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blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Eeeew. Haven't Chobot's parents taught her not to lick demo handhelds at gaming conventions?
 

darthdago

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since this is also still a speculation thread...
Ok in that rumored specs list after E3 there is written "GPU referred to as GPU 7"
So what exactly does that mean?
If that refference comes from AMD then it is about the use of CrossfireX technology?
Could that mean Nintendo used an AMD like chipset with integrated graphics and boost that one with the additional GPU?
I know I'm a bit confused now but I love to speculate how it could be.


BTW here is the AMD link:
http://support.amd.com/de/kbarticles/Pages/737-GPU-7-Howtoconfiguremultiple.aspx

I know I have quoted my own post but by now I've not seen an answer to it.
Would be really nice if some of the ppl who know about the Wii U tech (Devs) could says if that is a possibillity.
Or if that even will give any advantage if used in the right way...
Thanks in advance!!
 

MDX

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Or Jessica Chobot licking a Vita
6691292539_38c97bbd10.jpg

Flashbacks from licking toads?
 

10k

Banned
Is that a demo unit? Yum, delicious nerd hand gunk!
I am more ashamed of myself for being turned on by that gif :(

Damn my high libido lol.

If Wii U comes in black then it's day 1 for me. If they hold out on black until 2015 or somethin then I will wait. I am so done with white.
 

HylianTom

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Riddle me this, though, how many of you are going digital only?

I've been thinking about this a lot, and have finally come up with a solution, I think.

I won't be going digital-only, but since I do like to buy an additional sealed copy of my favorite games, I might go the "buy-digital-at-midnight + buy-sealed-physical-copy-later" route instead. (This would also ease my mind about wearing-out the disc drive's moving parts.)

For games/series that I like less, I'll go digital-only. In my eyes, physical media is big for preservation purposes.
 

AzaK

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Are all of you guys still buying the Wii U at launch?
Yup, provably, but a bit reluctantly due to lack of quality third party announcements. I do think however, being Nintendo, I will get a lot of good games for me and my kids to play together. I also think there's a tonne of potential with the GamePad, so I hope Nintendo can capitalise on it. Oh, and Zelda and Metroid.

Riddle me this, though, how many of you are going digital only?
No way. I am happy to buy digital for small games that I won't want to sell or dont care about keeping. However for games I might want to play in the future, I trust my cupboard more than I trust a company to keep them on their servers.
 

DynamicG

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Embarrassing? I'm not sure what you m- gyaaaaauuuurggh :-/

Coming soon: "How would Jesus have presented Wii U at E3?"

I thought that already was the title of the thread?

*rimshot*

But seriously, those are the kinds of topics that make gaffers think that all Nintendo fans are crazy, overzealous and obsessed.
 

USC-fan

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I know I have quoted my own post but by now I've not seen an answer to it.
Would be really nice if some of the ppl who know about the Wii U tech (Devs) could says if that is a possibillity.
Or if that even will give any advantage if used in the right way...
Thanks in advance!!

not possible....

Wiiu just have enough power or room to house 2 gpus. You would have nothing left for CPU.
 

darthdago

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not possible....

Wiiu just have enough power or room to house 2 gpus. You would have nothing left for CPU.

1st thx for the answer!!

I only thought so cos AMD referred to the GPU as GPU 7 and that GPU 7 from AMD is CrossfireX either way through onboard graphic + additional GPU or through 2 GPU's - all to boost performance.

BTW why is everyone always saying WiiU is to small??
 

darthdago

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Well that would depend on the complexity of each GPU. It'd be pointless though so I agree its not happening.

Hi Donnie, would you plz be so kind and explain to me why it is pointless?!
In my understanding it would tell me if I have 2 GPU's I have more power possible if I need it or not?
 
Analogue triggers would be nice addition but are hardly necessary. Same with multi-touch, which is even more unnecessary. The comments ive seen about Multitouch in particular are a little crazy and ridiculous, considering its inclusion would have absolutely zero to add to any game or anything else but would jack up the price of the entire console. I think some are confused into thinking it needs have all amenities of tablet completely forgetting that it is in fact a console controller that has buttons.

I think a console controller in 2012 should at least have analogue triggers.
 
Because people have agendas

Was the GC that much weaker than the Xbox?

While you can make the argument that there agendas behind it, Wii U is small. And while the case itself should be able handle a decent amount of heat. Nintendo seems to overcompensate, and this time sounds like its unnecessary overcompensating.

And the GC doesn't mean anything in this type of comparison because GPUs today are a different animal when it comes to heat.
 

Goodlife

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And the GC doesn't mean anything in this type of comparison because GPUs today are a different animal when it come sto heat

But the GC had the same "problems" when it came to space and heat as the Xbox, but Nintendo found another way round it that MS.

So the comparison is very valid, even if the problems are different.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Who am I to stop people deluding themselves into thinking case volume has no relation to airflow and cooling of modern hardware? Hardware runs on magic and fairy dust after all.
 
But the GC had the same "problems" when it came to space and heat as the Xbox, but Nintendo found another way round it that MS.

So the comparison is very valid, even if the problems are different.

No it isn't, engineering wise, they were completely different. Having the power supply built in, having an hdd & dvd drive contributed a lot to the space. Plus consoles gpu/cpu were were a lot different in 1999 compared to modern hardware today

There is only one person I see with an agenda here.
 
But the GC had the same "problems" when it came to space and heat as the Xbox, but Nintendo found another way round it that MS.

So the comparison is very valid, even if the problems are different.

Let me repeat (with better typing). GPUs today are a different animal when it comes to heat.

Who am I to stop people deluding themselves into thinking case volume has no relation to airflow and cooling of modern hardware? Hardware runs on magic and fairy dust after all.

Only partially correct. Nintendo hardware runs on magic and Nintendium.
 

Goodlife

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Who am I to stop people deluding themselves into thinking case volume has no relation to airflow and cooling of modern hardware? Hardware runs on magic and fairy dust after all.

Case volume has an effect, certainly, but it's not the only thing that does.
Certainly it doesn't have much of an effect on airflow. You can have a case the size of a suitcase, but it would still run too hot if the vents weren't there, or even if they were there in but in the wrong place.
 

Redford

aka Cabbie
This has probably been discussed countless times, but how expensive are analogue triggers?

I would assume that since every PS360 controller has them, the price couldn't be that high. And (probably) with every next gen controller also having them, the price would drop even more. The only reasons I could come up with why they shouldn't put analogue triggers in it is the price, or even reducing the size of the controller.

Whoa, it's BurnBurn. Congrats on making it in. :p
 

Goodlife

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No it isn't, engineering wise, they were completely different. Having the power supply built in, having an hdd & dvd drive contributed a lot to the space. Plus consoles gpu/cpu were were a lot different in 1999 compared to modern hardware today

There is only one person I see with an agenda here.

Hells bells.
If space didn't matter then, why did MS make the Xbox so big?
Do you think they just fancied shipping this massive box just for the hell of it?

"Modern hardware today" is irrelevant in this discussion.

MS and Nintendo obviously had "problems" that needed to be dealt with for the xbox and the GC. They were obviously different problems than the ones faced now, but problems they were, no the less.
They clearly came up with different solutions to said problems. So why's it so crazy to assume that could happen again.

Also, this whole "WiiU is small" is in comparison to the 360, as we've no idea what the size of the 720 / PS4 is going to be.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Case volume has an effect, certainly, but it's not the only thing that does.
Certainly it doesn't have much of an effect on airflow. You can have a case the size of a suitcase, but it would still run too hot if the vents weren't there, or even if they were there in but in the wrong place.

Right, but modern hardware has a tendency to heat up fast, and greater case volume is required to ensure adequately sized fans and good airflow keep your hardware cool.

As bg said, the original Xbox packed more in the case than the GCN did. It had a bigger disk drive, and internal. It had a HDD. The power brick was internal. Additionally, the Xbox had quite modern hardware for the time, producing a lot of heat.

Size matters, this is a fact, and there is no agenda.
 
Someone a while back mentioned pressing another button for the "waggle" before, I guess like SMW with the separate spin jump button..

I remember that now, thanks. Can't wait to play that game. A Nintendo console with a controller featuring a Dpad and ABXY button layout launching with a new 2D Mario game gives me feelings of SNES launch nostalgia. :D
 

Goodlife

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Right, but modern hardware has a tendency to heat up fast, and greater case volume is required to ensure adequately sized fans and good airflow keep your hardware cool.

As bg said, the original Xbox packed more in the case than the GCN did. It had a bigger disk drive, and internal. It had a HDD. The power brick was internal. Additionally, the Xbox had quite modern hardware for the time, producing a lot of heat.

Size matters, this is a fact, and there is no agenda.

Thank you for proving my point.
 
Right, but modern hardware has a tendency to heat up fast, and greater case volume is required to ensure adequately sized fans and good airflow keep your hardware cool.

As bg said, the original Xbox packed more in the case than the GCN did. It had a bigger disk drive, and internal. It had a HDD. The power brick was internal. Additionally, the Xbox had quite modern hardware for the time, producing a lot of heat.


Size matters, this is a fact, and there is no agenda.

Thanks, but that was GG not BG.
 
Thank you for proving my point.

But you're missing mine and maybe I'm not being clear enough. The GPU's raw power increase also lead to a huge increase in their heat/TDP. Just because 10 years ago GC was arguably able to keep up with Xbox despite it's size doesn't mean the same thing today because GPUs are hotter. If we took those same form factors and applied the power of today's GPUs with their heat. The GC's case would probably be able to handle a Cape Verde at best. Xbox's case should be able to handle a Pitcairn. That power gap is MUCH wider than it would be 10 years ago.
 

Goodlife

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But you're missing mine and maybe I'm not being clear enough. The GPU's raw power increase also lead to a huge increase in their heat/TDP. Just because 10 years ago GC was arguably able to keep up with Xbox despite it's size doesn't mean the same thing today because GPUs are hotter. If we took those same form factors and applied the power of today's GPUs with their heat. The GC would probably be able to handle a Cape Verde at best. Xbox would be able to handle a Pitcairn. That power gap is MUCH wider than it would be 10 years ago.

But there are different ways to keep the system cool that putting it in a bigger case.

And as mentioned above, the WiiU is not going to have an internal psu, it's not going to have a HDD, etc, so the fact that it's smaller the the 360 has no bearing on anything at all.
And we don't even know if it's going to be small compared to the 720
 

Hakai

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But you're missing mine and maybe I'm not being clear enough. The GPU's raw power increase also lead to a huge increase in their heat/TDP. Just because 10 years ago GC was arguably able to keep up with Xbox despite it's size doesn't mean the same thing today because GPUs are hotter. If we took those same form factors and applied the power of today's GPUs with their heat. The GC's case would probably be able to handle a Cape Verde at best. Xbox's case should be able to handle a Pitcairn. That power gap is MUCH wider than it would be 10 years ago.


Yeah but the Wii U is not that small when we compare it to the X360 as the Gc was compared to the Xbox!

And plus we don't know the ps4 and Durango sizes so...kind hard to tell he is small don't you think?
 

10k

Banned
I've been thinking about this a lot, and have finally come up with a solution, I think.

I won't be going digital-only, but since I do like to buy an additional sealed copy of my favorite games, I might go the "buy-digital-at-midnight + buy-sealed-physical-copy-later" route instead. (This would also ease my mind about wearing-out the disc drive's moving parts.)

For games/series that I like less, I'll go digital-only. In my eyes, physical media is big for preservation purposes.
See I'm
Opposite. If I don't like a series or I'm not a big fan, I like to go physical so I can trade it in if I didn't like it. If I buy a game digitally and I don't like it I will never recuperate any of my money back.
 
But there are different ways to keep the system cool that putting it in a bigger case.

And as mentioned above, the WiiU is not going to have an internal psu, it's not going to have a HDD, etc, so the fact that it's smaller the the 360 has no bearing on anything at all.
And we don't even know if it's going to be small compared to the 720

But those ways are also limited and can be expensive to a BoM. Both of us have a similar argument when it comes to Wii U (what's not on the inside), but my argument hasn't been that the case doesn't limit what Nintendo could put into it. It's that the case can handle more than what Nintendo allows. Beyond that there's only so much the case can handle and with the raw power vs heat of GPUs, the gap you saw 10 years ago when looking at form factor is not comparable to what you can see today. The pace of GPU heat grew too fast.

I've made the same argument for PS360 in that they could be better designed for cooling, which in turn would suggest they could handle more power as well.

Yeah but the Wii U is not that small when we compare it to the X360 as the Gc was compared to the Xbox!

And plus we don't know the ps4 and Durango sizes so...kind hard to tell he is small don't you think?

Wii U is small. Or better yet to make it clearer, its volume is small.
 

Goodlife

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But those ways are also limited and can be expensive to a BoM. Both of us have a similar argument when it comes to Wii U (what's not on the inside), but my argument hasn't been that the case doesn't limit what Nintendo could put into it. It's that the case can handle more than what Nintendo allows. Beyond that there's only so much the case can handle and with the raw power vs heat of GPUs, the gap you saw 10 years ago when looking at form factor is not comparable to what you can see today. The pace of GPU heat grew too fast.

I've made the same argument for PS360 in that they could be better designed for cooling, which in turn would suggest they could handle more power as well.

Fair enough
xxx
 

Hakai

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But those ways are also limited and can be expensive to a BoM. Both of us have a similar argument when it comes to Wii U (what's not on the inside), but my argument hasn't been that the case doesn't limit what Nintendo could put into it. It's that the case can handle more than what Nintendo allows. Beyond that there's only so much the case can handle and with the raw power vs heat of GPUs, the gap you saw 10 years ago when looking at form factor is not comparable to what you can see today. The pace of GPU heat grew too fast.

I've made the same argument for PS360 in that they could be better designed for cooling, which in turn would suggest they could handle more power as well.



Wii U is small. Or better yet to make it clearer, its volume is small.

Yeah but compared to what?
 
Yeah but compared to what?

Compared to what I'd have liked to see Nintendo have in a next gen console. What I think a next gen console should look like wouldn't work in that case. And even that GPU on a 28nm process would push it too close for Wii U's case as is.
 

darthdago

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Who am I to stop people deluding themselves into thinking case volume has no relation to airflow and cooling of modern hardware? Hardware runs on magic and fairy dust after all.

But as far as I remember only with Nintendo HW!! :))

No, honestly I try to understand, BUT, there are ways to have a good cooling even in a small case.
Maybe Nintendo should/could make the case bigger but the other way arround I think Sony/MS are to lazy in making their cases smaller and install a better cooling system...end at least this lazyness is not even enough for MS they even suck with that...(RROD).
 

Hakai

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Compared to what I'd have liked to see Nintendo have in a next gen console. What I think a next gen console should look like wouldn't work in that case. And even that GPU on a 28nm process would push it too close for Wii U's case as is.

Now we are talking! =D

So I can expect giant consoles right? Because I thought the X360 and Ps3 to be quite big machines!
 
No, it won't release in September.

Consider this a new info/confirmation whatever.

I was going to say something snarky, but lack of coffee was my undoing. I'm just going to point out again that "The Sunday Before Black Friday" has been a traditional Nintendo Vacation for some time now.



Are all of you guys still buying the Wii U at launch?

My opinion from the beginning of the year remains unchanged. Paraphrased, I'm getting it if it's $250 or if it's $300 with a game I really want (a new TimeSplitters is the bar for this) or if it's $350 with some kind of unexpected godly feature that makes me want to almost literally set fire to my wallet.

So it is unlikely. A shame, because Zombi U and Rayman Legends look pretty sweet.
 

darthdago

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But those ways are also limited and can be expensive to a BoM. Both of us have a similar argument when it comes to Wii U (what's not on the inside), but my argument hasn't been that the case doesn't limit what Nintendo could put into it. It's that the case can handle more than what Nintendo allows. Beyond that there's only so much the case can handle and with the raw power vs heat of GPUs, the gap you saw 10 years ago when looking at form factor is not comparable to what you can see today. The pace of GPU heat grew too fast.

I've made the same argument for PS360 in that they could be better designed for cooling, which in turn would suggest they could handle more power as well.



Wii U is small. Or better yet to make it clearer, its volume is small.

So BG do I understand right that Nintendo could put more inside the case or clock it higher without a big problem?
 
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