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DF/Eurogamer: First Xbox 3 Devkit leaks, 8 Core Intel CPU, nvidia GPU, 8-12GB RAM
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cyberheater
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Thanks for the link which details the explanation but it's still a crock. I'm totally convinced if MS had worked with hardware vendors and concentrated on gaming that all this could have been eliminated and running games on a PC would be as easy as running a game on a console.
I had high hopes that Windows 8 would resolve this but I somehow doubt it.
That's wildly optimistic. Not even high-end PC games use more than 4GB.
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Horse Armour
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Yes they do. BF3 can use more than 2GB of system RAM and around 2GB of VRAM which totals more than 4GB.
Just asking,how much ram did high end pc games use in 2005?
Pretty much. Just because the 360 added an extra 512MB RAM in the devkits later on, does not mean the next-gen Xbox devkits would need 6GB for debugging (12 in devkits, 6 retail). That's absurd.
way too much, unless ms reserved a few gb for the dashboard/kinect/other bullshit.
4-6 gb would be enough. look at the stuff developers are pulling off with only 512 mb...
We weren't talking about VRAM though, so I don't see your point.
Obviously the Xbox 720 will have it's own dedicated VRAM.
Horse Armour
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How do you know the 8-12GB rumour doesn't include system and VRAM?
All true, but saying devkits have double the amount of ram still today is mad. Was true when ram still was 512mb maybe, but now it's really much more if you go double. I can see them having 12gb in devkit, 8gb in retail (wildly optimistic for sure), or 8gb in devkit, 6gb in retail.
(incl vram)
(incl vram)
Canis lupus
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How much vram does GTA 4 everything maxed out with icenhancer use? My HD6870s ram is maxed out without even really pushing the draw distance.
without XDR RAM the cell processor in the ps3 would have been ineffectual due severe memory bottlenecks and latency. There's no point in having a super fast processor wihtout a memory system that is fast enough to take advantage.
The faster the memory, the better it is
Actually the 360 devkit had the same amount of ram as retail version. It was increased to 1gb about 2 years ago. So the fact that this devkit have 8-12gb of ram does not mean that it must be half that in the retail version.
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Because who the fuck does that?
mocolostrocolos
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The rumours say 8 GB. But what I meant with my 'No', is that just beacause the 360 Dev Kits have twice memory than retail it doesn't mean the next xbox will follow the same rule.
8 GB would be a problem regarding multiplatform titles if PS4 doesn't approach.
Also, other rumours suggest that Durango's ram speed will be slower than PS4's.
Now turn the 8 90° and call it Xbox Loop
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It's pretty common when talking about consoles. Hell, the 360 even had a unified memory pool.
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People saying 8 gig is too much.
Remember these system probably will be on the market for 6~8 years before the new NExt gen arrives. And frostbite with the new MOH will not even support 32 bit os.
Remember these system probably will be on the market for 6~8 years before the new NExt gen arrives. And frostbite with the new MOH will not even support 32 bit os.
Yeah, I suspect a significant chunk of it will be reserved for the OS. 6GB total, with a 4GB/2GB split (free/reserved), maybe?
They're charging thousands of dollars for them, and the extra RAM is certainly welcome to test out unoptimized code, so I don't think double the RAM would be unrealistic.
That said, I think 4 GB is the sweet spot for retail consoles next gen. Even if PC hardware moves past 4 GB, consoles will still make do.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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2Gb Ram really was what you wanted for a high end PC in 2005, less than that and your load times in BF2 went from 20-30secs per map, to well over 60secs.
I don't see why you say that. Most of this is more than likely DDR which is dirt cheap. I doubt this is GDDR5 or something.
You really need that buffer to profile and debug.
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Exactly. Also, Kinect functionality will also take up some too.
I wonder if MS leave it flexible, so if a developer does not need that feature, they can switch it off to gain extra memory?
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Not at all, it's much easier to use these 'off the shelf' parts, rather than custom.
Considering Intel makes the best CPUs hands down, it's a very pleasant surprise if actually true. Especially considering how things ended with MS and Intel/Nvidia with Xbox 1.
People just need to keep in mind, however, Digital Foundry wasn't able to get anyone on record to confirm this part of the story.
I don't see how you could say this. We still don't know a lot about this system. Alpha kits don't really have the custom parts.
Its taken from the kit itself. The include statement is what gives us the clue.
You're missing the point i was trying to make. XDR was necessary at the time because it was the fastest available memory capable of working with the cell. There's a reason why sony paid loads of money to RAMBUS
And if and that's a big if sony decides to go with their own propiertary processor like the cell again for the playstation 4 then it would mean XDR 2 in the pipeline
PS XDR RAM is rambus developed not IBM
i hope so. as long as they dont make kinect/media features mandatory for every game...
cant wait to play halo 5, watch a youtube video and twitter at the same time!
didn't Microsoft do much better saleswise compared to Sony? So they might invest in a much more powerfull system than Sony.
It's obvious they are moving more towards PC. With all the community things and connectivity these console are basicly PC's.
Wouldn't suprise me if you would be able to upgrade the CPU or GPU in the future. these 5-10 years console with old graphics and cpu should be thing of the past.
It's obvious they are moving more towards PC. With all the community things and connectivity these console are basicly PC's.
Wouldn't suprise me if you would be able to upgrade the CPU or GPU in the future. these 5-10 years console with old graphics and cpu should be thing of the past.
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A more featured and accurate Kinect would actually be pretty awesome. Most of the issues people have with it now is due to its accuracy. I hope they do push the tech, since it could lead to some genuinely cool ideas but I also hope they leave it open to Developers to choose and not force them to add it.
I also hope they open the system up to more Community Created Content. Need to design me some skateboards!
in what resolution?
If Kinect 2.0 kept the processor on board, used a camera with at least 720p resolution and the console had at least 4-6GB of RAM Kinect games would be fucking amazing next gen.
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Just checking--saw people talking about "top of the line GPU at release."
I wouldn't say Intel makes the best Cpu's for the dedicated gaming space.
Also this DaE guy obviously has connections, I don't see a reason to doubt him yet.
Considering multimedia functionalities, Durango games probably wouldn't for a while either.
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Nah dont think they will allow us to upgrade.
The mass market is too stupid or doesn't have the knowledge to do it.
i think an improved kinect could be awesome, but please: not at launch and not at the cost of more powerful hardware. launch the new console, introduce kinect 2.0 with the first big price-drop.
Kinect did well so late in this Gen, so I do hope they put some effort into it for next-gen, without sacrificing the rest of the system. They can appeal to "casual" and "hardcore" if they really want to.
Good point. I hope the system is cheaper due to not coming with Kinect off the bat but how long after launch do you announce Kinect 2? Or will they push it out with Kinect 1 and upgrade it later?
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PC gaming is eternal.
That said, going with "stock" PC parts means that it'll be incredibly difficult for consoles to keep up the usual 5+ years cycle as they'll appear obsolete even faster than before. Figuring out ways to take advantage of the custom console architecture was always an inherent advantage (since it meant developers were spending more time getting familiar with the architecture and in turn, they were able to improve on the same hardware basis for a longer time).
Well, we'll see.
I say everyone goes third party and makes games on the Steam box Splorgenborg.