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[The Librarian]

My word the difference in quality going from monitor speakers to 5.1 surround sound is enormous. You have a deep base in your grenades and the like, and the difference in quality in the menu music is fantastic.

 

[Fracas]

Haha, first match in MW3 after getting the Elite content from the giveaway thread, and I get a DLC map.

You hear me, 343 playlist management? Call of Duty is better at getting me in a match with DLC than a damn Halo game.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Haha, first match in MW3 after getting the Elite content from the giveaway thread, and I get a DLC map.

You hear me, 343 playlist management? Call of Duty is better at getting me in a match with DLC than a damn Halo game.

Better? Call of Duty is hand down the best at DLC implementation in the industry. There is no equal.

 

[FyreWulff]

Haha, first match in MW3 after getting the Elite content from the giveaway thread, and I get a DLC map.

You hear me, 343 playlist management? Call of Duty is better at getting me in a match with DLC than a damn Halo game.

That and Call of Duty is actually giving out a token free map or two. Reach didn't even get one, Halo 3 at least had Cold Storage (despite the convoluted requirements for it to show up in matchmaking)

I'd imagine it is moreso the sheer volume of people with DLC in COD that means it's actually easier to find a DLC map.
I don't think that many people actually buy the Halo DLC, I kinda wish they had of offered some substantial discounts or made them free ala Halo 2, just to address this.

I know people would hold off buying until they were free, but I don't think those people would of bought them otherwise.

CoD's DLC matching algorithm is different. There are benefits and drawbacks to both Reach's and CoD's method.

 

[EvB]

I'd imagine it is moreso the sheer volume of people with DLC in COD that means it's actually easier to find a DLC map.
I don't think that many people actually buy the Halo DLC, I kinda wish they had of offered some substantial discounts or made them free ala Halo 2, just to address this.

I know people would hold off buying until they were free, but I don't think those people would of bought them otherwise.

 

[darthbob]

Better? Call of Duty is hand down the best at DLC implementation in the industry. There is no equal.

CoD map packs set the standard in price and quality.

Even if that quality is just half the pack being old maps with new lighting.

 

[Talents]

This is so funny to me.

Not my fault I don't want another game like Reach. My opinion. You've got yours, I have got mine.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

CoD map packs set the standard in price and quality.

Even if that quality is just half the pack being old maps with new lighting.

Quality in CoD maps especially MW3 is dreadful. Price is also pretty steep.

Halo 3 had them beat on both the quality and price of the maps. Hell id say even reach did.

 

[Howdy]

Let's talk about Autosentry.

Do you guys think it will have a "construction time" like a TF2 turret, or be an instant deploy like equipment in Halo 3?

I'm hoping for a "construction time."

I also don't want it to be playlist restricted. I really think the rules/availability of all weapons, grenades, packages, and abilities should be universal in standard playlists.

Damage is gonna be really risky on it.

It can't be too powerful, because then its like having an extra player on your team focus firing. Camping next to a sentry would be too good.

If it's too weak it can be pointless, but that puts emphasis on its placement and use.

I think with sprint, hardlight shield, camo (which would make you invisible to turrets) and jet/thruster pack, the damage can afford to be higher.

A team running multiple sentries could then be pushed on with a team countering by using camo and hardlight.

I just hope we get a chance to see it soon.

They should do a UNSC Infinity "Training Program" inspired breakdown of the armor abilities. An Auntie Dot sounding voice that's all like

>Hardlight Shield
>Developed from blah blah blah technology
>Anti-small arms fire blah blah canon blah
>Be warned, vulnerable to blah blah and fully charged Plasma Pistol bolts
>Melees can penetrate the Hardlight Shield, but not Plasma Sword technolgy

Something like that.

I'm wondering about it's field of fire, can it engage any targets in a 360 degree radius, or can it only face in a certain direction once deployed?

How does it prioritize its targets? Let's say there are two targets in range when it is deployed, and one of them has your flag but he's a little farther away. Will it just fire on the closest enemy, or is it smart enough to fire on the flag carrier?

 

[Ramirez]

Well I'm not buying Halo 4 anyway 'till the MLG playlist is added, so if they don't pick it up, I won't be buying the game.

Actually, I may buy it if there's a decent ranking system, plus a playlist that has none of the sprint/AA/Recoil/Bloom stuff.

Day 1.

 

[Hypertrooper]

As long as AA's aren't in MLG, I'm good.

You are saying it without even playing the game. Somehow I want that the game stays to its original gameplay. If it is not a shipwreack as Reach was.

I enjoy these, but they're not about the development of the game, which is what I and others have been asking for.

I want Making Of's too and I hope we will get some. But I can live to get BTS from Campaign and Spartan Ops after the release. Multiplayer has to happen still...

Ooh, that sounds pretty interesting.

Spoiler

I'm betting the ''greater evil'' is the ancient evil in Halo 4.

Do you think we will face it in Halo 4? For sure it will be mentioned in the game. But what we have seen, I am definitely expecting to not fight it.

The most interesting fact of the book description is it mentions a time which never got mentioned before. I am eagerly excited to find more about it.

 

[FyreWulff]

Quality in CoD maps especially MW3 is dreadful. Price is also pretty steep.

Halo 3 had them beat on both the quality and price of the maps. Hell id say even reach did.

I think Ubisoft still holds the crown for worst DLC support with GRAW (or was it GRAW2?) where they just rebaked the lighting on their disc maps and released that as DLC.

 

[JHall]

I don't know what it is but something feels "off" about Halo 3's aiming, not as bad as Reach but there is still something weird there.


Also if I have to play Construct one more fucking time! D:

The Aim Acceleration in Halo 3 is atrocious.

My friend who played at RTX said the aiming feels like H:CE and H2, which is a huge step in the right direction.

 

[wwm0nkey]

The Aim Acceleration in Halo 3 is atrocious.

My friend who played at RTX said the aiming feels like H:CE and H2, which is a huge step in the right direction.

Well I mean even with screen delay at SDCC Halo 4 felt better than Halo 3 or Halo: Reach (the one TV without the screen delay felt AMAZING!) I just forgot how bad aim acceleration sucked.

 

[JHall]

Well I mean even with screen delay at SDCC Halo 4 felt better than Halo 3 or Halo: Reach (the one TV without the screen delay felt AMAZING!) I just forgot how bad aim acceleration sucked.

Halo Reach is bearable for me. I still remember the first time I played Halo 3 I thought there was something wrong with my controller.

 

[Tashi]

Not my fault I don't want another game like Reach. My opinion. You've got yours, I have got mine.

Whose fault is it that you don't want another game like Reach then? 343's fault you don't like Reach? lol

You've just outright set your mind completely on a game you haven't played.

edit: And about Aim Acceleration. When I went back to Halo 3 is took me like 2 games to adjust but then it was fine. Then I played Reach against last night and it was totally fine. I'm convinced this aim acceleration doesn't exist hahahaha

 

[daedalius]

Well I'm not buying Halo 4 anyway 'till the MLG playlist is added, so if they don't pick it up, I won't be buying the game.

Actually, I may buy it if there's a decent ranking system, plus a playlist that has none of the sprint/AA/Recoil/Bloom stuff.

What a joke of a post.

 

[JHall]

What a joke of a post.

He'll buy it day one... Everyone does.

 

[Jmte]

Hi everyone! My Neogaf account just got approved, so I wanted to start by asking Frankie the answer to a most crucial question I happen to be discussing on Waypoint right now:

Spoiler

Will there ever be a vehicle in the Halo universe called the 'Moa'?

Such an awesome and fierce animal is rivaled by none and feared by all who know it's name. To inspire terror in the enemies of the UNSC and to ensure the everlasting success of the Halo franchise, I humbly ask you if a vehicle be name in the Moas' honour.

So uhhhh.. how's everyone doing?

 

[The Xtortionist]

The Aim Acceleration in Halo 3 is atrocious.

Yep. Probably why there was an influx of people on the MLG forums asking how to get a better BR when Halo 3 was released. Aiming in Halo 2 was no problem.

 

[Ramirez]

edit: And about Aim Acceleration. When I went back to Halo 3 is took me like 2 games to adjust but then it was fine. Then I played Reach against last night and it was totally fine. I'm convinced this aim acceleration doesn't exist hahahaha

Yea, I switched between the 2 the other day and didn't notice anything...

I also find it comical that some guy can say it feels like CE/2 aiming from playing it at a convention on huge TVs for maybe 10 minutes.

People say stuff like that with every new release, "OMG FEELS JUST LIKE CE!", grain of salt...

Hi everyone! My Neogaf account just got approved, so I wanted to start by asking Frankie the answer to a most crucial question I happen to be discussing on Waypoint right now:

Spoiler

Will there ever be a vehicle in the Halo universe called the 'Moa'?

Such an awesome and fierce animal is rivaled by none and feared by all who know it's name. To inspire terror in the enemies of the UNSC and to ensure the everlasting success of the Halo franchise, I humbly ask you if a vehicle be name in the Moas' honour.

So uhhhh.. how's everyone doing?

Take it back to WP.

 

[a zoojoo]

Hi everyone! My Neogaf account just got approved, so I wanted to start by asking Frankie the answer to a most crucial question I happen to be discussing on Waypoint right now:

Spoiler

Will there ever be a vehicle in the Halo universe called the 'Moa'?

Such an awesome and fierce animal is rivaled by none and feared by all who know it's name. To inspire terror in the enemies of the UNSC and to ensure the everlasting success of the Halo franchise, I humbly ask you if a vehicle be name in the Moas' honour.

So uhhhh.. how's everyone doing?

I like this kid. He may rise.
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[Tashi]

Yep. Probably why there was an influx of people on the MLG forums asking how to get a better BR when Halo 3 was released. Aiming in Halo 2 was no problem.

It was probably leading shots in Halo 3 that screwed with everyone.

 

[Fuchsdh]

FUD's archives are now actually complete, go take a look and see if there's something you want to read. (Slightly and Ghaleon's op-eds are freaky to read almost two years later. They're pretty spot-on with regards to Forge, Firefight, and Reach's campaign.)

</shameless plug over>

Let's talk about Autosentry.

Do you guys think it will have a "construction time" like a TF2 turret, or be an instant deploy like equipment in Halo 3?

I'm hoping for a "construction time."

I also don't want it to be playlist restricted. I really think the rules/availability of all weapons, grenades, packages, and abilities should be universal in standard playlists.

Damage is gonna be really risky on it.

It can't be too powerful, because then its like having an extra player on your team focus firing. Camping next to a sentry would be too good.

If it's too weak it can be pointless, but that puts emphasis on its placement and use.

I think with sprint, hardlight shield, camo (which would make you invisible to turrets) and jet/thruster pack, the damage can afford to be higher.

A team running multiple sentries could then be pushed on with a team countering by using camo and hardlight.

I just hope we get a chance to see it soon.

They should do a UNSC Infinity "Training Program" inspired breakdown of the armor abilities. An Auntie Dot sounding voice that's all like

>Hardlight Shield
>Developed from blah blah blah technology
>Anti-small arms fire blah blah canon blah
>Be warned, vulnerable to blah blah and fully charged Plasma Pistol bolts
>Melees can penetrate the Hardlight Shield, but not Plasma Sword technolgy

Something like that.

I really hope you're right about some sort of "Training Program".

Ideally, the easily swappable loadouts and AAs means that your team can attempt to force the other team to adapt, or react quickly if they all go autosentry, all camo, etc. But if players don't know what each AA does, it's going to be a mess.

Also I definitely agree that AAs should be as consistent across all playlists as possible. If an AA breaks the game, then cut it or tweak it, don't just have it in TS but not in Multi or whatever.

 

[FyreWulff]

It was probably leading shots in Halo 3 that screwed with everyone.

Turns out when guns act like guns and not laser tag, people dun get confused

 

[kittens]

My word the difference in quality going from monitor speakers to 5.1 surround sound is enormous. You have a deep base in your grenades and the like, and the difference in quality in the menu music is fantastic.

Ooh, I've been thinking about making the same upgrade lately. If anyone could recommend me some 5.1 systems, that'd be awesome. I know next to nothing about this stuff.

 

[Ramirez]

Turns out when guns act like guns and not laser tag, people dun get confused

Designing your game around real life limitations is terrible, especially when your game involves purple aliens.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Quality in CoD maps especially MW3 is dreadful. Price is also pretty steep.

Halo 3 had them beat on both the quality and price of the maps. Hell id say even reach did.

Maps in COD always show in matchmaking, making whatever they cost a way better deal than whatever they cost in Halo. Not sure about the model for MW3 is, but MW2 and Blops packs were 5 maps for $15, which is a better deal per map than Halo's 3 maps for $10, and those maps always show in matchmaking.

The DLC model (both prices, quantity, and implementation) was very poor for both Halo 3 and Reach. (Keep in mind that Halo 3's DLC situation was only fixed because of the Mythic disc, DLC implementation prior to that disc was terrible).

The Aim Acceleration in Halo 3 is atrocious.

My friend who played at RTX said the aiming feels like H:CE and H2, which is a huge step in the right direction.

The aiming feeling way better than 3 and Reach is honestly the best news I've heard about H4 out of these recent events.

 

[Tashi]

Turns out when guns act like guns and not laser tag, people dun get confused

Laser tag > real guns

lol

 

[Franklinator]

Why have a vehicle to remember a moa when you can ride a moa?

 

[Ryaaan14]

I like this kid. He may rise.

Signed up a month before you actually. Let's see if he gives you permission to rise.

 

[Talents]

You've just outright set your mind completely on a game you haven't played.

I do that with every game. Why get your hopes up for something that may be total rubbish?

And no, it isn't 343's fault. It was Bungies.

 

[TheOddOne]

Why have a vehicle to remember a moa when you can ride a moa?

Guess we got a lot of people who practice Zoophilia.

 

[FyreWulff]

Designing your game around real life limitations is terrible, especially when your game involves purple aliens.

I thought Halo 1 was the pinnacle of game design, you know, where you had to actually lead shots with the pistol.

The Halo fanbase isn't very consistent on what they want though.

 

[Tashi]

I do that with every game. Why get your hopes up for something that may be total rubbish?

And no, it isn't 343's fault. It was Bungies.

So how do you know if you're going to buy a game if you say you're not going to buy it. Like, for Halo 4 you have the MLG playlist as your reason for buying. What about other games? lol

Actually don't answer that, I don't really care.

Just got a text to play some H3 tonight. Gonna stream. Suuuuper excited. Hoping to get a party of 4 and dominate MLG.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Turns out when guns act like guns and not laser tag, people dun get confused

Bullets travel really fucking fast. There would be no leading on most of the smaller maps neccesary. The guns in H3 are like paint brushes, you need to swipe all around to get a real hit. Its embarrasing, the whole game was embarassing, please everyone stop bringing up H3.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Hi everyone! My Neogaf account just got approved . . . So uhhhh.. how's everyone doing?

Welcome! I'm doing quite good actually, thanks for asking ;] Enjoy your stay and just one word of advice:

Spoiler

Beware.

 

[Ramirez]

I thought Halo 1 was the pinnacle of game design, you know, where you had to actually lead shots with the pistol.

The Halo fanbase isn't very consistent on what they want though.

You've never seen me call CE the pinnacle of game design.

 

[Jmte]

Welcome! I'm doing quite good actually, thanks for asking ;] Enjoy your stay and just one word of advice:

Spoiler

Beware.

Thanks. And I'll keep it in mind.

 

[Overdoziz]

I thought Halo 1 was the pinnacle of game design, you know, where you had to actually lead shots with the pistol.

The Halo fanbase isn't very consistent on what they want though.

That's because people played Halo 1 on LAN where leading your shots is fine(ish).

 

[wwm0nkey]

Turns out when guns act like guns and not laser tag, people dun get confused

I don't care as long as its fun, in Battlefield I love leading my shots, in Halo I would prefer they shoot like lasers even though I am not bad at leading.

 

[The Librarian]

Ooh, I've been thinking about making the same upgrade lately. If anyone could recommend me some 5.1 systems, that'd be awesome. I know next to nothing about this stuff.

I got the Xbox-brand one a while back. Like 2008 or 2009. Can't really help you here. :/

Team BRs on Heretic then Team BRs on Citadel. Wondrous.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Why have a vehicle to remember a moa when you can ride a moa?

Personally I want a giant Moa shaped mech

 

[heckfu]

It's interesting that I can go ahead and put people on ignore based on their first post and not miss anything months later. Think I'll keep pressing my luck.

 

[Steelyuhas]

I thought Halo 1 was the pinnacle of game design, you know, where you had to actually lead shots with the pistol.

The Halo fanbase isn't very consistent on what they want though.

I think we are aware of the design differences associated with a game designed for online play or not.

I don't see leading shots as a bad thing in theory, but for online play, nearly instant or instant bullet travel time simply makes for a much more consistent experience over a variety of connections.

 

[NobleGundam]

Frankie won't reveal such a thing, because he has a moa mobile within his Bat Cave beneath 434.

 

[The Librarian]

So how do you know if you're going to buy a game if you say you're not going to buy it. Like, for Halo 4 you have the MLG playlist as your reason for buying. What about other games? lol

Actually don't answer that, I don't really care.

Tashi, careful here. The dude can be posting this to get a rise out of some people like he did when posting that one image.

 

[Gazzawa]

I don't see leading shots as a bad thing in theory, but for online play, nearly instant or instant bullet travel time simply makes for a much more consistent experience over a variety of connections.

I agree with this.

 

[Ramirez]

It's interesting that I can go ahead and put people on ignore based on their first post and not miss anything months later. Think I'll keep pressing my luck.

You're gonna miss out on an awful lot of vehicle suggestions!

 

[Sai-kun]

It's interesting that I can go ahead and put people on ignore based on their first post and not miss anything months later. Think I'll keep pressing my luck.

Lord knows I did this on you, and I haven't looked back.