I read his post. I just disagree. Even my laptop from 3 years ago has more power than any tablet or phone out there. I know that myself and most of the people that I know prefer a full computing experience to that offered by a touch screen device. Tablets are great for a lot of things, they also are not ideal for a lot more. As far a as portability goes, I prefer my Macbook Air to the iPad (in a perfect world Apple would release an Air with a touchscreen,)
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DF/Eurogamer: First Xbox 3 Devkit leaks, 8 Core Intel CPU, nvidia GPU, 8-12GB RAM
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I read his post. I just disagree. Even my laptop from 3 years ago has more power than any tablet or phone out there. I know that myself and most of the people that I know prefer a full computing experience to that offered by a touch screen device. Tablets are great for a lot of things, they also are not ideal for a lot more. As far a as portability goes, I prefer my Macbook Air to the iPad (in a perfect world Apple would release an Air with a touchscreen,)
I don't get this question, it says pretty clearly cores.
You kinda described a Surface which is somewhat of a different form factor. At least MS put a lot of design into "thumbs" control because they expect that Win 8 Pro tablets will sufficiently heavy you will not want to hold them in one hand for very long.
People are notorious for being extremely vague and inaccurate with this kind of reports. Also, Windows 7 reports that I have 8 CPUs, but I only have 4 physical cores.
Is the RAM fixed or can devs allocate more memory for the game and less for the OS?
bgassassin
Member
Oh no that post didn't as that was info about performance. I didn't know you wanted that kind of post. This is the one that I have that isn't based on previous articles that said MS was going AMD.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37382556#post37382556
And that was in response to this post.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37365412#post37365412
If you notice I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed. But I don't have a problem saying it's much more likely to be AMD than a Intel/nVidia combo. See also my comment about who is fabricating the chips in the same post above.
Speedymanic
Banned
Nividia? Xbox 1 BC please, I know it must be a small market but man, being able to play my 100+ xbox 1 games fully on it would be sweet
Isn't Nvidia the reason MS dropped the OG Xbox like they did? I'd be surprised if they've decided to go back to them, thought there would probably be some bad blood between them.
Fourth Storm
Member
Very interesting indeed, if true.
Flies in the face of the leaked doc's plan for 360 BC, however. The way I read it, they were going to have the 360 GPU on a SoC w/ an ARM processor, which would be for the OS, apps, etc and possibly be used by itself as some type of Xbox Lite to counter Apple TV. Then, for full BC, some SKU's would feature Xenon in addition to the new stuff.
Maybe they figured all of that just wasn't worth it...or maybe this is bs. We'll see.
Flies in the face of the leaked doc's plan for 360 BC, however. The way I read it, they were going to have the 360 GPU on a SoC w/ an ARM processor, which would be for the OS, apps, etc and possibly be used by itself as some type of Xbox Lite to counter Apple TV. Then, for full BC, some SKU's would feature Xenon in addition to the new stuff.
Maybe they figured all of that just wasn't worth it...or maybe this is bs. We'll see.
OverHeat
« generous god »
If they gave them a good deal..Im sure that they dont care about what happen last gen.
All-in-one PCs are a very nice form factor IMHO. I have been buying them for years at my job. The Gateway Profiles were impressive in their day. I have now moved on to the HP Elite All-in-ones. They offer a lot of features for a nice price, they are very serviceable, but they do not offer the upgradeability of a full desktop system. For what we use them for they are perfect though.
I don't see what is vague about "8 core CPU" or what the Windows comment have to do with anything. This guy probably knows how to discern.
SwimmingwithChickenz
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I was just thinking the same thing. Well said.
Yeah? My windows comment was to give an example of how common is to mix the numbers of cores and logical threads. For one, there's no consumer grade Intel CPU with 8 cores that I know of.
3-4 GB for a lean version of Windows 8? Why would it possibly need this much?
I'm using Windows 7 right now (which uses more memory than 8) with Netflix HD running (MS Silverlight) and another instance of chrome. I'm using 1.8 GB. That's likely with several different MSVC run-time builds from WinSxS loaded simultaneously, which can be optimized out with a console.
Do you all have no idea what a modern OS uses?
ClovingWestbrook
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I still love how there were some folks who not only WANTED next gen systems to arrive 2014 or later but actually believed yhat Microsoft and Sony would give Nintendo more than a year head start.
Fourth Storm
Member
It takes alot of RAM to stream NFL scores into Gears.
My statement was laptops were a transitionary phase that had a very defined purpose, which was now outdated. And how the average tablet/smartphone is more powerful than all but the most recent laptop releases (which is true. You don't have to go back that many years to surpass the power of laptops).
And I'm squarely in the camp that the laptops are going the way of the dodo. Even more so than the desktop. And for people (which has been a recent epidemic here on gaf) who gleefully state the laptop is going to replace the tower in the future, I argue this is laughable. They're all under assault from the same source. Convergence. And if the tablet kills the tower, it'll kill the laptop too. And the consoles. So people should save the lols unless they're looking forward to the day they're all dead.
Mostly space reserved for possible multitasking use is what is taken in account, since it would be bad to have variable RAM available for game usage.
EternalGamer
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If each mod required approval there is no way in hell it would ever work. Have you heard how long the certification process is for arcade games and how big the backlog is? No way mods would work with cert.
Also there is just no way MS would WANT to do it. Remember this is the company that absolutely refuses to allow free DLC even when companies like Epic want to release DLC for free.
It's not completely going away but it's not a focus (Win 8 can tell you that) and tablets are much more fit to the majority of mobile computing needs because they are small, power efficient (including app restrictions), and don't weight very much. For high efficiency tasks (typing, spreadsheets, development etc.) they don't beat traditional machines but it's kinda not a big point for most (certainly not in whatever context we should be talking about here) and the mobility factors in the office context aren't so important anyway.
I just traced this post about 5 exchanges back and I'm not even sure how we got here. Probably not even relevant anymore.
A OS running whatever algorithm to determine cores is kind of irrelevant here. So is the fact that you may have never heard anything about the supposed part.
Well it supposedly its double as a cable box and DVR that is always on, so it seems like there will be a lot of features running concurrently when you are gaming. I would imagine that takes up a lot of RAM, not to mention the OS itself.
It should never need more than 1 GB for background tasks. There's nothing stopping software from being designed to reduce memory footprint of the OS when running a game, especially when the implication is hundreds of millions of $ lost in manufacturing or reduced competitiveness due to a tiny memory pool for games.
We're talking about Microsoft. They know how to do software.
I'm using less than 2 GB on a general purpose OS with lots of different hardware running with different builds of MSVC binaries loaded into memory WITH video running actively and gaffing. You're telling me that background tasks will need more on an OS with fixed hardware and therefore less side by side binaries loaded into memory simultaneously? Why? How could a console have more background processes than the full OS.
How many years back are you willing to go? A 2Ghz Core2Due is significantly stronger than the most powerful ARM based tablet and that's close to five years old. And I'm not sold on the idea of a dual CortexA9 at 1.5Ghz being stronger than a 2004 AMD 64, let alone "Absolutely Destroys".
Microsoft wants to grind Apple TV into the dirt. The Durango will serve as a service-centric set top box, as well as a gaming machine.
Maybe what some need to realize is that all of the horsepower may not be going where you want it to. Specifically the RAM. Kinect+Windows 8+OS must require ass loads of RAM.
Maybe what some need to realize is that all of the horsepower may not be going where you want it to. Specifically the RAM. Kinect+Windows 8+OS must require ass loads of RAM.
I hope that they have multiple SKU's then so the people who doesn't need a service centric box can just simply game on it.
NinjaBoiX
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Not nessecarily. You're assuming that the footprint for debug tools and OS's is around 50% of the dev kits RAM, regardless of how much it is. But isn't this 50% thing based on current gen dev kits having a gig of RAM rather than 512meg? I wouldn't expect the same to be true when the RAM in question is far larger.
If that was the case, the dev kits for next gen would use around 6 gig. I'm no expert, but is this how it works? Do you need the same amount of RAM dedicated to dev kits as is you do to the actual hardware running the code?
I'm not talking gamer laptops, I'm talking average laptops. So I think you have to factor in end result and nothing more. That means what can it do from a CPU/GPU standpoint. The typical laptop from 5 years ago is pretty skanky and if you put them side by side with a recent iOS/Android device, the portable would be a much smoother experience.
But even that's not really the point. Because it what way is anyone with a recent Andoid/iOS device gnashing their teeth about sluggishness on routine tasks. The point is: there's already enough power to do all the tasks a portable device is useful for. And as such, it's the new king of portable computing. Because it's optimized for on the go and it's a svelte form factor.
Is hard to believe Intel produced a custom 8 core CPU some time ago without much fanfare, and for something as banal as an alpha dev-kit of an un-announced console and give it exclusivity. Is much easier to believe that 8 threads is being reported as 8 cores, or it has two CPU's, or is indeed using AMD.
That's mostly thanks to a much lighter weight OS.
This is Microsoft we're talking about. It's their way or the highway.
Home consoles in general are moving towards service centric existences.
Delusibeta
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Not going to happen. I expect the differences between SKUs will be hard drive size and whether it includes Kinect 2 or not. The focus on services instead of games will probably apply to all of the SKUs.
Actually, didn't the 360 devkit only get upgraded with 1GB ram mid way through the console cycle?
The rumor is for the final retail unit to have 8-cores. Us not hearing about it means next to nothing. NDA's exist. Its easier to believe because apparently discerning between cores and threads is beyond everybody.
Canis lupus
Member
I hope they locate 2GB for OS/Kinect. OS footprint can always be reduced down the line.
True but to me they would be ignoring a huge part of their fan base who doesn't need this kind of service.
That would completely suck as a consumer. In theory this is a good idea but here they are forcing people to buy extra horse power for something they more than likely won't use.
I put in a stealth edit that kind of addressed it somewhat. But in my mind, I consider that irrelevant. In fact, I think it only supports my cause that these are the true portable computers because they've been designed from the ground up for their purpose. They're not just some shrunken desktop clunking along.
P.S. Totally agree about the quad core/8 thread bit for CPU.
So, we agree that there isn't an Intel 8 core CPU in the wild being used for the 720 kit atm? If so, we are good.
So, we agree that there isn't an Intel 8 core CPU in the wild being used for the 720 kit atm? If so, we are good.
Well I guess. I never suggested there was.
Horsemama1956
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What kind of deal though? nVidia is having real problems even making a half decent stock for their PC graphics cards. I don't see how they can make any sort of deal, they're like 6-8 months behind.
why does it have to be consumer grade?
Loghorn150
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A lot of people are getting excited about all of the RAM, horsepower, etc. on the next Xbox & thinks that it's going to all go towards games, when they're really not.
They're going to be very disappointed in the end.
I'm wondering about that as well. That stuff won't do all that much to the GPU but could take a lot of CPU/RAM resources, at least at launch.
Canis lupus
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It had al sorts of things, like XTV and hdmi pass-thru. Someone need to confirm if that was part of the leak or if I'm confusing this with Jeff Rigby's posts.