersion of the game. When I see the titans fighting during the opening sequence, it fails to instill the grandeur of just how large they really are that you get later on in the game because the Wii flat out sucks at portraying it. When I see fuzzy blurry characters I feel like I need to get my eyes checked because technology has progressed to the point where I'm accustomed to a certain level of visual quality. And all current reports on the Wii U indicate that Nintendo is going to go right on doing the same thing.
As for why did I write the article? Well, it's because I'm tired of Nintendo relying on Mario and Link to sell outdated hardware, and if no one speaks up, nothing ever gets changed. You're free to disagree with me. By all means do so. But at least try to comprehend what I've written instead of jumping on the "LOL GRAFIX HORE" bandwagon.
It's not like it would be a different game.
i wasn't aware that the famicom was an underpowered console in 1983. are we comparing it to computers at the time due to the 'com' in the name?
i think it was in game over or steven kent's book that mentioned the snes was going to be an add-on upgrade to the nes at first. eventually, nintendo decided to make an all-new console, but not until the genesis was already two years old. and for about four years there was no major difference between the two until the 3d pissing match started and donkey kong country came out.
the gamecube and n64 were both released way after the generation had started (gamecube not quite as much if you start the gen with the ps2 and not the dreamcast). nintendo would have been able to sit on better technology until costs came down (i think this was specifically the case with the gamecube).
i think it was in game over or steven kent's book that mentioned the snes was going to be an add-on upgrade to the nes at first. eventually, nintendo decided to make an all-new console, but not until the genesis was already two years old. and for about four years there was no major difference between the two until the 3d pissing match started and donkey kong country came out.
the gamecube and n64 were both released way after the generation had started (gamecube not quite as much if you start the gen with the ps2 and not the dreamcast). nintendo would have been able to sit on better technology until costs came down (i think this was specifically the case with the gamecube).
ChrisWarcraft
Neo Member
ThatObviousUser
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One day I hope to be a good poster like you
Lol, I'm far from a good writer and even further from a well-written poster. But I try.
I also don't make my living from writing words.
Just code.
Gamefaqs is probably better than most game reviewers at this point.
I will say that your responses here on GAF are a lot better than what was published on GI.
aliencowz7
Member
Lol, I'm far from a good writer and even further from a well-written poster. But I try.
I also don't make my living from writing words.Just code.
As far as people have been saying he isn't even an actual writer, just a NFL player that wrote an article.