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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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Yup, videogame "journalism" at its finest.
Then I made the jump.
*jumps down the stairs*
Also, I really doubt it's an SoC, and REALLY doubt that the GPU is 32nm. Granted, it being 32nm would put us in a whole new ballgame...
That will be the case for all 3 consoles, but putting the pieces of the puzzle together and speculating in a speculation thread is certainly more fun than random gifs.
bgassassin
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Nope. That would be like saying third-party support will suck and first party games will still be awesome and saying no need to discuss further.
Pessimist, burn him!
That's awesome. I'm a fan of French animation in general, but it's neither here or there.
Still interested in this "Oban" chip, but why would it be on the Wii U? Why would Nintendo pick up a chip that MS possibly "dropped", if ever?
I'm sort of confused. Even if they both have AMD/IBM it means squat since Nintendo would need to meet specific needs. And based on what I read, only release dates coincide?
No. I like puzzles, and this is a fun one.
Smiles and Cries
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well for 4 threads now you guys really had me going that some of you really had some sources and kinda pretty much had the specs and just could not talk about it
but to be guessing on the what the chip is right now leaves me feeling lost
you guys let me down seriously... there is no Santa :|
bgassassin
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Do it DrWong. With them being French they will tell you everything.
The notion is that Oban never belonged to MS and that it was Nintendo's chip the whole time.
The current talk is about how the processors might look/work, not how many GB of memory it has, ALUs, TMUs, ROPS, in the GPU, etc.
The notion is that Oban never belonged to MS and that it was Nintendo's chip the whole time.
well for 4 threads now you guys really had me going that some of you really had some sources and kinda pretty much had the specs and just could not talk about it
but to be guessing on the what the chip is right now leaves me feeling lost
you guys let me down seriously... there is no Santa :|
The current talk is about how the processors might look/work, not how many GB of memory it has, ALUs, TMUs, ROPS, in the GPU, etc.
Here's something that's extremely unlikely to yield any info, but might as well throw it up here given the Fab 8 discussion:
GlobalFoundries profiled by ABC News
GlobalFoundries profiled by ABC News
timesunion.com said:
And what an improbable notion it is...
But, to what evidence? What is in this Oban that makes it "fit" the Wii U puzzle?
It's just too convinient to be true, too.
Smiles and Cries
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so let me get this straight
WiiU has a CPU and a GPU being built somewhere by IBM/AMD we know who the players are but we just don't know the name of the project and where they are being fabbed? is that what we are talking about here?
like the Project Flanker rumor?
so will we know the names of these chips at E3?
WiiU has a CPU and a GPU being built somewhere by IBM/AMD we know who the players are but we just don't know the name of the project and where they are being fabbed? is that what we are talking about here?
like the Project Flanker rumor?
so will we know the names of these chips at E3?
That's not what I was trying to imply. I think "Oban", the chip described by SemiAccurate, never existed in the first place, and that the chip in production at fab 8 (and previously at East Fishkill) might be a Wii U component. Maybe the GPU. The chip might or might not be called Oban, would have nothing to do with Microsoft, and would not be a six core PPC with a Southern Islands GPU. But I'm just speculating.
bgassassin
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Improbable based on what SemiAccurate described Oban as? Definitely.
But there is a reason why SemiAccurate is a good choice for the site's name.
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/02/the-next-generation-amd-gpu-is-not-called-sea-islands/
http://fudzilla.com/home/item/25822-amd-28nm-sea-islands-official-successor-to-southern-islands
So while Charlie's description of Oban doesn't fit the bill. It's also plausible his description isn't correct either.
Those are good questions. The primary evidence IMO would be the likelihood that MS switched to an all AMD solution and possibly before Mr. Demerjian started reporting on Oban. Then there is what wsippel mentioned. Adding to it Oban has multiple associations to Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oban_(disambiguation)
I'm not saying it is true, just showing why it can be viewed as true.
DragonSworne
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Wasn't the Oban rumor only speculating the chip belonged to MS because of the timeframe? There was nothing else in the rumor that stated it was for MS other than timing.
People thought Xbox720 would come out end of this year and that WiiU would be out before summer.
Now that the timing is completely off, wouldn't the speculation that the chip was for MS be completely off?
People thought Xbox720 would come out end of this year and that WiiU would be out before summer.
Now that the timing is completely off, wouldn't the speculation that the chip was for MS be completely off?
In a nutshell, yes. IBM did say that the CPU would be manufactured in their East Fishkill plant on a 45nm process. It's possible but unlikely that that's changed. We have pretty much no idea of either the manufacturing location or node of the GPU. We also don't know the chips' codenames, but it's possible that Project Flanker refers to the CPU.
bgassassin
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I believe the GPU aspect is what's still up for discussion.
For the most part, yes.
I'm going to say no.
Smiles and Cries
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okay thanks
it sounds like a bowl of soft noodles, so it can't be that powerful
OBAM now that sounds like a Winner
it sounds like a bowl of soft noodles, so it can't be that powerful
OBAM now that sounds like a Winner
Sounds like obama's new slogan... "O... BAM! I just pawned the presidential opponent"
Well, actually this Oban, like the other one speculated in this thread, came partially from Japan (co-production). Coincidence?... ^^
We don't even know if it actually exists or not, let alone how powerful it is.
GameplayWhore
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(slowly catching up with today -- was busy S-ranking a group project!)
Yeah, calling IR pointing "motion controls" is pretty much the same thing as referring to a mouse as "motion controls". Moving your hand around to directly control a pointer predates the population of the term "waggle" (and so forth) by about forty-three years.
This is a good idea. Everybody gets what they want.
Hm, that'd increase the rate of posting by a solid percent. Or even two percent if we went the 50ppp route. Brilliant!
Yeah, calling IR pointing "motion controls" is pretty much the same thing as referring to a mouse as "motion controls". Moving your hand around to directly control a pointer predates the population of the term "waggle" (and so forth) by about forty-three years.
This is a good idea. Everybody gets what they want.
Hm, that'd increase the rate of posting by a solid percent. Or even two percent if we went the 50ppp route. Brilliant!
GameplayWhore
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(still far behind, working on it!)
I'd buy it even if it were called the Nintendo
.
How about the "Nintendo Latrine?"
(it's better than "Shithouse!")
I'd buy it even if it were called the Nintendo
John
Smiles and Cries
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this thread is moving so fast and we don't have any news from IGN :3
bgassassin
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people think it'll actually be that strong?
GameplayWhore
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(almost
caught
up!)
I personally don't expect too much in the way of details on the gpu and cpu. It seems that the idea of focusing their marketing of some aspect of the system rather than computational strength is the Iwata Way. This doesn't mean they won't make super powerful systems, but it does mean that they finally noticed the "powerhouse never actually wins the generation" rule. It only took them about thirty years. I wonder how long it'll take Sony and Microsoft to notice it.
Well, that's interesting. The Wikipedia article on the second generation does not cover the "Computer TV Game", but it obviously seems to have existed from other accounts.
Quick! Somebody who isn't me fix this travesty of history!
I personally don't expect too much in the way of details on the gpu and cpu. It seems that the idea of focusing their marketing of some aspect of the system rather than computational strength is the Iwata Way. This doesn't mean they won't make super powerful systems, but it does mean that they finally noticed the "powerhouse never actually wins the generation" rule. It only took them about thirty years. I wonder how long it'll take Sony and Microsoft to notice it.
Well, that's interesting. The Wikipedia article on the second generation does not cover the "Computer TV Game", but it obviously seems to have existed from other accounts.
Quick! Somebody who isn't me fix this travesty of history!
Smiles and Cries
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Like hell I work for them. Who do you think I am?
Smiles and Cries
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you are the guy that will buy a WiiU at $299
Eh a bit of an exaggeration on my part I guess. I've been checking in and out of this thread due to work and it just seems like its been the hot topic.
Hell yeah.
Wow. What a shocker, IGN. Good going.
Smiles and Cries
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Even if Sony doesn't notice this rule, something tells me that in order to increase their chances of good financial health, they'll take a more Nintendo-like path this time around. And it'll divide their core base of fans like nothing else.
I don't. That's how they're going they're still going to make money per console, have the console be reasonably priced, and have the console comparable to current gen offerings. I wont' be surprised if it's weaker than the HD Twins.
You owe me $5 for that. And discussing Zelda, Pokemon or even 2D Mario is just as bad.Enough of this spec-ulation.
Let's speculate about Zelda or something
Enough of this spec-ulation.
Let's speculate about Zelda or something
Zelda 3DS will happen at E3. That's a no-brainer for me.
The question is, what exactly will it be?
bgassassin
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Kacho
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If it's A Link to the Past remake or sequel I will flip the fuck out.
AceBandage
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Zelda 3DS likely won't be a remake.
Expect something that looks like OoT 3D (but better) but plays completely differently.
Expect something that looks like OoT 3D (but better) but plays completely differently.
No remakes. Aonuma (or was it Miyamoto) said it wouldn't be right to release 2 remakes back-to-back before making an original one.
(And the next remake is most likely going to be Majora's Mask 3D.)
-Pyromaniac-
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If they have stylus only controls I'll hurt all of you.
Long time lurker to this series of thread, since before I was a member, and the console rumor threads since pre-e3 last year.
The thing about the WiiU I hope they do correctly is Advertise it right, especially if they decide to keep the name. A good 50% of customers I get into my Gaming Department at Best Buy are casual consumers (casual in the sense of, they only play a system a couple of times, get a few games.). Surprisingly, the majority of them do know about the WiiU, but I've had to clear up misconceptions. A lot still believe its either
A - A Handheld device
B - An added Controller to the Wii to Make it HD
C - Just an accessory to the Wii, not even HD capabilities
And given how they advertised it at E3 last year, thats exactly the message a lot of people got.
On my end, I would really hope that they would change the form factor of the Console though. As to no be too Similar to the Wii. I would actually like them to do different light indicators for the Tray light. Similar to the notification light on the 3DS. Tray glows orange when a Friend comes online, Blue when theres an update, Green when a friend sends a message. Since I doubt they'll go out there with colors, I would prefer black over white for the System/Controller. Mainly for the controller, because the sensor bar portion looks too out there.
When it comes to price, I like speculating with customers and have actually gotten some decent feedback from the casual consumers. Now I speculate with them a $299-399 price tag with $349 as the sweet spot. They see nothing wrong with that price and say its actually a good deal. Consider it this way, they know its a game system, but are big on the tablet market as well. On average, tablets cost in the $299-$399 range. You price a Game system with a tablet style controller that could potentially have its own apps, stream videos, browse the web, play Wii games and the new WiiU games and have access to a virtual console library? Consumers do see it as a good price.
Will it be impacted by PS3 and 360 if they go down in price? Not as much as most of us think. These casual consumers see "new" as better and also longevity. Most are aware PS3 and 360 have been out for 6-7 years and are probably on their way out as well. Although some will buy because of price, most wont buy because its been out a while.
When it comes to digital download prices set by retailers, I see this as helping us out. Since a lot of people are saying retail gaming is on its way out, at least this keeps us afloat and drives competition.
Just my 2 cents from the Retail front.
The thing about the WiiU I hope they do correctly is Advertise it right, especially if they decide to keep the name. A good 50% of customers I get into my Gaming Department at Best Buy are casual consumers (casual in the sense of, they only play a system a couple of times, get a few games.). Surprisingly, the majority of them do know about the WiiU, but I've had to clear up misconceptions. A lot still believe its either
A - A Handheld device
B - An added Controller to the Wii to Make it HD
C - Just an accessory to the Wii, not even HD capabilities
And given how they advertised it at E3 last year, thats exactly the message a lot of people got.
On my end, I would really hope that they would change the form factor of the Console though. As to no be too Similar to the Wii. I would actually like them to do different light indicators for the Tray light. Similar to the notification light on the 3DS. Tray glows orange when a Friend comes online, Blue when theres an update, Green when a friend sends a message. Since I doubt they'll go out there with colors, I would prefer black over white for the System/Controller. Mainly for the controller, because the sensor bar portion looks too out there.
When it comes to price, I like speculating with customers and have actually gotten some decent feedback from the casual consumers. Now I speculate with them a $299-399 price tag with $349 as the sweet spot. They see nothing wrong with that price and say its actually a good deal. Consider it this way, they know its a game system, but are big on the tablet market as well. On average, tablets cost in the $299-$399 range. You price a Game system with a tablet style controller that could potentially have its own apps, stream videos, browse the web, play Wii games and the new WiiU games and have access to a virtual console library? Consumers do see it as a good price.
Will it be impacted by PS3 and 360 if they go down in price? Not as much as most of us think. These casual consumers see "new" as better and also longevity. Most are aware PS3 and 360 have been out for 6-7 years and are probably on their way out as well. Although some will buy because of price, most wont buy because its been out a while.
When it comes to digital download prices set by retailers, I see this as helping us out. Since a lot of people are saying retail gaming is on its way out, at least this keeps us afloat and drives competition.
Just my 2 cents from the Retail front.
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