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[AniHawk]

Yeah, the gaming media just HATES Nintendo games. Who could forget 8.8? I'm still in therapy after that day.

the best part about 8.8 is that even the people who don't like twilight princess chime in and say 'it really WAS an 8.8!' as though 8.8 is a bad score. just like the people who melted down over the score thought it was a bad score.

this is why my seemingly harsh method is the best. it creates clear tiers for things at each and every level instead of the weird method where 8-8.9 = hating a game, 9 = maybe it's okay, and 9.1-9.5 = acceptable

 

[Medalion]

What Zelda could learn from Dance Party 5

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Yeah, the gaming media just HATES Nintendo games. Who could forget 8.8? I'm still in therapy after that day.

And all those 9/10s for all those Mario, Zelda, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros, and Donkey Kong Country Returns? Dreadful!

There's an argument to be made.

They get highly rated individually but are not considered real games when the game itself is over.

Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the highest rated games of the year. It was ignored during Game of the Year talk. A lot of places refused to even put Zelda in their deliberations (regardless of your personal feelings, some outlets gave it really high scores that wouldn't be ignored if the game were named something else) based on several people just not wishing to play it. Handhelds games are always going to be ignored especially on the 3DS when it comes to Game of the Year deliberations.

I'm not sure it's accurate to portray it as a seething hatred, but Nintendo games are often not considered real games regardless of whether they're fun to play or not.

 

[BurntPork]

Time to update the countdown clock in the OP.

And only an hour huh? I'd like for that to mean no 3ds or Wii talk then.

3DS is selling like shit in North America, and you think it's a good idea for them to ignore it!?! Insanity. 3DS needs more games to get it going outside of Japan. It should be selling at least twice as fast as it is now.

There's an argument to be made.

They get highly rated individually but are not considered real games when the game itself is over.

Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the highest rated games of the year. It was ignored during Game of the Year talk. A lot of places refused to even put Zelda in their deliberations (regardless of your personal feelings, some outlets gave it really high scores that wouldn't be ignored if the game were named something else) based on several people just not wishing to play it. Handhelds games are always going to be ignored especially on the 3DS when it comes to Game of the Year deliberations.

I'm not sure it's accurate to portray it as a seething hatred, but Nintendo games are often not considered real games regardless of whether they're fun to play or not.

That's only because of the graphics. Admittedly, it does look weird to show a GotY reel with both Battlefield 3 and Skyward Sword in it.

 

[udivision]

3DS is selling like shit in North America, and you think it's a good idea for them to ignore it!?! Insanity. 3DS needs more games to get it going outside of Japan. It should be selling at least twice as fast as it is now.

Too bad for Nintendo, it'll be 2 years before Pokemon 3DS hits NA shelves.

 

[Shadowlink]

34 days until E3! I think we'll reach the end of thread 5 before their E3 conference.

 

[test_account]

There's an argument to be made.

They get highly rated individually but are not considered real games when the game itself is over.

Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the highest rated games of the year. It was ignored during Game of the Year talk. A lot of places refused to even put Zelda in their deliberations (regardless of your personal feelings, some outlets gave it really high scores that wouldn't be ignored if the game were named something else) based on several people just not wishing to play it. Handhelds games are always going to be ignored especially on the 3DS when it comes to Game of the Year deliberations.

I'm not sure it's accurate to portray it as a seething hatred, but Nintendo games are often not considered real games regardless of whether they're fun to play or not.

I'm not sure about the broad picture, but Edge gave the GOTY award to Super Mario Galaxy 2. I also remember seeing this game as a nominee at Gametrailers.com.

 

[Medalion]

Mario isn't the problem, that thing is gangbustah's

Zelda is where people see the problems

 

[Plinko]

3DS is selling like shit in North America, and you think it's a good idea for them to ignore it!?! Insanity. 3DS needs more games to get it going outside of Japan. It should be selling at least twice as fast as it is now.

This is absolute lunacy.

 

[AzaK]

Doesn't matter if you type one smiley face or a million, there's no excuse who what you just typed. None.

AzaK had a good run.

\_____Q

There are three ways to purchase a game.

1. Through the eShop from Nintendo.
2. Through a retailer via physical disc.
3. Through a retailer at their store via download code.

I think the brilliant thing out of all this is that Nintendo are even offering the best of both worlds. Retailers being able to sell codes gives you instant access as well as the ability to find a retailer that can offer deals. I get all my Wii games from overseas as they are 1/2-2/3 the price of buying locally. While I will still by mainly packaged games, there will be DD ones I will no doubt buy and to be able to get them cheaper would be great.

Has this been posted?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cater-to-core-gamers-first-mass-market-second

Iwata: Wii U/3DS will cater to core gamers first, mass market second

It was really great to read in the investor's Q&A that they really acknowledge their misstep about not catering enough to the enthusiast crowd.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Zelda is where people see the problems

Don't tell that to GameTrailers, Game Informer, EGM, GameSpy, X-Play, etc in 2006, they gave TP the GotY.

And I guess we'll just call a mulligan on SMG winning everything in 2007.

I'd like to know the required number of GOTYs Nintendo must win to prove the gaming media's supposed disdain is unfounded.

 

[BurntPork]

Too bad for Nintendo, it'll be 2 years before Pokemon 3DS hits NA shelves.

More like a year and a half, but I think that more releases on a consistent basis can at least get it up to 60k/week on average.

This is absolute lunacy.

No, it's not. 225k in a five week month with a significant release is pathetic for the successor to the DS. April is 100% guaranteed to be a sub-200k month. There's no way to paint that as remotely good.

 

[ozfunghi]

Well... not to open up a can of worms, but if i remember correctly, Gerstmann scored the game so "low" because of Wii specific problems IIRC. Yet he scored the Gamecube version only a 0.1 higher.

PS; seems i remembered correctly:

The Bad:
Wii-specific elements feel tacked on
graphics and sound sometimes go from nostalgic to dated.

This was his Wii related breakdown. The GCN breakdown still had the graphics & sound comment. Which is insane because GCN was previous gen hardware and TP was one of the most beautiful games released for it (maybe behind RE4/Rebel Strike...). To me, he lost all credibility right there. Had he scored the Wii version 8.2 and the GCN version 8.9 at least it would have made some sense.

 

[WillyFive]

There's an argument to be made.

They get highly rated individually but are not considered real games when the game itself is over.

Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the highest rated games of the year. It was ignored during Game of the Year talk. A lot of places refused to even put Zelda in their deliberations (regardless of your personal feelings, some outlets gave it really high scores that wouldn't be ignored if the game were named something else) based on several people just not wishing to play it. Handhelds games are always going to be ignored especially on the 3DS when it comes to Game of the Year deliberations.

I'm not sure it's accurate to portray it as a seething hatred, but Nintendo games are often not considered real games regardless of whether they're fun to play or not.

I see what you mean.

Well... not to open up a can of worms, but if i remember correctly, Gerstmann scored the game so "low" because of Wii specific problems IIRC. Yet he scored the Gamecube version only a 0.1 higher.

PS; seems i remembered correctly:

This was his Wii related breakdown. The GCN breakdown still had the graphics & sound comment. Which is insane because GCN was previous gen hardware and TP was one of the most beautiful games released for it (maybe behind RE4/Rebel Strike...). To me, he lost all credibility right there.

He started to adapt very particular tastes by that time, and they are even more extreme today with Giantbomb. There's nothing really wrong with it, but he likes what he likes and he thinks what he thinks.

 

[BY2K]

The Black Ops 2 trailer actually doesn't mention any console at all.

 

[AceBandage]

There's an argument to be made.

They get highly rated individually but are not considered real games when the game itself is over.

Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the highest rated games of the year. It was ignored during Game of the Year talk. A lot of places refused to even put Zelda in their deliberations (regardless of your personal feelings, some outlets gave it really high scores that wouldn't be ignored if the game were named something else) based on several people just not wishing to play it. Handhelds games are always going to be ignored especially on the 3DS when it comes to Game of the Year deliberations.

I'm not sure it's accurate to portray it as a seething hatred, but Nintendo games are often not considered real games regardless of whether they're fun to play or not.

Because the industry is full of man babies that need their latest killing fix.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Or

Or

They liked ME2 and Skyrim more then the big Nintendo games

Shocking thought, I know

 

[Exterminieren]

3DS is selling like shit in North America, and you think it's a good idea for them to ignore it!?! Insanity. 3DS needs more games to get it going outside of Japan. It should be selling at least twice as fast as it is now.

Christ almighty, BurntPork.

No, it's not. 225k in a five week month with a significant release is pathetic for the successor to the DS. April is 100% guaranteed to be a sub-200k month. There's no way to paint that as remotely good.

It's decent. Not extraordinary, but holding up reasonably. No reason to be shouting from the rooftops, but not selling like shit.

You see that? Moderation of opinion, without jumping to extremes and absurdities. Maybe try it some time.

 

[AceBandage]

Or

Or

They liked ME2 and Skyrim more then the big Nintendo games

Shocking thought, I know

It's one thing to vote for awesome game A over awesome game B.

It's another thing to completely ignore awesome game B for no reason.

 

[HylianTom]

Or

Or

They liked ME2 and Skyrim more then the big Nintendo games

Shocking thought, I know

If you haven't noticed a pretty noticeable current of derision towards Nintendo, I don't know what to say honestly. (other than perhaps "wow")

Look, I know we're not going to convince each other.. but we can express mutual amazement. That might be for the best. It'll both save us the energy.

 

[MisterHero]

Don't tell that to GameTrailers, Game Informer, EGM, GameSpy, X-Play, etc in 2006, they gave TP the GotY.

And I guess we'll just call a mulligan on SMG winning everything in 2007.

I'd like to know the required number of GOTYs Nintendo must win to prove the gaming media's supposed disdain is unfounded.

When the reviewers/journalists stop complaining about motion controls and the 'power level' of Nintendo hardware, the claim will cease.

But they won't.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

So yeah after seeing the COD trailer....Nintendo better be on the ball on that front.

 

[Plinko]

No, it's not. 225k in a five week month with a significant release is pathetic for the successor to the DS. April is 100% guaranteed to be a sub-200k month. There's no way to paint that as remotely good.

The economy still isn't great and despite what GAF says, it's quite obvious that people aren't clamoring for new systems right now.

 

[ozfunghi]

He started to adapt very particular tastes by that time, and they are even more extreme today with Giantbomb. There's nothing really wrong with it, but he likes what he likes and he thinks what he thinks.

Yet taste has nothing to do with it. If he dislikes the game, so be it. But if you're going to shit on the Wii version because of Wii specific problems, you can't score the GCN version the same. It's about ethics and common sense, not taste.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Or

Or

They liked ME2 and Skyrim more then the big Nintendo games

Shocking thought, I know

That's not the argument I was presenting, but you're clearly not interested in talking about that, so okay.

 

[udivision]

The economy still isn't great and despite what GAF says, it's quite obvious that people aren't clamoring for new systems right now.

Gotta get that new record-setting iPad 3 that costs way more though.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Here's a fun poll from GameFAQs, their 2011 GotY. Do note that this is the land of Nintendo fanboys; they vote Link as the "Greatest Video Game Character of All-Time" pratically every year, without fail. A few months before this, they declared Link vs Ganondorf the best rivarly in gaming.

Skyrim won, and it wasn't close

Did GameFAQs bring up some kind of anti-Zelda bias in the span of a few months? Did GameFAQs suddenly think of Zelda as "not a real game" as Alberto gracefully put it?

Or do you just think that more people like Skyrim the best then Skyward Sword?

 

[AceBandage]

Gotta get they new record setting iPad 3 that costs way more though.

Apple exists in its own bubble, though.
People buy them for social status.

Here's a fun poll from GameFAQs, their 2011 GotY. Do note that this is the land of Nintendo fanboys; they vote Link as the "Greatest Video Game Character of All-Time" pratically every year, without fail. A few months before this, they declared Link vs Ganondorf the best rivarly in gaming.

Skyrim won, and it wasn't close

Did GameFAQs bring up some kind of anti-Zelda bias in the span of a few months? Did GameFAQs suddenly think of Zelda as "not a real game" as Alberto gracefully put it?

Or do you just think that more people like Skyrim the best then Skyward Sword?

Again... completely missing the point of the entire argument.

 

[bgassassin]

3DS is selling like shit in North America, and you think it's a good idea for them to ignore it!?!

Yes.

 

[NateDrake]

The economy still isn't great and despite what GAF says, it's quite obvious that people aren't clamoring for new systems right now.

Exactly. To expect the 3DS to be selling 450k a month is insanity. Should it be moving closer to 300k a month? Sure. But it isn't bombing in NA by any means.

 

[ozfunghi]

Here's a fun poll from GameFAQs, their 2011 GotY. Do note that this is the land of Nintendo fanboys; they vote Link as the "Greatest Video Game Character of All-Time" pratically every year, without fail. A few months before this, they declared Link vs Ganondorf the best rivarly in gaming.

Skyrim won, and it wasn't close

Did GameFAQs bring up some kind of anti-Zelda bias in the span of a few months? Did GameFAQs suddenly think of Zelda as "not a real game" as Alberto gracefully put it?

Or do you just think that more people like Skyrim the best then Skyward Sword?

lol no

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Again... completely missing the point of the entire argument.

Explain it, please. Let's talk about this. This seems to be a serious issue for you guys.

 

[AceBandage]

Explain it, please. Let's talk about this. This seems to be a serious issue for you guys.

When journalists flat out refuse to play a game, because of the system it is on, there is an obvious bias going on.
If you can't see this, then you seriously need to pay closer attention.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Explain it, please. Let's talk about this. This seems to be a serious issue for you guys.

If there's anyone getting worked up here, I don't think it's me.

 

[Christberg]

I most look forward to the day gaming media are reviewing WiiU games... I want to see if they still how that low Nintendo hate they had for Wii as if it was a bastard child

Sample IGN review:

Having a map on the subscreen doesn't add anything to Call of Duty. Forcing players to control the UAV on the Wii U remote forces them to look away from the main screen which leaves the player vulnerable to attack. Score:8.0

The Xbox 360 version of Call of Duty is yet another excellent entry in this venerable franchise. The graphics, while being a step down from what's available on newer consoles do not detract from the experience. Score:9.5

 

[BY2K]

When journalists flat out refuse to play a game, because of the system it is on, there is an obvious bias going on.

Who did that?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

When journalists flat out refuse to play a game, because of the system it is on, there is an obvious bias going on.
If you can't see this, then you seriously need to pay closer attention.

What journalists? Let's point them out. Let's see if Nintendo was in the GotY nominations/discussions. Lets get to the bottom of this. Back-up your argument.

If there's anyone getting worked up here, I don't think it's me.

I'll ask again: Explain your argument so the point won't be missed again.

 

[schuelma]

I'll ask again: Explain your argument so the point won't be missed again.

His argument was very clear.

 

[BlackJace]

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

 

[WillyFive]

Skyrim definitely became more popular and had longer lasting coverage by the media and the fanbase than Skyward Sword did. Viral videos about Skyrim spread around, while Skyward Sword doesn't even get that many Let's Plays.

Skyrim simply connected more with people.

 

[AceBandage]

Who did that?

What journalists? Let's point them out. Let's see if Nintendo was in the GotY nominations/discussions. Lets get to the bottom of this. Back-up your argument.



I'll ask again: Explain your argument so the point won't be missed again.

GiantBomb at E3 2011. No one would play Skyward Sword, and they gave no real reason. They were basically just "LOL ZELDA LOL WII".

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

Because Nintendo has their own events for that.

 

[udivision]

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

1) They never do
2) The PSV was announced after the 3DS IIRC
3) Just because they don't announce the price at e3 doesn't mean they can't announce the price before launch.

 

[11redder]

I'm not sure about the broad picture, but Edge gave the GOTY award to Super Mario Galaxy 2. I also remember seeing this game as a nominee at Gametrailers.com.

Edge are somewhat of an anomaly in that they're unrepentant in their love of Nintendo and their franchises. Bunch of luddites.

 

[dwu8991]

The Black Ops 2 trailer actually doesn't mention any console at all.

all platforms pretty much

expect some exclusive wii u features

treyarch have nailed the wii remote controls, so this is going to be great !

 

[ASTROID2]

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

They probably want to see peoples reaction and build a price from there.

 

[AceBandage]

They probably want to see peoples reaction and build a price from there.

I don't think they'll make that mistake again.
I see them selling it much closer to breaking even.

 

[Heropon]

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

I suppose they want some impressions before deciding the final price. Thanks to the 3DS they know that they shouldn't overprice much the system, but maybe it can oscillate around 50 up/down from their actual target.

...And they never announce the price at E3.

 

[Zoramon089]

I wonder why Nintendo won't announce the price and release date of the Wii U at E3? Sony did with the Vita, and the competitive pricing alongside the 3DS made a huge positive impact. If they price it competitive as well, it gives people a lot more incentive to be launch day buyers.

And it can shut up IGN and their "Wii U Price Headache" nonsense.

You realize they did the exact same thing with the 3DS, right?

 

[WillyFive]

You realize they did the exact same thing with the 3DS, right?

And the Wii.

 

[Conor 419]

Edge are somewhat of an anomaly in that they're unrepentant in their love of Nintendo and their franchises. Bunch of luddites.

Not really.

Many people blindly quote 'Halo 3 [10]' in an effort to undermine Edge. No matter what bandwagon route the Edge critics take, their efforts are always futile.