PC gaming is dying?
What is this, 2009?
Console market growth stalling, PC growth continues; PC gaming is dying. Sure has been dying for a long time.
PC gaming is dying?
What is this, 2009?
PC gaming is dying?
What is this, 2009?
I'd have thought that BC for XBLA titles would be easier to implement than BC for disc based games. Maybe I'm wrong? They are also rumored to have a cloud service in the works, so it seems possible that disc based BC might be out in favor of a cloud offering through gold.
Sure PC gaming will be there in some form forever, but not the way it is now.
Why would they only offer DD BC and not disc BC? It's not like Xbox 3 won't be able to read DVDs.
The desktop PC is dying while ultrabooks and tablets are exploding.
Sure PC gaming will be there in some form forever, but not the way it is now.
Not even close. The rumoured Steambx would be an open system, one that anyone would be able to set up shop on.
This is pure speculation on your part. I don't see PC gaming as we know it disappearing in the foreseeable future
No BC, no buy.
As far as I'm concerned BC is even more important now than it has ever been with so many quality titles on XBLA that just disappear if the service goes down.
At least prior to this gen you could always buy another console and play your old discs.
I can't think of a technical reason, but resetting a persons digital library might break confidence in buying more downloadable titles in the future, and would be a confusing for people having two separate digital libraries on two separate Xbox systems under the same Xbox account. Also Microsoft won't keep support for the 360 marketplace on forever.
That is what I was alluding to. Neither can I see what the future holds but I'm pretty confident that PC gaming will last. Tablets are not going to change that.I'm just extrapolating from there.
Yup.You honestly think PC towers will remain in the common household when laptops and in the near future tablets can completely replace them?
You honestly think PC towers will remain in the common household when laptops and in the near future tablets can completely replace them?
The atom speculation is bad. Ivy Bridge has a completely suitable power envelope for a console, they work fine in Ultrabooks. Depending on clock speeds, they could definitely fit 8 cores in a reasonable power budget (30-40w) for the CPU.
I do find it surprising that MS would go with Intel, that would force them to use Intel for their foundries as well. Perhaps the 22nm process is worth it.
NVIDIA would be a surprise too, but not as surprising.
I'm honestly not seeing it. Would that realistically be helpful for gaming (and for what games)? Maybe if Kinect was able to project some (holographic) interface into the room, but just finger tracking?
Quite frankly all this talk reminds me of what people (and myself) expected when Kinect was originally announced as Natal. I'd say almost nothing of what people expected/hoped for came true.
interesting, if true, but I wouldn't read too much into the more ram bit.
x360 alpha kits were powermacs with ati cards if not wrong, with more ram than x360 has.
The atom speculation is bad. Ivy Bridge has a completely suitable power envelope for a console, they work fine in Ultrabooks. Depending on clock speeds, they could definitely fit 8 cores in a reasonable power budget (30-40w) for the CPU.
I do find it surprising that MS would go with Intel, that would force them to use Intel for their foundries as well. Perhaps the 22nm process is worth it.
NVIDIA would be a surprise too, but not as surprising.
8-12 gigs in the devkit mean 4-6 gigs in retail.
I sure do. I have 2 laptops and no way are they replacing my desktop.
why does a devkit have twice the RAM than retail? i dont understand.
8GB of memory LOL
"PC gaming is eternal"
Lol. Let's see how eternal it is once the desktop PC market keeps drying up like it has.
otherwise you'd risk higher end cards stagnating with simply higher resolutions and framerates compared to mainstream cards.
To be fair, haven't we been at this point for a couple years now?
Isn't it usually the case that dev kits have twice as much RAM as their console counterparts?
Also, sounds pretty weird that it would have an Nvidia chipset. Unless Microsoft decided to change this at last minute without making any announcements?
You pc gamers think you'd still get quite so many games if consoles weren't around to spread some of the development costs? Be arsy about being the master race all you like, but console games are necessary to get a lot of pc games, and are arguably needed to push technology forward and innovate with how to use the new power available, otherwise you'd risk higher end cards stagnating with simply higher resolutions and framerates compared to mainstream cards.
Desktops are a minority of consumer pc sales, and high end gaming desktops are a minority of desktops. It's a very capable niche and enjoyable for those of you that have opa gaming pc, but god it's a tiresome argument.
So finally Microsoft fulfills its dream: a completely closed off walled PC where they make money on every single program, app or internet search.
No installing firefox, no using google to search, no buying apps off developers websites.
Everything channeled and price-fixed through Microsoft for Maximum Profit (tm)
Yes, which is why PC gamers should be looking forward to the next gen consoles, to reset the bar on what a high end PC can do, and also to see what innovations will come along.
Yes, which is why PC gamers should be looking forward to the next gen consoles, to reset the bar on what a high end PC can do, and also to see what innovations will come along.
You pc gamers think you'd still get quite so many games if consoles weren't around to spread some of the development costs? Be arsy about being the master race all you like, but console games are necessary to get a lot of pc games, and are arguably needed to push technology forward and innovate with how to use the new power available, otherwise you'd risk higher end cards stagnating with simply higher resolutions and framerates compared to mainstream cards.
announcements? Why do you think they would announce anything regarding devkits that are NDA'd to death.
Nvidia only seems weird because everybody has been swearing up and down that its AMD without any concrete proof.
Let's not forget the new console is rumored to have media features running in the background (dvr functionality for eg) so ram wouldn't be just for games.
Yeah, I suspect a significant chunk of it will be reserved for the OS. 6GB total, with a 4GB/2GB split (free/reserved), maybe?
wut
a) From Steam's last 50 new releases (excluding the Source Filmmaker), there are 15 games of which I am aware of a console version.
b) There's nothing stopping developers from pushing the boat out when it comes to using the power available for the PC version. Even talking about console ports, anyone will find it difficult arguing that the console version of Battlefield 3 looks better than the PC version with a straight face. See also Just Cause 2, Witcher 2, Crysis 1 etc.
Wouldn't intel consumer CPUs be a waste? You wouldn't need half the shit that's in them, don't care about x86 compatibility, don't need HD3000/4000, dont need quicksync etc (unless you could leverage that for GPGPU stuff)
That's still twice better at least than the expected 2gb...
And how many of those 50 are notable releases? What he said is the unequivocal truth and this is coming from someone who's only gamed on PC almost this entire 'gen'. Many of the best games on PC are console multi-platform releases and simply wouldn't have been made at the same AAA level if there was no console version.
Well announcement was a bad choice of words on my part ... it's 5am here and I am still feeling groggy . But yeah, they haven't announced anything about the "Durango" yet, and everything we've heard about it so far has been from rumors and leaks. But there hasn't been any official confirmation that they are going with AMD this gen either I suppose. That is generally assumed because you would imagine thay would want legacy support and backwards comparability with the 360.
But going with Nvidia would be an interesting choice... especially if they use a GPU that supports CUDA cores...
And how many of those 50 are notable releases? What he said is the unequivocal truth and this is coming from someone who's only gamed on PC almost this entire 'gen'. Many of the best games on PC are console multi-platform releases and simply wouldn't have been made at the same AAA level if there was no console version.
And if it was an open system, why even do it? Just get some Steam certified Dell setups and be done with it.
PC gaming is dying?
What is this, 2009?