I'm sure they'd provide an ETA.
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I'm sure they'd provide an ETA.
Cheesecakebobby
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What if I have a download cap? I will still have to work out how much downloading is required.
Edit: It would also be helpful to have it displayed in GB because most of us will be using USB hard drives of various sizes and what not
They are going to talk about Nintendo at E3. And given how the Last 2 were subdivided, with the second portion of each being "Can _____ win E3?" for Nintendo it'll be a 30 Second Video with all of them laughing saying no.
bgassassin
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In the DK environment? No. Ideaman has been saying at least 512MBs is locked off, hinting it could be more than that in the dev kit. He also said it was a surprising amount so being over 512MBs would fit the bill. They are using more than 512MBs. I think worst case scenario for the retail unit would be 1.5GB for games and 512MB for OS and stuff. And from there just depends on how much they can reduce the 512MB footprint.
Things go pretty fast in these threads, but I mentioned in the last thread that I think it's safe to say it will be 2GB after asking around. The remaining questions are what type of memory and how big will the final OS footprint be.
Is the cap in Si or binary?
One block = 128 kibibyte (131.072B). Eight blocks are one mebibyte.
Portugeezer
Member
All this talk about Mario reminded me of this old image I have saved:
Lol, brilliant.
3DS converts an SD card into blocks. Doubt they lost the source code for that.
Cheesecakebobby
Banned
Oh right. Ugh. I can see how in the past using the idea of memory blocks made things simpler for the user. But that was before we started downloading enormous amounts of data over the internet and using variously sized non-proprietary storage mediums... the average user knows what MB and GB mean now, and that is what their hard drives/ memory cards plus their internet connection use. I hope they dump blocks.
STARFOX X METROID!!!
Because obviously, they're totally compatible franchises! gah, it's bullshit. Read the thread about it and laugh.
Where link finds the land of what would become new Hyrule. He has to lock away the evil that all ready exists on these lands. Due to heroic deeds he becomes the king of Hyrule at the end.
I thought a bit about the supposed custom extensions to the GPU, and remembered something: GPU stream processors are pretty much Harvard architecture units as far as I'm aware. What if Nintendo uses Super Harvard units instead? Super Harvard units have a local cache to store instructions and use the same bus for instructions and operands, significantly increasing the bandwidth and freeing up a lot of resources. Or they could add something like the Siemens-Infineon TriCore register iterator. This is all very low level and I have no idea what might make sense and what doesn't, but there are some exotic designs having certain strengths, accelerating certain functions by an order of magnitude. Stuff that'll probably never find its way in a "standard" GPU as it's simply not "standard" and at odds with APIs like Direct3D, even though it could lead to massive performance improvements in certain areas. Either way, if we're talking about "custom extensions", I think it'll be something like the things I described, not any "fixed function units" per se.
I know, but it's still stupid.
Blocks are awseome.
So... should Nintendo use Si units (like Apple) or binary units (like Microsoft)?
ColdBlooder
Banned
Blocks are OLD SCHOOL! And thats why its Cool.
My C64 used blocks on its floppy discs. Those discs were really floppy, not the modern hardplastic crap
bgassassin
Member
Interesting. This is the kind of info I needed to get my knowledge in this area going in the right direction.
No
Superman does this
Mario does not
This so flawed... LOL
Everyone on the planet would die from extreme temperatures while being moved...
Oh lol,
The further away Superman is from a yellow sun, the weaker he is. xD Also dying suns are red aint they? That means he looses his powers completely.
The comic just collapsed on it self.
SFxMetroid was a rumor. He has something confirmed under wraps, it seems.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Hi all
Anything new since this morning?
Anything new since this morning?
There would also be extreme tidal effects, but not limited to water moving. There would be Earthquakes, volcanoes, fissures, etc.
tkscz
Member
Technically yes. Some people here would like it to be a fixed function at that, which would ease development.
So, anyone else questioning the chain that's going through the planets as well?
bgassassin
Member
Unless someone with more direct knowledge with this stuff can rule it out, I'd say anything including stuff like this and what wsippel said is plausible because I wasn't told what those features would be specifically.
The difference is small enough that it doesn't matter too much so long as I don't need to run calculations to figure out memory.
Remember: my knowledge about low level chip design is very, very basic. Pretty much all I know is that there are certain highly specialized concepts that only very few companies use, and that often seems to be patent related more than anything. The TriCore iterator is one such example. Iterating a 32bit register file used to waste 40 cycles, whereas a TriCore chip could do it in a single cycle. That tech obviously gave Siemens a strategic advantage, so they never licensed the tech to anyone as far as I know. I think a console manufacturer would have far less problems licensing tech like that or the Analog Devices/ Texas Instruments Super Harvard technology though, as it's basically free money for the inventors. They don't lose their unique selling points, as console chips are custom and proprietary and will never be sold as general purpose processors, and they don't lose money, because their actual chips would never find their ways in a console. There's simply no competition between Nintendo and, say, Siemens, Analog Devices, Clearspeed or EnLight. AMD or Nvidia on the other hand would be competitors. But if it's Nintendo who licenses the tech, there shouldn't be any issues. It's not like AMD doesn't know how the stuff works or how to implement it, what's important is that they're not allowed to.
Epic to Nintendo techies: "Hey guyz ! look at our UE4 demo ! with our engine, we'll add 1500^20 particles EVERYWHERE ! See this volcano ? particles ! See this knight/demon eyes ? PARTICLES ! see those mountains ? particles ! Now imagine your mario plumber outfit being torn or burned by browser fetid breath ? PARTICLES ! Picture the trail of Peach lipstick pink chemicals left behind a kiss she give to Mario ? P A R T I C L E S !!!!!!!!!!"
Nintendo: "ok we need a particle fixed function on our GPU"
tadam, i solved the Wii U GPU mystery
Apophis2036
Banned
Thanks for posting.
Amazing video, this is what they need to do at this E3 imo, throw footage of every major exclusive IP at us, even if they are not out for a while.
A two min video showing all the exclusives would blow people away and 'win' E3 easily for Nintendo imo
.Graphics Horse
Member
It's just a megabit isn't it? Or near enough.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Archie is the king of Crossovers
JoshuaJSlone
Member
bgassassin
Member
Haha. Well my knowledge on it is virtually non-existent. But like I mentioned this and lednerg's post helps me get a better idea of how it would look from a modern perspective instead of my out-dated view.
And to let the cat out of the bag a little bit publicly, since these features are Nintendo-patented we can eliminate licensing. So I wonder what could they have come up with to accelerate certain things.
Disorientator
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Just found out that if you point your browser to http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii-u you'll see that it's not re-directing you to "http://www.metacritic.com/games/" OR spitting out any 404 errors.
Of course it's just a blank page but, for now, you can close your eyes and imagine it's filled with awesome
titles
Not sure how long it's been like this so sorry if it was noted before.
Of course it's just a blank page but, for now, you can close your eyes and imagine it's filled with awesome
90+
Not sure how long it's been like this so sorry if it was noted before.
tkscz
Member
Don't forget the new lighting effect, the ONLY thing I find impressive with UE4
I remember when the garden/bird demo was first shown, there was some speculation that there was a light probe placed on the bird. That would have explained the way the bird seemed to be dynamically lit by its surroundings rather than just by lights. Of course, that could very well have been faked by using a baked-in light map, so the video wasn't proof in and of itself. But if there was one built-in lighting effect to have, that would be a majorly helpful and visually effective one, imo.
Lol, what if that's all it was. Xbox 360 graphics + a bunch of particles. Every game looks identical except for all the dust and sand flying around. Instant hit.
Hmm. I wonder if, as we saw with the Wii, we're going to see any media outlets just outright refuse to spend time reviewing Wii U games because the games "aren't made for gamers" (or some other equally odious reason).
I also wonder what the media landscape will look like in six years. It certainly has been changing..
Oh, so Nintendo's chip design crew isn't quite dead yet? That's good to know (doesn't rule out that certain aspects might be licensed though). They designed some pretty cool concepts back in the early Gamecube days, but most of the engineers (almost all of them former Silicon Graphics staff) left the company around 2001 if I remember correctly. But then again, I know better than to underestimate Nintendo, and they're damn good at covering their tracks.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
To be fair, Paul Gale says that all he knows is that this game was pitched- not that it was ever greenlit.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Hmm. I wonder if, as we saw with the Wii, we're going to see any media outlets just outright refuse to spend time reviewing Wii U games because the games "aren't made for gamers" (or some other equally odious reason).
I also wonder what the media landscape will look like in six years. It certainly has been changing..
Really? Media outlets refused to review Wii games? Wow.
While I've been playing Wii/DS for a while, I only started checking the gaming media recently. Needless to say, a lot of the Nintendo hate really took me by surprise.
AceBandage
Banned
Well, they've been working on it for years, and likely even before that, they had eyes out on everything.
Nintendo, while seemingly behind in certain areas, do like to stay up to date with technology. They really like to push their own agenda is the problem.
However, the Wii U is a unique case for them. They'll be designing a system more for other companies than themselves. I think we'll see a repeat of the GameCube in more ways than one (as far as tech goes, mind you), and I think it'll be a really "revolutionary" approach to a lot of problems we can't quite wrap our heads around.
I'm racking my brain, trying to remember which magazine or site it was that claimed they wouldn't waste their time reviewimg Wii games because the core gamer wouldn't be interested. Yup.
ColdBlooder
Banned
I really wanted to see the faces of every doom-sayer after the wii took off!
Btw, whats with your status? lol!
My status comes from an interesting story I told in the OT a while back..
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17280324&postcount=44
By the way. Number one reason this is just someone shitty fanboy rumor..
Mii Battle already does this. Mii Battle is a game with Metroid, Arguably Star Fox and other Properties, and Miis in a third person shooter setting with ships and on foot crossplay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3S3ruB2RO4
Mii Battle already does this. Mii Battle is a game with Metroid, Arguably Star Fox and other Properties, and Miis in a third person shooter setting with ships and on foot crossplay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3S3ruB2RO4
That has to be a joke.
One of the big problems is that the Star Fox characters couldn't just pass off as aliens from another galaxy or something, because they're all anthropomorphic earth animals. So it would be like Kermit the Frog being a character in Alien.
The only thing i remember was some site (1UP?) saying they would not review Endless Ocean because it was not a game.
lool
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