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Halo |OT5| Believe, Again

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a zoojoo

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Breaking news: Actual look at a Promethean vehicle

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Oh wait a minute, i think i got trolled.
 
That's what I'm getting at.
I do agree with Hyper's hypothesis though, that the fact they showed it in the trailer "activitating" seems to imply that it'll be part of the game.

I think it looked kind of .. ridiculous there, but I haven't had a good look at it in months. Interested to see what someone looks like operating it.

Who knows, maybe Cortana goes crazy and hijacks it.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I don't know if he is talking down or not, and his points generally have merit; he just comes off as a complete asshole.

If that is 'just the way he accords himself' then he has a lot to learn about substantively interacting with others; especially if they happen to be other designers.

Uh yeah, if that's his "normal" voice he must be a massive raging asshole in real life. He certainly sounds like he's talking down to people--"that's retarded", "piled a metric fuckton of garbage on it", etc.

And also, what the hell is with all the reverb? Is he pretending he's delivering a sermon in a gothic cathedral?
 

MMaRsu

Banned
Aight guys I just rebought Reach!!!
Sadly dont have enough points for the defiant mappack, just 300 short! Awww :(
Either way this game is amazing, in fact I like it more than Halo 3 I think :eek:.

But the talk of Reach being abandoned when 4 comes out is nonsense. I was playing H3 last night and there were 23.000 gamers playing it so it's not abandoned either.
 
I'm back... with a fancy new Unity 4 license. :) lol...

So how's life been for the past couple weeks? Did I miss any big discoveries in the Halo 4 world since OT4? I've been on vacation for the past week and running through hundreds of pages doesn't really seem feasible right now. lol... :)
 

FyreWulff

Member
Oh Fyre... Why are you assuming linear data for sales?

Because I've been up for way too long. Also, according to Microsoft, Halo 3 sold roughly 5 million of it's copies in the first week.

Ultimately, I still think it's silly to compare sales for a game that's been out for 5 years versus one that's been out for only 2.

Also funny how Halo 2 Vista was retconned from existence, again :lol


I'm back... with a fancy new Unity 4 license. :) lol...

So how's life been for the past couple weeks? Did I miss any big discoveries in the Halo 4 world since OT4? I've been on vacation for the past week and running through hundreds of pages doesn't really seem feasible right now. lol... :)


Welcome back. Now behave!
 
Aight guys I just rebought Reach!!!
Sadly dont have enough points for the defiant mappack, just 300 short! Awww :(
Either way this game is amazing, in fact I like it more than Halo 3 I think :eek:.

But the talk of Reach being abandoned when 4 comes out is nonsense. I was playing H3 last night and there were 23.000 gamers playing it so it's not abandoned either.

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Halo 4 weapons:
AR
BR
DMR
Magnum
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Rocket Launcher
Spartan Laser
Railgun*
Sticky Detonator*
Plasma Pistol
Needler
Storm Rifle*
Covenant Carbine
Energy Sword
Fuel Rod Gun
Scattershot*
Light Rifle*
Promethean Repeater*
Promethean Precision Rifle*
Unnamed promethean weapon #1*
Unnamed promethean weapon #2*
Unnanounced weapon*

That's a lot of weapons, me gusta.
 

Retro

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I hope one of the unannounced weapons is an ODST Silenced SMG...

So the Prometheans only have 2 vehicles? Interdasting.

I didn't see anywhere that confirmed the two new vehicles are Promethean in nature... In fact, given the fact that they can teleport around, why would they even need vehicles?

I know a lot of people aren't keen on it, but I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of body suit or small mech. Cyclops would be cool, of course, but something like the prototype armor in Halo Legends would be interesting too. Especially if it's used in BTB where there's vehicles everywhere. Suddenly infantry isn't a free splatter, right?
 
I hope one of the unannounced weapons is an ODST Silenced SMG...



I didn't see anywhere that confirmed the two new vehicles are Promethean in nature... In fact, given the fact that they can teleport around, why would they even need vehicles?

I know a lot of people aren't keen on it, but I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of body suit or small mech. Cyclops would be cool, of course, but something like the prototype armor in Halo Legends would be interesting too. Especially if it's used in BTB where there's vehicles everywhere. Suddenly infantry isn't a free splatter, right?

What about a Rhino, or Grizzly?
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Retro

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What about a Rhino, or Grizzly?

Well, we already have a 'Tank' in the form of the Scorpion, though if they want to swap it out for one of those, that'd be fine.

A Cobra might be neat as a sort of "Stronger Warthog / weaker Tank", but I don't see the need to muddy the waters with half-steps between existing vehicles. I'd rather have something new that doesn't really fit with what's there.

Also, Chopper. Pwease. Or better yet, have either the Shangheili or the UNSC 'reverse engineer' the chopper. Same big-wheel, vehicle-smashing awesomeness, but without the brute-based aesthetics (which would stick out in H4 since there presumably aren't many/any brutes).
 
Well, we already have a 'Tank' in the form of the Scorpion, though if they want to swap it out for one of those, that'd be fine.

A Cobra might be neat as a sort of "Stronger Warthog / weaker Tank", but I don't see the need to muddy the waters with half-steps between existing vehicles. I'd rather have something new that doesn't really fit with what's there.

Also, Chopper. Pwease.
Doubt it. No brutes.
What about the hammer?
No hammer. No brutes. However it was revealed in a Bulletin that it will be possible to play Grifball in Halo 4, so there may be a new Forerunner melee weapon.
 
I'm really hoping the Elephant isn't Campaign exclusive. I REALLY crave for a Sandtrap spiritual depressor.

Yeah, see my edit. The vehicle idea is cool enough that I wouldn't mind seeing it in Covenant purple.
That would be cool. Like a ghost, but... awesomer.

The Covenant still exists. Where has it been stated that Brutes have been wiped out of existence?
Their appearance is canonically illogical improbable.
 
I know a lot of people aren't keen on it, but I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of body suit or small mech. Cyclops would be cool, of course, but something like the prototype armor in Halo Legends would be interesting too. Especially if it's used in BTB where there's vehicles everywhere. Suddenly infantry isn't a free splatter, right?

My armor lock alarm just went off.
 

Retro

Member
I'm really hoping the Elephant isn't Campaign exclusive. I REALLY crave for a Sandtrap spiritual depressor.

That would be cool. Like a ghost, but... awesomer.

Right. I can see the big spiky wheel turned into something like a red-hot energy ribbon or something, and the control improved a bit by having anti-gravity things under the seat. Dunno what to do about the weaponry on board, maybe something to differentiated it from Ghosts.

That's why I suggested maybe a UNSC 'reverse-engineered' version, so it doesn't compete with the ghost. Instead, it'd be more like... a single-passenger Warthog or a souped up Mongoose. There's nothing in the UNSC sandbox to compare it to.

My armor lock alarm just went off.

1. Armor Lock can burn in the deepest levels of hell forever.
2. Armor Lock and Choppers never met. I like to think the Chopper would win.
 
I hope 343 gives another name to the rogue faction (religious zealots) of Elites, Jackals, and Grunts because technically they're not "the Covenant," which was dissolved after the events of Halo 3 (you could make an argument for the end of Halo 2).
 

Akai__

Member
I'm not really good in introducing myself on forums, but here is my try. :)

Maybe you already noticed that I'm from Croatia, but I lived my whole life here in Germany/Berlin and if my english isn't that good, please forgive me, because english was my 3rd language and I'm still learning. I'm 20 years young and I'm studying informatics here in Berlin.
I want to work for 343i obviously ;)
. I think I've been lurking since the Making Halo 4: First Look trailer came out.

Now some Halo related things:

The only game, that I didn't play that much was Halo 2, because I didn't owned a Xbox (bought the 360 with Halo 3). My favourite Halo game is therefore Halo 3. I don't like Halo Reach that much and before you ask, I hate Armor Lock
(and Jetpack's even more)
. There is only a couple of things that are good in Halo Reach, for example netcode and that it can be really fun when playing with a team.
I own most of the books and I'm currently waiting for the release of a german version of Primordium. So, all in one, I'm a passionate Halo fan and I'm happy to be in a such great community. I hope we will have a great time.^^

If you have further question's I will try to answer them. Feel free to add me on XBL, my GT is CrazY CroaTia, but I will not be online that much the next 2 weeks, because of exams. After them, I will try to reach my Halo 3 50 somewhere, before Halo 4 launches.
 

Retro

Member
^^^ Welcome. You speak English better than a lot of native speakers I've met.

I hope 343 gives another name to the rogue faction (religious zealots) of Elites, Jackals, and Grunts because technically they're not "the Covenant," which was dissolved after the events of Halo 3 (you could make an argument for the end of Halo 2).

Hmmm... a massive religious-driven faction with a heavily warped version of history that carries out the systematic destruction of anyone who runs contrary to their views is suddenly dissolved, with pockets of faithful clinging desperately to their obviously broken and disproven belief system.

<insert modern day religion here, lol, spark 7-page debate with multiple bans>

On topic: Invent some alien-sounding word that translates as "the faithful".
 
Right. I can see the big spiky wheel turned into something like a red-hot energy ribbon or something, and the control improved a bit by having anti-gravity things under the seat. Dunno what to do about the weaponry on board, maybe something to differentiated it from Ghosts.

That's why I suggested maybe a UNSC 'reverse-engineered' version, so it doesn't compete with the ghost. Instead, it'd be more like... a single-passenger Warthog or a souped up Mongoose. There's nothing in the UNSC sandbox to compare it to.
Very valid point. Warthog to Mongoose is a big jump in firepower. It could very well fit.
 

Risen

Member
The problem is Lemon is talking in a normal manner and people think he's talking down to others, yes there are jabs but he isn't talking in a negative tone, it's his own damn voice lol.

See what you just described is exactly what Dae and others are seeing. If that's his "normal manner" and "his own damn voice", it drips with intellectual arrogance and delivers what otherwise could be valid commentary that is diminished by its very delivery.

Whether it's the use of curse words to make an emphatic point, or logical fallacies that are delivered from a self centered personal opinion... to scoffing at the "in between group that he hates so much"... it all comes down to turning it off because he presents his information as if it is above all other opinions by default.

I'm not hating on the guy... I don't know him... and from his other posts I doubt he intends to come off the way he did in that piece. This is just constructive criticism of the piece. I like a lot of his points on maps, power weapons, movement, ranking system, weapon sandbox, etc... not all mind you, and could argue finer points, but in general he is right on point in competitive shooter game play (IMO).

In the end though, all the valid points, good ideas, and cogent comments on what he would do in Halo 4 couldn't keep me watching the whole thing precisely because of that delivery. Remove the snarky narrative commentary and it's a good read/watch.
 
I'm not really good in introducing myself on forums, but here is my try. :)

Maybe you already noticed that I'm from Croatia, but I lived my whole life here in Germany/Berlin and if my english isn't that good, please forgive me, because english was my 3rd language and I'm still learning. I'm 20 years young and I'm studying informatics here in Berlin.
I want to work for 343i obviously ;)
. I think I've been lurking since the Making Halo 4: First Look trailer came out.

Now some Halo related things:

The only game, that I didn't play that much was Halo 2, because I didn't owned a Xbox (bought the 360 with Halo 3). My favourite Halo game is therefore Halo 3. I don't like Halo Reach that much and before you ask, I hate Armor Lock
(and Jetpack's even more)
. There is only a couple of things that are good in Halo Reach, for example netcode and that it can be really fun when playing with a team.
I own most of the books and I'm currently waiting for the release of a german version of Primordium. So, all in one, I'm a passionate Halo fan and I'm happy to be in a such great community. I hope we will have a great time.^^

If you have further question's I will try to answer them. Feel free to add me on XBL, my GT is CrazY CroaTia, but I will not be online that much the next 2 weeks, because of exams. After them, I will try to reach my Halo 3 50 somewhere, before Halo 4 launches.

Welcome. : )
 

FyreWulff

Member
I hope if the FRC returns, it changes appearance again. It's almost a running gag at this point :p

edit: well nevermind, I guess it remained pretty similar between 2 and 3.

edit2: random FRC fact from halo wiki:

The Fuel Rod Gun is the only weapon in the trilogy which has a separate animation and timer when throwing a grenade; there is approximately a 0.5 second longer delay before you throw the grenade.
 

Retro

Member
Very valid point. Warthog to Mongoose is a big jump in firepower. It could very well fit.

Right. Imagine a two-seater Chopper/mongoose hyrbid. Big wheel in the front, some kind of tank-tread thing in the back. One seat rear-facing with some kind of swiveling turret (rear-firing only) and a guy up front (or even have a seat inside the wheel.)

Makes me think of Snowspeeders in Empire Strikes back... maybe give them a magnetic grappling hook to launch at other vehicles and drag them around. Then the Chopper can pull off a tight turn and bear down on the vehicle you snagged... heh.
 

daedalius

Member
See what you just described is exactly what Dae and others are seeing. If that's his "normal manner" and "his own damn voice", it drips with intellectual arrogance and delivers what otherwise could be valid commentary that is diminished by its very delivery.

Whether it's the use of curse words to make an emphatic point, or logical fallacies that are delivered from a self centered personal opinion... to scoffing at the "in between group that he hates so much"... it all comes down to turning it off because he presents his information as if it is above all other opinions by default.

I'm not hating on the guy... I don't know him... and from his other posts I doubt he intends to come off the way he did in that piece. This is just constructive criticism of the piece. I like a lot of his points on maps, power weapons, movement, ranking system, weapon sandbox, etc... not all mind you, and could argue finer points, but in general he is right on point in competitive shooter game play (IMO).

In the end though, all the valid points, good ideas, and cogent comments on what he would do in Halo 4 couldn't keep me watching the whole thing precisely because of that delivery. Remove the snarky narrative commentary and it's a good read/watch.

Being a dick on the internet is a thing kids do.

Cursed Lemon is probably like 20.

Maybe once he grows up a little, learns to remove the dick-tone from his normal voice, then I'll be able to listen to these substantive pieces he puts together. As of now, there are other voices I'd much rather listen to that can simultaneously be critical, but respectful, at the same time.

You can be critical and not be a dick, its not very hard. It is the basis of substantive discussion.

Had an 8 console Halo 3 & Reach LAN today. I don't think we played a single 'regular' game mode. Everything was amazing.

I miss Sandtrap.

Sounds glorious. Would have definitely played CE and Halo 2 as well.

I'm not psyched for Halo 4 at all. Doesn't look or seem to feel like Halo, and I'm specifically talking about the multi. Single also doesn't look too great, I wasn't impressed with the stuff shown at E3.

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MMaRsu

Banned
I'm not psyched for Halo 4 at all. Doesn't look or seem to feel like Halo, and I'm specifically talking about the multi. Single also doesn't look too great, I wasn't impressed with the stuff shown at E3.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I hope if the FRC returns, it changes appearance again. It's almost a running gag at this point :p

edit: well nevermind, I guess it remained pretty similar between 2 and 3.

edit2: random FRC fact from halo wiki:

Since all the other Covie weapons have gone indigo, now is the time to bring back the FRG to its roots, I say.
 
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