Console market growth stalling, PC growth continues; PC gaming is dying. Sure has been dying for a long time.
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DF/Eurogamer: First Xbox 3 Devkit leaks, 8 Core Intel CPU, nvidia GPU, 8-12GB RAM
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Console market growth stalling, PC growth continues; PC gaming is dying. Sure has been dying for a long time.
The desktop PC is dying while ultrabooks and tablets are exploding.
Sure PC gaming will be there in some form forever, but not the way it is now.
And I say that sitting next to a gaming PC I built myself.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure with both XBLA and PSN, developers have access to the console in the same way developers of full console titles do. So it's not really any easier providing backward compatibility for downloadable games versus retail ones.
Will you give me your ability to see the future
I can't think of a technical reason, but resetting a persons digital library might break confidence in buying more downloadable titles in the future, and would be a confusing for people having two separate digital libraries on two separate Xbox systems under the same Xbox account. Also Microsoft won't keep support for the 360 marketplace on forever.
This is pure speculation on your part. I don't see PC gaming as we know it disappearing in the foreseeable future
fabricated backlash
Member
In the end most of the potential steambox buyers would buy exclusively from Steam anyway.
And if it was an open system, why even do it? Just get some Steam certified Dell setups and be done with it.
That the desktop PC market is declining is in no way speculation. I'm just extrapolating from there.
You honestly think PC towers will remain in the common household when laptops and in the near future tablets can completely replace them?
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
You'll not be buying any next consoles from MS or Sony then. Enjoy what you have.
fabricated backlash
Member
Hell even Nintendo allows Digital Content transfers from DSis to 3DS and announced that all VC and Wiiware titles will be transferable to the WiiU in some form.
There is no way Microsoft is going to make you lose your Digital Content on the 720. Would be mind boggling if they did.
FlyingTeacup
Member
interesting, if true, but I wouldn't read too much into the more ram bit.
x360 alpha kits were powermacs with ati cards if not wrong, with more ram than x360 has.
x360 alpha kits were powermacs with ati cards if not wrong, with more ram than x360 has.
That is what I was alluding to. Neither can I see what the future holds but I'm pretty confident that PC gaming will last. Tablets are not going to change that.
Yup.
demigod
Member
I sure do. I have 2 laptops and no way are they replacing my desktop.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
Not only that, there is no ATOMs with AVX support yet.
Anyway, they have no chance to tell the difference between cores and threads in that close machine, how could them been able to?
My guess, it's a Ivy/Sandy Bridge CPU 4C/8T.
With Kepler, Nvidia have the chance to compete with ATI at mid/low range TDP levels too, unlike previous architectures.
Finger tracking means you would be able to finger 'click' instead of hold your hand for 2 seconds to choose any option. Just like an air mouse. I can see it over stick aiming.
Yeah devkits usually have alot more ram.
It said based on Atom. I don't see whats wrong with that.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
8 cores running at a relatively low speed, in the 2Ghz range, is perfectly feasible.
specialguy
Banned
I will say if there was any shred of validity to dae, when I asked if the GPU in the kit was "pretty powerful" he replied "eh, it's ok".
That and he said beta kits arent coming for a long time.
He told me 4-8GB RAM, but leaning towards 4, so I said he must have an old kit (because I thought they had 8 now). He said it's the only kit they have out. That stuff (at least about it being the only kit, beta a long way off) had the ring of truth to it.
Maybe he was just really drunk the whole time LOL, and thats why half what he said didnt seem to make sense.
He said he was a dev, and had worked on some big titles (I am skeptical of that). He said he was starting an indie studio, so I asked if thats what the Durango kit was for and he said no (that stuff seemed true).
Nvidia/Intel would mean no BC of course UNLESS, the docs remember showed 360 hardware being in the console too (which, I cant actually imagine, for cost reasons).
That and he said beta kits arent coming for a long time.
He told me 4-8GB RAM, but leaning towards 4, so I said he must have an old kit (because I thought they had 8 now). He said it's the only kit they have out. That stuff (at least about it being the only kit, beta a long way off) had the ring of truth to it.
Maybe he was just really drunk the whole time LOL, and thats why half what he said didnt seem to make sense.
He said he was a dev, and had worked on some big titles (I am skeptical of that). He said he was starting an indie studio, so I asked if thats what the Durango kit was for and he said no (that stuff seemed true).
Nvidia/Intel would mean no BC of course UNLESS, the docs remember showed 360 hardware being in the console too (which, I cant actually imagine, for cost reasons).
I would be so happy with 4-6gb of RAM. The rest sounds good too but I'm just worried how much their forced kinect crap will use. But that much RAM for a game is great, leaves devs lots of room for more detail in games and more destruction in the environment.
edit: Just saw the pc gaming is dying posts. It's like a trip through the past!
edit: Just saw the pc gaming is dying posts. It's like a trip through the past!
I dunno how Microsoft would get both companies to do royalty
They are both so hardcore against it (ip licensing)
Unless nvidia and intel both agreed to jointly go to the foundries, MS takes cost... Nvidia/intel get paid for each one would be my guess... No direct contact between MS and the CPU/GPU meaning customization is done by request?
Potentially having a haswell variant, a maxwell variant and an HMC is pretty terrifying performance wise
They are both so hardcore against it (ip licensing)
Unless nvidia and intel both agreed to jointly go to the foundries, MS takes cost... Nvidia/intel get paid for each one would be my guess... No direct contact between MS and the CPU/GPU meaning customization is done by request?
Potentially having a haswell variant, a maxwell variant and an HMC is pretty terrifying performance wise
You pc gamers think you'd still get quite so many games if consoles weren't around to spread some of the development costs? Be arsy about being the master race all you like, but console games are necessary to get a lot of pc games, and are arguably needed to push technology forward and innovate with how to use the new power available, otherwise you'd risk higher end cards stagnating with simply higher resolutions and framerates compared to mainstream cards.
Desktops are a minority of consumer pc sales, and high end gaming desktops are a minority of desktops. It's a very capable niche and enjoyable for those of you that have opa gaming pc, but god it's a tiresome argument.
Wouldn't intel consumer CPUs be a waste? You wouldn't need half the shit that's in them, don't care about x86 compatibility, don't need HD3000/4000, dont need quicksync etc (unless you could leverage that for GPGPU stuff)
Desktops are a minority of consumer pc sales, and high end gaming desktops are a minority of desktops. It's a very capable niche and enjoyable for those of you that have opa gaming pc, but god it's a tiresome argument.
Wouldn't intel consumer CPUs be a waste? You wouldn't need half the shit that's in them, don't care about x86 compatibility, don't need HD3000/4000, dont need quicksync etc (unless you could leverage that for GPGPU stuff)
UnluckyKate
Member
H_Prestige
Banned
You're in the minority. Desktops are the least practical computers for home use.
It could allow you to run additional debug/dev software on it, while still simulating the production specs. Another possibility is RAM type and speed in dev box to simulate what will be in production specs, but not sure on that one.
MrCunningham
Member
Isn't it usually the case that dev kits have twice as much RAM as their console counterparts?
Also, sounds pretty weird that it would have an Nvidia chipset. Unless Microsoft decided to change this at last minute without making any announcements?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Wow, I've heard some true horse crap but you're on a roll there with some of your posts including some of your followups. Others have already ridiculed you accordingly though so I have nothing further to add.
To be fair, haven't we been at this point for a couple years now?
Yes, which is why PC gamers should be looking forward to the next gen consoles, to reset the bar on what a high end PC can do, and also to see what innovations will come along.
announcements? Why do you think they would announce anything regarding devkits that are NDA'd to death.
Nvidia only seems weird because everybody has been swearing up and down that its AMD without any concrete proof.
Hum...What is the point you are trying to make ?
I think "we" know that console development benefits PC gaming to some extent. Myself I don't complain about getting superior ports. Thanks to consoles we have plenty of games to enjoy !
Keep it coming publishers !
This is the holy grail, and they have been smart in doing so. 1 piece at a time. I am sure however they have watched their competitors with envy along the way and it hurts, but the light is at the end of the tunnel. This is why they can make a machine that will kick the crap out of PS4, they have the money. They also have other monetary reasons to make a system that everyone wants over Sony's, they have other revenue streams to go after that Sony has not established yet online.
dragonelite
Member
I think we should be glad we can throw dx9 away finally.
Thanks. That makes much more sense, and I think if you browse the Steam threads or the high res PC shots thread, you'll find most PC gamers well in agreement.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
man, pc has been dying for a LONG time...
Barack Lesnar
Banned
The best part about this rumor is that it completely invalidates all the 'insiders' here that swore by their sources and talked in 100% definitive tones (re: Nvidia GPU when they've been touting an ATI GPU for months). Reading posts at B3D doesn't make you an insider. Anyway, it looks like at least one of the next-gen consoles is getting the full leap we expect. PS4 will probably be a monster as well but who knows at this point.
Delusibeta
Banned
wut
a) From Steam's last 50 new releases (excluding the Source Filmmaker), there are 15 games of which I am aware of a console version.
b) There's nothing stopping developers from pushing the boat out when it comes to using the power available for the PC version. Even talking about console ports, anyone will find it difficult arguing that the console version of Battlefield 3 looks better than the PC version with a straight face. See also Just Cause 2, Witcher 2, Crysis 1 etc.
MrCunningham
Member
Well announcement was a bad choice of words on my part ... it's 5am here and I am still feeling groggy
. But yeah, they haven't announced anything about the "Durango" yet, and everything we've heard about it so far has been from rumors and leaks. But there hasn't been any official confirmation that they are going with AMD this gen either I suppose. That is generally assumed because you would imagine thay would want legacy support and backwards comparability with the 360. But going with Nvidia would be an interesting choice... especially if they use a GPU that supports CUDA cores...
Loghorn150
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Barack Lesnar
Banned
And how many of those 50 are notable releases? What he said is the unequivocal truth and this is coming from someone who's only gamed on PC almost this entire 'gen'. Many of the best games on PC are console multi-platform releases and simply wouldn't have been made at the same AAA level if there was no console version.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
HD4000 yes. But Haswell DX11 GT2-GT3 with 20 to 40 EU's would be sweeeet paired with a dedicated GPU just for gfx.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Depends on how much RAM the OS takes up, though, which according to rumors is quite a sizable amount.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You could argue this for PC games which have CROSSED OVER into the console space. Let's not twist it to benefit your side of the view. There are plenty of games which have been on PC first and then migrated to consoles. And many of them had AAA all over them but did not cost as much as your average console AAA game too.
Well announcement was a bad choice of words on my part ... it's 5am here and I am still feeling groggy
But going with Nvidia would be an interesting choice... especially if they use a GPU that supports CUDA cores...
indeed
Yeah I basically moved to PC to play console games with better settings but to play games like Crusader Kings 2 as well. PC has its good exclusive games but they rely on consoles to bring the majority of the huge games over. I didn't think anyone would be crazy enough to deny that.
NotPlaystation Vita
Neo Member
Intel huh, I guess Project Denver is out, oh well...
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
Please let the final GPU be a Nvidia Maxwell.
alexandros
Banned
That's pretty much the idea. According to The Verge that started the rumor mill, the "Steambox" is basically a hardware specification set by Valve and a software layer (maybe Linux+ Steam in Big Picture mode?). OEMs would be able to build their own versions of the steambox.
It's time to sell new consoles, so of course PC gaming has to "die". Again.
alexandros
Banned
Double post, please delete