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5th Cell CEO (GAF's own Jackson): Wii U is "definitely more powerful than PS3 & 360"
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These posts are amazing. They show double standard and ignorance like no other. Please keep up the hard work, it allows people to post funny gifs after quoting posts like these.
Anyway, so one dev says that it's more powerful and another says its CPU is weaker. I don't think they need to be mutually exclusive. It can still be more powerful overall. And what defines power at the end of the day are the products built upon that foundation. So, perhaps in a year's time we'll see games that awe people.
DragonSworne
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I wonder how frustrating Jeremiah Slaczka, the 5th Cell CEO, finds this thread...
I think he is too busy collecting his banana bunch from Iwata
Stealth20k
Banned
Well, if he doesn't like it perhaps he shouldn't have categorically stated, on the record, that the Wii-U was less powerful than the GP32.
He's probably used to it. GAF says a lot of dumb things whenever there is a new thread about developper comments or announcements.
Unless its something about Valve or CD Projekt, then its all "OMG so good, have my babies".
GamerVoice
Banned
Graphically, it's factual.
What's nice is that he just came out and says that the game looks better. Vigil came out and said the game will look the same as PS360.
They didn't come out during the interview and start talking about CPU clock speeds and what not. I know a lot of people want to know, but it's almost irrelevant considering we get more information in the Fall, system launches in December and by next December the whole 5+ year cycle will kick off for everyone.
All that remains to be seen is if multiplatform games are ported over, online infrastructure and sales. Forecasting sales is next to impossible, so it's best to just wait for the actual numbers.
Holy Order Sol
Member
I can't wait for the OP to receive a PM asking about his contribution to society.
No, it isn't. Iwata said many times that they aren't trying to compete in graphics processing power.
You may think that Nintendo consoles need to "catch up" to some arbitrarily defined specification determined by other consoles or yourself, but that's just a make believe land.
GamerVoice
Banned
If they didn't think they needed to compete, they wouldn't be making a HD console. They would have stuck to Gamecube graphics, which Iwata claimed were "good enough" years ago.
They're trying to compete, they're just not able to because of their unwillingness to sell at a loss.
Nintendo maybe? found them enough exhaustive about this matter.
No it isn't. Hell even if you don't take Iwata's word for it, If Nintendo was trying to catch up, they wouldn't go for less powerful hardware, they'd simply catch up. It's absurd to think that a company with the money and experience Nintendo isn't catching up on the graphics front because they're not capable of it.
Nintendo is bent on sticking to their own thing and who can blame them considering how it went for them this gen?
If there's an area they're trying to catching up on is 3rd party support, online and digital distribution, graphically it's clearly not their objective.
Edit: there's an enormous difference between upgrading their hardware, which is the most natural thing in the world and actively trying to catch up to the competition.
Making improvements/advancements is not the same thing as competing. Please...
After all of these years , I will wait until I see some releases in motion before even thinking about it.
FalsettoVibe
Member
We wouldn't be going in these circles if Nintendo would just release the specs. Why the secrets Nintendo?
Yeah, they could have built a larger console with a noisier fan and got rid of the touchscreen gamepad and used that money for "horsepower!"
Just as long as he doesn't go all Jack Bauer on us!
The Horror the horror
Banned
Agreed. If they could somehow miraculously present a console with the horsepower to match or even surpass that of the hypothetical PS4/XBox Next without selling at a loss, they would. Remember, this is the company that coined the phrase, "Now you're playing with power." I don't blame them, however, since there are more important elements of the game - no pun intended - for them to catch up on, including digital distribution and creating a modern online infrastructure.
It was until comments came out in regard to the processor talking about it being weaker or clocked lower then the ones in the 360. Resulting in some developer saying they had to get creative to overcome that.
These discussions will continue until someone releases some specs or Nintendo/some other developers releases a core game that clearly looks better then anything on the 360/PS3. Or even a port of an existing game that has no imperfections at all.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Can't let the competition in on these things, especially price.
GamerVoice
Banned
They could have sold at a loss like Sony or Microsoft and released a superior console which would have a longer life and offer a superior gaming experience. But it seems like Nintendo fans are more interested in Nintendo making money than they are their hardware competing.
Spieler Eins
Member
No. They should have shown what they can do with the console by presenting actual games. Not karaoke.
Just because you take a 20+ year old slogan and fit it to your definition of processing power, doesn't mean that's exactly what Nintendo meant.
Vane_MagicCity
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The specs obviously aren't a secret INSIDE the industry which is where the competition would get their information from anyway.
Price isn't a "spec".
Why do you equate a few extra "FLOPS" or another 2 or 3 duck taped Gamecubes to "superior gaming experience"
I enjoyed playing most of the Wii games I bought more than many of the multiplatform offerings on the PS360.
flyinpiranha
Member
Price sure ... but specs? It's launching in 4 or so months ... you'd think we'd have a spec sheet or something close to it by now.
Didn't we have a lot of info about the others by this time before launch? I honestly don't remember.
I 'enjoyed' them too, but I would have enjoyed them more if they were on a more powerful console. I always find these arguments strange because whenever a new Zelda or Mario is shown with better graphics people go apeshit ... then when others are disappointed in the graphics because they are subpar to what is the norm people don't understand and it's "not about the graphics" ... well, which is it? You go apeshit over target renders going "THIS IS WHAT ZELDA SHOULD LOOK LIKE!" and then those people disregard anybody who wants it to look better than it is when it actually launches.
I enjoyed the Wii games I played (Xenoblade is amazing) but then I think of what could be if it was on better hardware. That's it. It's not that the games aren't fun but I always feel like I'm "settling" when I'm playing a Nintendo system.
This isn't an argument really about the "fun" of games, it's about how visually appealing they could be (and fun at the same time).
GamerVoice
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This is such a stupid, desperate comment.
The reason people care is because people want to play Nintendo games, but they don't want a console that is so far behind the curve it isn't going to be relevent for anything other than Nintendo games. If Nintendo released a console that was as powerful as any other console on the market, and got most the third party games, it would be my main console. But it's more likely we'll get another Wii, where I play nothing but 1-2 Nintendo games a year and that's it. People want more of a return on their investment than that, because people want to play Nintendo games without the sacrifice that comes with owning Nintendo hardware.
A more powerful system is incapable of not offering higher potential for games. To claim otherewise is absurd. A game like Zelda would be 100x better with more power behind it. It's just unquestionable.
Paracelsus
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You can make awesome games without them looking like blurred garbage.
Dacvak
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Because people on here are annoying as shit. Of course it's more powerful than the PS3/360. It was easy to see that the moment I saw the Zelda tech demo at E3.
It's incredible how many pessimistic, ignorant Nintendo haters there are on here. Like the morons in this thread trying to discredit Jeremiah because he hasn't released anything on the PS3. Do you people honestly think he's not grossly familiar with both the 360 and PS3 hardware? Do you think 5th Cell is without those dev kits and haven't run software on each? Do you honestly think they, themselves, don't have some sort of benchmark for the hardware they have available?
That's why I agree that it's a bit frustrating. It seems like individuals who haven't gone hands-on with the unit, nor are in any particularly educated position, make assumptions and influence others without any proper backing.
I couldn't care less how powerfully the Wii U is, but spreading false information based on a hunch makes us all look dumb, and accomplishes nothing. Yeah, it's irritating.
TheJollyCorner
Member
the fact that people are still going back and forth over this shows just how crappy Nintendo's been with educating people exactly what is under Wii U's hood.
I can't believe we are, what, 4-5 months until system launch and there's still so much misinformation & confusion.
Look no further than their baffling E3 conference. I guess that was part of the problem...?
I can't believe we are, what, 4-5 months until system launch and there's still so much misinformation & confusion.
Look no further than their baffling E3 conference. I guess that was part of the problem...?
Thunder Monkey
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Probably because this is Nintendo we're talking about.
Every thing about it will be tweaked to whatever standard Nintendo wants met, even if the changes don't make sense. The tweaks they make rarely impact the power of the consoles parts in comparison to similar clocked stock parts, but they usually do have limitations forced upon them unnecessarily.
This is generally why we get useless multipliers, and ranges. It's hard to predict what final performance will be like until a game has been designed under it's constraints. It effectively could end up with games that look marginally, if that, better than the current generation.
The system itself doesn't have brute force behind it. So until designed around the systems limitations I wouldn't expect to get a good understanding of the hardware underneath until much later on. It's not like Nintendo will tell us.
From the rumors it sounds like they wanted to get something that ran engines similarly to MS and Sony's next system, but with little cost for components in comparison.
Could be a clusterfuck or could be an ingenious move.
Considering that the best Zelda game came out on the N64, you're argument is wrong.
Vane_MagicCity
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The best version of that game came out on the 3DS.
GamerVoice
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Can you name an actual Wii U game, rather than a tech demo, which looks better than a 360/PS3 game?
Cos launch titles for 360 and PS3 certainly looked better than Xbox and PS2.
while this is true, the reality is these people will shit on Nintendo until Nintendo has a console that rivals its competitors in "power"
Unquestionable? If Skyward Sword looked like Uncharted I would bet you it would also be the length of Uncharted, not the 30 + hour epic it was. You are clearly being absurd yourself buddy
flyinpiranha
Member
Snap.
Good point, there have been no games as long or as involved as Zelda on the other systems. All visually impressive games are 8 hours long.
Randy Pitchford said Aliens: CM will look better, if you are willing to take his word.
And the Nintendo Land guy, Eguchi said that Nintendo Land will run in 1080p @ 60fps - not possible on PS360. All while rendering to the second screen.
Batman Arkham City looks better on Wii U.
GamerVoice
Banned
So Ocarina would be worse if it was on Wii U? Is that what you're saying? Is the basis of it's quality ugly textures and low resolution? You couldn't improve the experience in any way with more powerful?
Do you even understand what you're arguing?
DragonSworne
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3 months until launch, believe!
I also believe companies are actively trying to destroy E3 because it has gotten too big and the conference has been dictating too much planning for these companies.
Like you said, they could. It's just that they don't want to or in other words, they aren't trying to catch up graphically. How this isn't obvious is beyond me.
GamerVoice
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Say you keep the graphics the same. If Wii had more RAM, you could have had the worlds be seemless, you could have had a lot more shit going on in the sky, you could have improved the experience massively by not being limited by how much memory the system has available.
This isn't "lol graphics whore lol" shit. It's just common sense. A more powerful system offers more potential. It's fact. You don't get to say otherwise.
Stealth20k
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you sort of do though, its not black and white...........power might be potential in some ways, but it doesnt equal overall game potential and how good a game can and is.