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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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Someone got upset over this post of his:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37344353&postcount=803
Already stated my age, but I've commented on this in the past.
I have stereotypes of the different console groups, but stating them openly might get me into trouble.
I was 27 when I was in the preorder camping line for the Wii - and I was of average age for the crowd there. Nintendo may have a "kiddy" rep, but I think it tends to do well among two age groups: older gamers and really young gamers. It's that in-between age demographic - the youngsters aged 12-to-20something who are desperately trying to look cool and grown-up - where Nintendo seems to have the most trouble.
(and yes.. I've always been a Nintendo+PC gamer. It works so well!)
Always-honest
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People who call nintendo games kiddy are just sad insecure individuals. Even the people themselves know that.
GameplayWhore
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I built my second PC a few months ago and it feels pretty awesome. That's kind of what inspired me to do move to a PC and Nintendo future. Self fulfillment + awesome digital sales makes me a happy dude.
GameplayWhore
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The usage of the word annoys me, since a gimmick is anything that makes people want to buy your product. That's it. That's what the word means.
Having a more powerful cpu than a prior generation console is a gimmick. So is having online play, or digital downloads, or cross-game chat. Somebody saying "No gimmicks!" would be really bored with an upcoming system or game, since it would be exactly identical to what they already have.
In this thread, I hate on the English language and my own inability to evolve with its ongoing changes
They also got axisofwevil (or however he spells it). Better go edit that shit...
Oh yeah, there was going to be trailer for that new PS3 game, goes to look at trailer... Hmm... Princess Peach has gained weght... wait a minute, this is not Super smash brothers. WOW! At first I thought I had clicked at a wrong link or something.
LOL, that is just funny. No wonder Nintendo has Ninjas and people complain Nintendo for keeping everything under wraps.
I don't think it will go anywhere, mainly because there's precedence for this.
Remember n-Space's Winter? The footage that 'leaked' onto the web innocuously used place-holder music from Lord of the Rings, of all things. I don't remember anyone kicking up a fuss about that. If it's not promotional, I don't think there's much of a case.
GameplayWhore
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Nintendo's fanbase is probably the most evenly distributed of all fanbases in terms of age and sex. The difference between it and its competitors is that the latter focuses much more on the very specific male tween to young adult market. To many in that market, giving equal consideration to those younger and older (and more female) means that the company is specifically and totally abandoning them.
I'm almost as old as davedough, which is saying enough, and I find it rather amusing when people say that the onlyvideo game company which had massive appeal for lapsed middle aged gamers and even senior citizens across all their hardware lines is only for children.
Too late, already quoted. Oh well, I'm not a real member yet anyways.
Hobbestetrician
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27, huge Nintendo fan (especially since the N64) but mostly for consoles. Enjoy handhelds but not enough to invest heavily in them. Not afraid to buy other consoles (have all 3) but Nintendo will always be my first choice.
Forsaken82
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Did you read the rest of his list?
Outside of a few questionable choices, it wasn't that bad of a list so I didn't really think anything of it
I find this rather curious as well. Since when did the term start carrying a negative connotation?
The definition implies that it is a feature, as in only one. Or at least, that's how it's interpreted.
Also "fun" is a buzzword.
/v/ circa 2005.
gashikunFLCL
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Just saw the trailer, Thanks very muchs Ubi. <3
GameplayWhore
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Here are the definitions from Merriam-Webster:
peoplewhoknowstuff said:
Everything save for 1a applies to online multiplayer and gpu features like tesselation and dynamic lighting as much as they do to touch screens and accelerometers. 1a applies to neither, but it is probably related to why the word has a bit of negativity to it.
"buzzword" is a buzzword.
Well if you want me to get all bitter about it... Whatever label Nintendo's detractors come up with is typically what the entire userbase gets painted as.
"Kiddy" was easy to apply considering Nintendo still has the gall to not "modernize" Mario, and to this day I think EAD had never made a game that got higher than a T-rating, mostly using surrogates like Retro or Rare to provide such material. It also helps that Nintendo is still popular with children, which is by no means a bad thing, but this strength can be used against them. I should point out that it doesn't matter how many M-rated games Nintendo made. IT would not shake the label off, because it has to be done in the absence of Mario, or even worse, has to be Mario doing the M-rated stuff. And Nintendo's not going to do that, and good on them, IMO.
However with the DS and Wii, the detractors were faced with a conundrum. Seniors, Young women, middle-aged people, and children enjoyed them both immensely. So "kiddy" can't realistically apply to seniors and middle aged people. Then they searched and found the new label "casual." It doesn't matter what games Nintendo makes. Wii Music and Wii Sports still exist. Things Nintendo always did were magnified in the lens of finding "casual" identifiers. Games once considered "core" like Animal Crossing and, God Help us, Super Mario, were now considered "casual." A normal humdrum executive choice like Cammie Dunaway was eviscerated in a way that, say, Perrin Kaplan was not. Nintendo making different game types than the usual genre titles was considered a "betrayal" of a curiously previously undefined group known as "hardcores."
This is all Labeling Theory and is a valid point of view when discussing Nintendo's "image problem" as there are some elements of Nintendo's perception that are well beyond their control, and will probably forever be beyond their control.
This is also why I believe going into the next generation, if Nintendo can appeal to Eastern developers who find a safe zone in the Wii U by increased the base power level of the previous generation only moderately, then the requisite influx of Eastern titles will create the "Eastern/Western" labels, which will also have the curious side effect of lumping UBISoft in the "Eastern" Pile (I mean, they're East of America-land, right?) But this will be a more dangerous label than before, because we have now moved off the games and onto the people that make them, and labeling people can have horrible consequences.
megashock5
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41 as of yesterday. I started with Colecovision and then the NES, then moved to Genesis, than PlayStation, then Dreamcast then PS2. Strangely, it was the demise of Sega as a hardware manufacturer that brought me back to Nintendo fandom. I didn't like the idea of losing both of the old guard, so I started supporting them and went out and got a Gamecube and then, of course, DS and Wii.
I think I'm on board for Wii U at launch as long as it's $300 or less. More than that and I have to remind myself that I have no time to play these days anyway.
I enjoy gimmicks. Especially optional gimmicks.
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First gaming experience on a friends Vectrex, PC only (Spacequest, Police Quest, Kings Quest, Larry, Pango, Loderunner...) gamer up until the SNES in 92.
That's one big thing.. I'm lucky if I can keep-up with just what Nintendo releases. Anything else is gravy!
Team Filler
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Great post. I agree that, no matter how well Nintendo does in providing for all demographics, they will continue to be labeled in derogatory fashions because of the narrative built up by the press in general, and particularly, by the enthusiast press. One needs look no further than the thousands of "Nintendo Am Doomed" articles dating back over a decade.
GameplayWhore
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I do hear you on that. It's why I lamented earlier in this thread that the Wii Remote / Nunchuk and the Move / whateveritis weren't closer to something like a regular controller but split in half. That would have preserved earlier gameplay while still introducing newness.
Also, I hate the crap out of the online play gimmick, which is becoming more and more mandatory for people who want to play games together. Good ploy, guys, now instead of my whole gaming group buying one game and playing together, we would each have to buy a copy of the game and the system itself in order to collectively enjoy the title. Also we each need to lug over our own TV. Cue in house/hookers/etc from that Crystal Chronicles pic.
That's a good start. The Vectrex was a godmachine. Raster displays can go suck an egg.
frankie_baby
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was sony smash was revealed today???
-Pyromaniac-
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there's only a huge ass topic about it on the front page
26, am I, am I young here? *swoons* So since somebody posted some twittering by Vook, anybody care to tell me why he of all people got banned?!11
Wah? That was for something image related apparently, also he said Hi~ya *waves at weevils* (<-would be a cool username too)
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Sony Smash isn't really something that knocks me out of my shoes, should have happened way earlier actually. I mean c'mon.
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Figurines will blow up the whole nendoroidy/figuriney scene of japanese games, they're the new pillows peoples! But we knew about that since forever why is it a talking point only now. Day 1 full DD store is the megaton to me, easy importing yay. Oh shit region locked eShop, gotta still import the console nooo~. Taxes,how why do they work ~_~
Wah? That was for something image related apparently, also he said Hi~ya *waves at weevils* (<-would be a cool username too)
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Sony Smash isn't really something that knocks me out of my shoes, should have happened way earlier actually. I mean c'mon.
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Figurines will blow up the whole nendoroidy/figuriney scene of japanese games, they're the new pillows peoples! But we knew about that since forever why is it a talking point only now. Day 1 full DD store is the megaton to me, easy importing yay. Oh shit region locked eShop, gotta still import the console nooo~. Taxes,
I remember the controller/arcadestick was huge for my tiny hands back then... and now i usually hold it like a i do a regular controller with an analogue stick, with the thumb on top.
After the Rayman news, is it safe to say that Ideaman should not be doubted anymore?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37308082&postcount=12976
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37308082&postcount=12976
brandonh83
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29. Lots of years as a Nintendo fan.
snowdog1971
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I can't see them messing about with pre-owned games, that will sour their relationships with retailers who thrive on buying/selling/exchanging pre-owned games. What I'm 100% certain they will do is use the NFC functionality of the controller to combat piracy.
Edit: And I'm an old git, 41
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What other interesting things did he/she say?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He says that you can see it from the images on Kotaku.
This is a really interesting analysis. I hadn't really thought about using labeling theory to approach this issue but it makes sense. One aspect that really makes the labeling theory stuff work is that Nintendo tends to go along with these labels to some degree once they become secondary deviance. Their attempt at dealing with the "kiddie" claims was to say they were fit for all ages (I know that is actually true, but I'm talking in terms of public perception) which wasn't a strong denial of that original idea. This was especially true during the GCN era.
Then when they were called casual they took it and ran with the touch generations line. They never really took ownership of their label all the way, but they also didn't really fight that hard to get rid of them. They used the labels when it was a benefit.
Interestingly Nintendo made a profit in each of these scenarios, yet they were were not considered "cool" in the zeitgeist of gamer culture.
GameplayWhore
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I remember the controller/arcadestick was huge for my tiny hands back then... and now i usually hold it like a i do a regular controller with an analogue stick, with the thumb on top.
NB: I laugh at Ninthings who claim that Nintendo pioneered the self-centering analog thumbstick.
Hobbestetrician
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You give your reasoning (which makes sense) so I am not calling you out but I am seeing this "$299 or bust" mentality a lot as if Nintendo isn't allowed to charge a lot for their new piece of technology while other companies can.
The 360 launched for either $350-450 ($100 extra if you wanted Wi-Fi), the PS3 for $500-600, the Vita is $250 (without mandatory costs like a memory card), an iPad is $600 (yes, I realize it does more but just making price comparisons), a smartphone is hundreds of dollars if you don't buy one on contract that will hit $300 in about 6 months, and a low-end laptop will run around $350.
You can't really compare a Wii U with some of those head-to-head because of different functionality (though the U will do much more than just play games) but I don't get why Nintendo has a ceiling on what they can charge on a brand new console that comes with a touchscreen controller. Are the 720 and PS4 going to have a similar price ceiling or will they be 'allowed' to charge more because they can get away with it?
Ah.
I see. I wasn't aware of 1a. Regardless, it doesn't seem like the people throwing it around are aware of its actual meaning. Which is pretty funny.
When someone rags on Nintendo games and their fans for being 'kiddie', it says more about the speaker than anything else. Playing any video game is a 'kiddie' activity when you get down to it. Some gamers (probably most) already accept this and don't care; they simply want to have fun. Combining mature subject matter with video games doesn't somehow turn it into a mature activity. If you want to be doing something mature, then go to work and pay your bills. If you prefer mature games, then that's fine. Just don't take someone else's preferences as proof of anything about them. This also applies to calling out people as being 'dudebros' just because they like CoD.
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LOL okay then Twitter has somewhat kept me up to date.
I kinda wish they would release a wired controller for Wii U. It would probably help with the streaming/reducing input lag.
Sony Smash Bros looks kinda interesting. I'm going to give it a try.
The 360 launched in the U.S. at $299 and $399. The extra $100 was for a 20 GB hard drive, a wireless controller, a remote controller, and component/ethernet cables. Neither package had Wi-Fi.
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