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Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Why are you so sure about that tele thing? You completly forget regen.
120 AP/15=8. Let's say you cast 0.7 spells per seconds, thats 5.5 seconds. In those 5.5 seconds you regen 5.5*14=77 AP, which means another 5 teleports.
How does 5 additional teleports equal the mess that was infinite amount of teleports in D2? We're comparing D3 to D2 here, bro. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
@Teleport: As FCR Increases, AP Regen needs to increase to compensate to create a non-stop stream of Teleports. If it's to just keep it within the 1s window, you "only" need 15 AP/s regen regardless of FCR.
I'm not understanding the bolded part. If you have a ridiculous amount of FCR then surely 15AP/s won't be able to regen fast enough...
 

scy

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How does 5 additional teleports equal the mess that was infinite amount of teleports in D2? We're comparing D3 to D2 here, bro. Nothing more, nothing less.

5 more Teleports = 3.5 more seconds = 49 Mana = 3 more Teleports = 2.1 Seconds = 28 Mana = 2 more Teleports (+4 leftover from prior regen) = 1.4 more seconds = 19 Mana = 1 more Teleport ...

...of course, it eventually stops.
 

injurai

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How does 5 additional teleports equal the mess that was infinite amount of teleports in D2? We're comparing D3 to D2 here, bro. Nothing more, nothing less.

Infinite anything only spells trouble. It's also not like your only casting teleport. Most of the time you will be firing off other spells so you will probably only get 2-3 teleports with normal use.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Infinite anything only spells trouble. It's also not like your only casting teleport. Most of the time you will be firing off other spells so you will probably only get 2-3 teleports with normal use.
We're discussing MF-runs now though, you're not supposed to stop teleporting around to kill mobs :3
 

FINALBOSS

Banned
If I want to be a dualwield beast, am I going Barb or Monk?

I'm pretty dead-set on WD for my first playthrough, but I almost always rock a dual-wield class in every RPG :/
 

Realyn

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But you can have infinite Teleports in D3. Ofc you can't cast anything else, but its easy doable. Like I said, just with passives and base regen you regen 14 AP/second ... Tele costs 15 and wormhole lasts 1 second. Case closed ;p.
incase there actually are items increasing ap/second
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
If I want to be a dualwield beast, am I going Barb or Monk?
Barbarian is the definitive choice. Did you ever play frenzy barb in D2?
 

FinKL

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If ANYTHING, if you want to chain cast teleport, you're going to need to run Critical Mass and a skill that hits multiple targets, I think.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
incase there actually are items increasing ap/second
There are!

Oh God, now I'm so fucking hyped. Why do you guys do this to me... WHY... WHY?!
 

hyduK

Banned
It's kind of interesting to me how Blizzard keeps talking about these things being mistakes, but the people playing it didn't really seem to feel that way very much. I find it kind of baffling how one of the most successful PC games ever made is constantly put down by the people who made it (or at least are responsible for making its sequel).

Still gonna be a fun game, yadda yadda, but Blizzard's attitude still rubs me the wrong way on this stuff.

And some people actually loved it :3 You can't ignore the fact that people got faster loot with teleport, so they didn't complain!

I'm part of that problem :x


I dunno. In the context of Diablo II, teleporting wasn't bad.

People did MF runs for the loot. It wasn't fun, it was a means to an end. Whether that end was getting gear for your current toon, getting items to trade, items for an alt, etc. The most popular bosses for MF runs were Mephisto and Andy (pre-1.10 it was almost exclusively Mephisto). Neither of these offer the best loot tables in the games...Diablo, Baal, The Pit, Pindleskin, etc. all had better loot tables. People ran Meph/Andy because they offered near-instant gratification to offset the monotonous task you were actually performing. You didn't always get great items, but you always got items, and there was always that sense of 'okay, just one more run' because one more run is only 5 minutes.

Most people didn't run Diablo because he wasn't fast (had to clear the whole area/seals), same with Baal (especially since a lot of classes resulted in you sitting there waiting for your merc to kill the waves). People didn't run Pindle/The Pit/etc. because although they had good loot tables, it was all extremely low percentage. You take out Teleport, and Meph/Andy are basically in the same boat as those above. You lose the push/pull effect that the instant gratification caused. People probably get bored of the game a lot faster.

Obviously I realize that D3 isn't D2, and I'm not trying to imply that this is what will happen with it. But teleport definitely served a purpose in D2, and was far from game-breaking bad.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Nope. Never played D2....

Is that bad? :/
It's okay... just make sure to read my fanfic below:

Just the thought of running around as an insanely fast barbarian, dual wielding axes, going all frenzy on everything that's even remotely close to you, constantly dealing strikes faster than the wind, while regenerating health and rage as you hit over and over and over and over and over again.

FUCK.
That should be enough to convince you to play a dual wielding barbarian :3
 

maharg

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But you can have infinite Teleports in D3. Ofc you can't cast anything else, but its easy doable. Like I said, just with passives and base regen you regen 14 AP/second ... Tele costs 15 and wormhole lasts 1 second. Case closed ;p.
incase there actually are items increasing ap/second

Really though, where MF Diablo2-style is concerned 1s of sitting around is probably gonna get you mobbed and killed. Was tele available in the beta at some point (I only got my wizard up to 10 on the open weekend)? Does it have a status-bar cast like TP?
 
Yeah I mentioned that in my previous post as-well. Between 6-8 teleports should be the accurate number until you get oom.

(btw, Astral Presence is a terrible passive if you ask me :3)

It's more useful if you're using Energy Armor, which decreases your Arcane Power by 20. With Astral Presence you get back to the default amount. Although you could spec your gear to increase Arcane Power as well.

Energy Armor - Force Armor will be used in a lot of Inferno Wizard builds.
 

Realyn

Member
I'm not understanding the bolded part. If you have a ridiculous amount of FCR then surely 15AP/s won't be able to regen fast enough...
That was what I was trying to say. FCR doesnt matter in the first place. It only drains your mana faster. You'll need to regen atleast 15 while casting teleport one time. Seriously think thats doable.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Was tele available in the beta at some point as well (I only got my wizard up to 10)? Does it have a status-bar cast like TP?
Teleport was available very early on in the beta. Status-bar as in cast time? No, it's instant.
 

hyduK

Banned
Really though, where MF Diablo2-style is concerned 1s of sitting around is probably gonna get you mobbed and killed. Was tele available in the beta at some point (I only got my wizard up to 10 on the open weekend)? Does it have a status-bar cast like TP?

Yeah 1s is too long. One bad teleport spells death.
 

scy

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I'm not understanding the bolded part. If you have a ridiculous amount of FCR then surely 15AP/s won't be able to regen fast enough...

1s window is static so it doesn't matter what your cast rate is so long as you gain 15 AP in that time frame. How fast you cast doesn't change this. If it takes you .5s per cast or 1s per cast, yo'll always have a 1s window of regen time. As FCR increases, you need more AP Regen so you never STOP casting but you'll only ever need 15 AP/second minimum.

Basically, let's say you have 15 AP/second regen and can cast 6 Teleports in 1 second. After the last teleport, you have 10 AP + 15 for the 1s you spent casting Teleports so you now have 25 AP. You cast Teleport again and are left with 10 AP. After 1s but before the Wormhole time frame elapses, you have +15 AP and can Teleport again. Since you always have 1 second of regen time, you'll always regen enough.

Your limiting factor is getting the AP for another Teleport in that 1 second window that Wormhole is active. Your FCR just gets you through your initial pool faster but does nothing for that 1s window. That said, you'll probably want 20 AP/second regen just so you can get +15 after .6-.7 seconds rather than cutting it so close by needing your entire 1s window.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Just watched a vid of a dual-wield barbarian killing the Skele King in Beta. Holy FUCK did he strike so fast. That was so awesome.
And that shit is with beta gear! Combine inferno gear with the Vanguard rune:

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And you'll run fast as the wind and slashing enemies even faster!
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Sorry if you've answered this before, but what mouse is that? I love the orange... please tell me it's not the sensei?
 
I guess you could check if you received enough mails :/ other than that, I think we'll have to wait the release.

You've got 3 days of grace time after release anyway before the site goes down/sigils become unavailable to earn. So if you missed one you'll be able to see in-game, and then redo it.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yeah... ugh, I remember buying one of those Sensei-versions and I've never been so disappointed in my entire life. My level of play in SC2 decreased with like 400% and my hand never seemed to adapt to its shape, and I kept (accidentally) clicking on those fucking buttons that are meant for left-handed people.

I ended up raging so hard at the mouse that I opened my back door and threw it as far as I could, out of my house. I never saw that mouse again... and I regret nothing.
 
In regards to Teleport + Wormhole, Jay Wilson was asked about this other day and responded:

"JayWilson: You can teleport as many times as the animation will allow in the time before the cooldown is triggered."

Which sounds to me like it's cast speed limited rather than AP, though I could be reading it wrong.
 

FinKL

Member
Yeah... ugh, I remember buying one of those Sensei-versions and I've never been so disappointed in my entire life. My level of play in SC2 decreased with like 400% and my hand never seemed to adapt to its shape, and I kept (accidentally) clicking on those fucking buttons that are meant for left-handed people.

I ended up raging so hard at the mouse that I opened my back door and threw it as far as I could, out of my house. I never saw that mouse again... and I regret nothing.

Can't you unbind the left handed buttons??? What does it default too?
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Can't you unbind the left handed buttons??? What does it default too?
I had to manually disable it for every game that I played. Eventually I found a way of completely disabling it with a third party program, but at that point I was already frustrated as fuck. The fact that I could hear the buttons "clicking" in everytime I accidentally pressed them made me rage so hard.
 
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