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[Silly.Mikey]

I feel like I'm in crazy town. The grenades look like firecrackers in this game. Where are the goddamn explosions? They're supposed to be grenades!

I meant damage wise not visually.

 

[DopeyFish]

Ya but still, its frustrating. For example, athletes today get paid based on their performances on the team, not necessarily the results of the team. They get compared to similar players to them and get similar salaries to those players based on their individual performances more than then results of the team. Gretzky for example was an amazing player even on those sucky teams he was on. Just because he played on bad teams didn't make him a bad player. On the flip side, bad players won the cup on great teams, do they deserve a Gretzky salary because they were at the right place at the right time? Thats where i feel the ranking system in online games lacks. Theres too much emphasis on winning. Im not saying it shouldn't count, but not at the level that it was in Halo2 cause that was IMO too much.

If Gretzky could never bring his team to the playoffs, would he ever been known as the great one?

Sports are defined by champions, in Halo 2... Playing via Xbox Live was essentially playing an unending season.

If its glory you desired, you went to WCG, CAL-O or MLG. Ogre twins were level 50 and also achieved glory.

 

[kylej]

The scariest part of all this is 343 thought Prothean Vision wouldn't be used frequently by good players.

Shades of Bungie not realizing Zealot's space section would be abused. Worrying.

 

[Izayoi]

PV looks fucking stupid. Remove that shit.

Also, the sound design is fucking terrible - what gives?

I still can't believe that there isn't a beta, I've got a strong feeling that this is going to be horrifically unbalanced when it launches.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

The scariest part of all this is 343 thought Prothean Vision wouldn't be used frequently by good players.

Shades of Bungie not realizing Zealot's space section wouldn't be abused. Worrying.

This isn't something exclusive to Bungie or 343. Studios create things with good intentions and how they think/want it to play out. They also base it off of private play testing typically, but that doesn't give a lot of time to learn what can be abused.

The problem is once the game gets out in the wild people won't play how the game is "intended" they will play however gets them the most kills (what they can abuse). This happens often in many games/franchises.

 

[Gui_PT]

Also, the sound design is fucking terrible - what gives?

This is incorrect. Everyone who has played the game says the sound is simply amazing and mind blowing.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Numbers popping all over the screen +10 Kill! +5 Assist!


Halo of Duty confirmed.

 

[This2x4Skeleton]

Hitmarkers.
Grenade Indicators.
Killstreaks.
Perks.
No flinch while scoped in.
Nearly instant respawn.
Sprint default.

 

[kylej]

The problem is once the game gets out in the wild people won't play how the game is "intended" they will play however gets them the most kills (what they can abuse). This happens often in many games/franchises.

I don't consider it abuse, I consider it developer negligence.

 

[Izayoi]

This is incorrect. Everyone who has played the game says the sound is simply amazing and mind blowing.

They're doing an exceptionally poor job of capturing that in videos then, which doesn't really make any sense. Are they over-compressing the audio or something?

 

[HigherLevel]

This isn't something exclusive to Bungie or 343. Studios create things with good intentions and how they think/want it to play out. They also base it off of private play testing typically, but that doesn't give a lot of time to learn what can be abused.

The problem is once the game gets out in the wild people won't play how the game is "intended" they will play however gets them the most kills (what they can abuse). This happens often in many games/franchises.

Exactly. Gears is a good example of this, it was never intended to be centered around shottys but look at it now.

 

[Tawpgun]

This isn't something exclusive to Bungie or 343. Studios create things with good intentions and how they think/want it to play out. They also base it off of private play testing typically, but that doesn't give a lot of time to learn what can be abused.

The problem is once the game gets out in the wild people won't play how the game is "intended" they will play however gets them the most kills (what they can abuse). This happens often in many games/franchises.

Thing is, get some pros in for some decently regular and consistent testing.

They did say good players have no reason for Promethean Vision, and yet its the go to loadout for every pro.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I don't consider it abuse, I consider it developer negligence.

I would consider it a bit of both to be fair.

I'm sure they are watching/listening though. They know they have something to prove, I have faith in them, even if I'm a bit skeptical what I've seen still has me very excited.

Thing is, get some pros in for some decently regular and consistent testing.

They did say good players have no reason for Promethean Vision, and yet its the go to loadout for every pro.

I think they need to find a happy medium here. They need to take a good hard look at what both sides of the coin think of the game and what they use, then take that into account both in balancing and what playlists will exist.

 

[Gui_PT]

They're doing an exceptionally poor job of capturing that in videos then, which doesn't really make any sense. Are they over-compressing the audio or something?

I wouldn't know but it's what everyone keeps saying.

I assume some of the sounds aren't final though

 

[Silly.Mikey]

If Gretzky could never bring his team to the playoffs, would he ever been known as the great one?

Sports are defined by champions, in Halo 2... Playing via Xbox Live was essentially playing an unending season.

If its glory you desired, you went to WCG, CAL-O or MLG. Ogre twins were level 50 and also achieved glory.

Its not about glory, its about properly matching people online. If this is what they use to match people online, then the way i see it is that its flawed. If friends that play with someone amazing all the time and ultimately get ranked up practically as fast as the great guy does because they're on the same team, but let be honest, are getting there cause of that guys performances, once they play without him, they will get destroyed. Thats not properly matching people. I dont care about rank. I care more about being matched properly.

 

[kylej]

Numbers popping all over the screen +10 Kill! +5 Assist!


Halo of Duty confirmed.

Someone in the Facebook comments noted how you can't move after the final kill of the game. 343, you guys don't have to replicate every part of Call of Duty. Keep some parts of Halo, holy shit.

 

[HigherLevel]

Someone in the Facebook comments noted how you can't move after the final kill of the game. 343, you guys don't have to replicate every part of Call of Duty. Keep some parts of Halo, holy shit.

I get most of your complaints but don't you think this one is kind of going overboard?

 

[kylej]

I get most of your complaints but don't you think this one is kind of going overboard?

I'm not upset about it, I'm just wondering why that would be changed at all.

 

[Heysoos]

Someone in the Facebook comments noted how you can't move after the final kill of the game. 343, you guys don't have to replicate every part of Call of Duty. Keep some parts of Halo, holy shit.

:lol. Can't move once game ends!? HALO DUTY CONFIRMED.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Someone in the Facebook comments noted how you can't move after the final kill of the game. 343, you guys don't have to replicate every part of Call of Duty. Keep some parts of Halo, holy shit.

Yea it does seem like even little things from cod are being incorporated.

 

[Fury Sense]

*See through walls
*No need for map control
*Tank BR beats everything!
*Maps are entirely one color

Looking like the things I like about Halo are missing from this game. How will they compensate?

*No armor abilities (even though they were fun)
*No covenant character choice
*Distraction Medal
*Fire weapons

Am I missing anything important?

 

[Stinkles]

Thing is, get some pros in for some decently regular and consistent testing.

They did say good players have no reason for Promethean Vision, and yet its the go to loadout for every pro.

"every pro" has played the game for a couple of hours. This controversy will be proven wildly overblown post launch.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

*See through walls
*No need for map control
*Tank BR beats everything!
*Maps are entirely one color

Looking like the things I like about Halo are missing from this game. How will they compensate?

*No armor abilities (even though they were fun)
*No covenant character choice
*Distraction Medal
*Fire weapons

Am I missing anything important?

Everything. Your way off base with 90% of what you said.

Map control is still important, BR is easily beat by DMR at range and AR up close. out of 3 maps the only one that matches what you have said is haven and the lighting on that map compensates for it.

 

[Gui_PT]

You're missing the fact that there are armor abilities

 

[DopeyFish]

Its not about glory, its about properly matching people online. If this is what they use to match people online, then the way i see it is that its flawed. If friends that play with someone amazing all the time and ultimately get ranked up practically as fast as the great guy does because they're on the same team, but let be honest, are getting there cause of that guys performances, once they play without him, they will get destroyed. Thats not properly matching people. I dont care about rank. I care more about being matched properly.

You said your win rate was 50%

K means nothing.

I can go on the offensive too, but then I'm lacking in defensive responsibilities. I could be camping the other side of the map spawn killing one poor chap while the other 3 are dominating the rest of my team.

If you consistently fail to win a majority of your games, there is negatives to your play style. You can't seemingly blame the other people you are matched with as your opponents had to deal with the same thing.

There is more than just accumulating the highest K, you have to cover team mates, coordinate/communicate and use tactics to succeed.

You have to think of ELO as less of a "skill" number and more of your ability to win games. That is why you match up where you do. Not because you're omg so leet at killing nubs and chasing them around throwing grenades to make them dance.

 

[Fury Sense]

Everything. Your way off base with 90% of what you said.

Map control is still important, BR is easily beat by DMR at range and AR up close. out of 3 maps the only one that matches what you have said is haven and the lighting on that map compensates for it.

I didn't even realize there were both BRs and DMRs. But map control was at least partly based on weapon spawns, also on terrain/layout.

 

[Arnie]

The scariest part of all this is 343 thought Prothean Vision wouldn't be used frequently by good players.

Shades of Bungie not realizing Zealot's space section would be abused. Worrying.

We're stoked for it.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

I feel like I'm in crazy town. The grenades look like firecrackers in this game. Where are the goddamn explosions? They're supposed to be grenades!

Are you talking visually or actual damage? Cause damage looks nice, but yeah the explosions are underwhelming. Needs to be a bit bigger and maybe kick more up, match its awesome sound.

 

[zlatko]

Super stoked for this game.

Videos are fantastic. Odds are this will be the shooter MP experience I'll close this console generation off with. ;D

 

[ZZMitch]

So are major weapon spawns shown to all players now? That is what it looked like in the video I watched.

 

[Bombadil]

I get most of your complaints but don't you think this one is kind of going overboard?

No it's a perfect example, actually. Why would 343 bother changing that? The fact that it's not a big deal whether you move or not after the final kill is the reason why it's a red flag. It makes me think more crucial aspects of the game have also been changed to emulate CoD as well. I personally loved moving around after the match to shoot around with my teammates. It's certainly not a big deal but it is needlessly restrictive.

 

[TheOddOne]

So are major weapon spawns shown to all players now? That is what it looked like in the video I watched.

Yes, all the weapons that are on the map (and cannot be chosen in the loadout section) will have indicators on where they are are. This also the case for Ordnance drops you call in.

 

[ZZMitch]

Yes, all the weapons that are on the map (and cannot be chosen in the loadout section) will have indicators on where they are are. This also the case for Ordnance drops you call in.

Interesting. Going to make for some intense moments as people rush for power weapons I bet.

 

[ShdwDrake]

Call of Duty: Spacemarine

 

[Kibbles]

Love the gameplay but it was annoying to watch with Promethean vision being used every 5 seconds by the players that had it. Not a fan of it either, hopefully an MLG Playlist goes up soon.

 

[DiscoPower]

THIS is what Halo Reach should've been.

 

[Stripper13]

"every pro" has played the game for a couple of hours. This controversy will be proven wildly overblown post launch.

In this scenario why wouldn't you just subdue some of the complainers by outright saying WHY this is an over reaction. Whether the MLG guys had played for a couple of hours or a couple of weeks the concerns don't change. An AA that can allow someone to line up a shot on an unaware player is an immediate red flag. Is there a perk that makes you invisible to PV? Does hologram fool a PV user? Surely someone can drop by a hint on why a player who is careful with PV can have a near constant close-medium range wall hack, is not a cause for concern?

 

[Loginius]

I have seen absolutely nothing that indicates that pv is overpowered in those videos.
Just a bunch of mlg player's neglecting their radar because they can blur their complete vision now in order to see through walls stripping themselves of more powerful choices in a already ongoing fight like the shield or spark strive...
I wait until release before I start complaining about what is op.
To me pv seems like something I will mainly use against a team of campers.

The actual gunplay looks awesome though.

 

[Skilotonn]

In this scenario why wouldn't you just subdue some of the complainers by outright saying WHY this is an over reaction. Whether the MLG guys had played for a couple of hours or a couple of weeks the concerns don't change. An AA that can allow someone to line up a shot on an unaware player is an immediate red flag. Is there a perk that makes you invisible to PV? Does hologram fool a PV user? Surely someone can drop by a hint on why a player who is careful with PV can have a near constant close-medium range wall hack, is not a cause for concern?

It's been said a couple times that you can see the person using the PV by seeing some sort of red laser or something, and/or you know you've been spotted by PV in those MLG videos, and even before those videos as well.

 

[Einchy]

Are there any videos of Longbow?

 

[DD-11]

Here's a way to fix it: When you use it, not only do you see the enemies, but they can see you. There, done, fixed.

 

[jediyoshi]

Good lord the comments on those videos
Looks like non-anonymity doesn't totally weed out crazies

 

[lybertyboy]

I personally loved moving around after the match to shoot around with my teammates. It's certainly not a big deal but it is needlessly restrictive.

Regarding "movement-gate," I honestly don't know what the final build will be like, but in the latest builds around the office you can move after the match ends. I think you're frozen momentarily while the game attempts to upload a bunch of data for dev purposes.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I can't believe that was Neighbor and Elamite...they looked fucking horrible.

Man...I really wish things like double shot, bxr and bxb could be added as skill moves in this game officially and properly animated...Halo mp just hasn't been the same since..

 

[Blue Ninja]

I can't believe that was Neighbor and Elamite...they looked fucking horrible.

Man...I really wish things like double shot, bxr and bxb could be added as skill moves in this game officially and properly animated...Halo mp just hasn't been the same since..

 

[EvB]

I have seen absolutely nothing that indicates that pv is overpowered in those videos.
Just a bunch of mlg player's neglecting their radar because they can blur their complete vision now in order to see through walls
To me pv seems like something I will mainly use against a team of campers.

The actual gunplay looks awesome though.

I just got the impression it was the only thing the understood how to use effectively, I didn't see anyone barely use the thrusters or the HL shield.

Maybe PV is the new sprint. Everyone uses it because they don't have the creativity in their play to use anything else and will just start referring to all other abilities as being 'brokrn' or for noobs.

I also noticed that the MLG players seemed to all be using BR and they even commented they hasn't even tried DMR?! Wtf

 

[Shake Appeal]

Elamite is, like, worse than I am in these videos. Is the BR that different to use from 2/3?

 

[EvB]

Elamite is, like, worse than I am in these videos. Is the BR that different to use from 2/3?

I was thinking that, there were some crazy bad moves going on

 

[Hypertrooper]

Elamite is, like, worse than I am in these videos. Is the BR that different to use from 2/3?

Elamite was awful to watch. I thought "Oh shit" and then I watched Neighbor's video. Much better.

Haven looks like a great map, Adrift looks only good. From the two maps we have seen I prefer Haven. I dislike the fact that they are talking about Longbow but do not show a full match on it and the Spartan Ops video is not about Spartan Ops. Haha.

 

[MMaRsu]

Wow this looks and sounds horrible.. ugh no thanks ill skip this one.