TUROK
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Nope. I like replaying my games. I don't want to take the risk of having my games taken away for whatever reason.Being funny there are you?
Nope. I like replaying my games. I don't want to take the risk of having my games taken away for whatever reason.Being funny there are you?
You and me both, although there are other legal options as well. And by 'DRM free' I mean that there is no DRM applied to the files."What does DRM-free mean?
Digital Rights Management or "DRM" commonly refers to software that is designed to control or limit how a file can be played, copied, downloaded, shared, or accessed. DRM-free means that the MP3 files you purchase from Amazon.com do not contain any software that will restrict your use of the file."
Apparently only I buy music from Amazon, I must be a special snowflake.
You and me both, although there are other legal options as well. And by 'DRM free' I mean that there is no DRM applied to these files.
The funny thing about all this is we're still in the infancy of DD and before all this started I was already iffy on it. Maybe we are making a mountain out of a molehill of this Steam thing, but this doesn't seem to bode well for the future.
Nope. I like replaying my games. I don't want to take the risk of having my games taken away for whatever reason.
Lol? There is no drm free music or videos.t.
CDs are drm free.
we have the Consumer and Competition Act 2011, yes.
I'd wager that law is tighter then the EU regulations. Consumers have ultimate protection in Australia, its crazy.
Their crap doesn't hold up anyway, don't worry.
No, people didn't know they'd lock you out of your account for this, while providing none of the options the other DD services provided.
Some games are. The Witcher 2, for example.I understand that, but boxed PC games are not more DRM free then digital purchases.
I want to nominate this for ConsumerGAF post of the year.Technically they are only DRM free because of a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
I just want to make sure we all understand that. If it wasn't for the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT cds would still have hidden drm you didn't know you were installing.
"Sony BMG has struck a deal with the plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit over copy-restriction software it used in music CDs, according to a settlement document filed at a New York court Wednesday." Is one such example.
" In the settlement filing, Sony states that it will immediately recall all XCP CDs and replace them with non-content-protected CDs. It has also agreed to offer incentives to U.S. customers to "ensure that XCP CDs are promptly removed from the market." Sony first released details about its CD recall scheme in late November. "
Source: http://news.cnet.com/Sony-settles-rootkit-class-action-lawsuit/2100-1002_3-6012173.html
This is but one example of CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS protecting the consumer from harmful DRM.
I read this post about ten times and have no idea how any of it relates to what I said earlier. I apologize, I'm not trying to be dismissive, I just don't understand what makes you think I support any of this or would try to tell someone to "deal with getting ripped off?" I'd be the guy standing next to him with my own torch and pitchfork.For you sure. For those people that don't agree who are locked out of licenses they haven't used... What do say to them? Give up your morals and values it's not worth it? Deal with getting ripped off? What?
Not surprising though, all companies eventually start to show their true colors once they believe they have a monopoly in their market. It seems Steam is no different in this regard.
Technically they are only DRM free because of a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
I just want to make sure we all understand that. If it wasn't for the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT cds would still have hidden drm you didn't know you were installing.
"Sony BMG has struck a deal with the plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit over copy-restriction software it used in music CDs, according to a settlement document filed at a New York court Wednesday." Is one such example.
" In the settlement filing, Sony states that it will immediately recall all XCP CDs and replace them with non-content-protected CDs. It has also agreed to offer incentives to U.S. customers to "ensure that XCP CDs are promptly removed from the market." Sony first released details about its CD recall scheme in late November. "
Source: http://news.cnet.com/Sony-settles-rootkit-class-action-lawsuit/2100-1002_3-6012173.html
This is but one example of CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS protecting the consumer from harmful DRM.
It's a general ToS, we'll just sue Valve in your place if they fuck around with US account holders.It has in the US... :-/
But this is nothing new. This passage wasn't added with the new user agreement it was there already. This is part of what DRM critics complain about for a long time. You don't own anything and you agree that everything you buy can be take from you and if you don't agree your only "right" is to cancel your account and lose everything.No, people didn't know they'd lock you out of your account for this, while providing none of the options the other DD services provided.
So just download all of your stuff. I don't need an active Amazon account to play my music, so if they change their terms to something I won't agree with, I'll just do my business somewhere else. That's how its supposed to work.I agree this is all bs btw, buuuuuut, even with amazon mp3s, you need an account, drm, you need to agree to terms, the tos, and they can change those and ban you >.< And unless you downloaded all your stuff, and never lose it, well you are boned.
Lol? There is no drm free music or videos.
Want to download you music? gotta download itunes, agree to the terms, sign onto itunes, agree to the terms, then download 'your' music.
Face facts, digital is anti consumer, and its only going to get worse.
And this isnt even a digital issue, the original contract was a phone one I believe, ATT, involved in the arbitration clause and the denying of class actionability.
And that aint a digital rights issue, or digital content. Its a 'you have to agree or go without' issue. Companies are going to flock to it because its there. And the only way to stop it is to change the law.
There are tonnes of places where disagreeing with the tos or an updated tos essentially just cuts you out. Blizzard games, Itunes... etc
Music isnt DRM free, itunes just replaced drm in most cases. You still lose out.
But this is nothing new. This passage wasn't added with the new user agreement it was there already. This is part of what DRM critics complain about for a long time. You don't own anything and you agree that everything you buy can be take from you and if you don't agree your only "right" is to cancel your account and lose everything.
But I'm glad about threads like this which make this problem a bit more known
itunes IS drmmarkot itunes IS drm free now
Valve is a business.
Those are their true colors.
I mean, honestly. That they would act like a business should not automatically label them evil.
Gabe Newell's a smart dude. He's not an idiot. Valve is incredibly customer-friendly. So when they do something that every other company does, maybe that's not a sign that it's evil. Maybe it's just because that's what companies do to protect themselves.
And please don't give me that "but they should be protecting the consumer" shenanigans. They gave up the right to regulate Steam how they wanted ever since the first non-Valve game went up on Steam.
I agree this is all bs btw, buuuuuut, even with amazon mp3s, you need an account, drm, you need to agree to terms, the tos, and they can change those and ban you >.< And unless you downloaded all your stuff, and never lose it, well you are boned.
itunes IS drm
So because every other business does it, it's not "evil?"Valve is a business.
Those are their true colors.
I mean, honestly. That they would act like a business should not automatically label them evil.
Gabe Newell's a smart dude. He's not an idiot. Valve is incredibly customer-friendly. So when they do something that every other company does, maybe that's not a sign that it's evil. Maybe it's just because that's what companies do to protect themselves.
And please don't give me that "but they should be protecting the consumer" shenanigans. They gave up the right to regulate Steam how they wanted ever since the first non-Valve game went up on Steam.
No it isn't. It's backup. Itunes music is DRM-free which means you can do whatever you want with it after it's downloaded. I can download my itunes music and then delete it from my hard drive and still play my music for as long as I have it in my possession. What is the DRM?
So because every other business does it, it's not "evil?"
Shady business practices are okay if everyone does them? Good to know.
I know this is expected but don't you love the way Steam Support put it here.
In the UK/EU I believe it can be ignored as I don't think this can hold up with our consumer rights.
Just like the fact you can get a refund on any digital download in the UK 7 days after with no explanation or even after that if it's not as intended. (I've used that a few times.
FYI: TLDR Version of Steams New Agreement
If you 'lose' you music CD or hell, your toaster, can you go back to the store and get a new one for free?itunes. can you sell it? If you get banned from itunes, can you redownload it if you lose it?
Yeah, steam support is way over their head in this instance.
You have a right to disagree with new subscriber agreements without losing access to your games I think.
If you 'lose' you music CD or hell, your toaster, can you go back to the store and get a new one for free?
I wouldn't say it like this. All I'm saying is, that this passage was in the user agreement already before Origins even existed. Their user agreement was always pretty consumer unfriendly, giving you almost no rights at all. The anti-class action lawsuit part is new, but not the don't agree = lose everything.So you admit you knew they would be more harsh to the consumer than Origins? I didn't see this coming, I must of been blindsided by the Valve fanboy inside of me. :-(
Yes you need to log into your account to restore backups.Question, after a backup does steam need to be online to restore the backup?
itunes. can you sell it? If you get banned from itunes, can you redownload it if you lose it?
What do you expect? It's like every other DD service. This entire thing feels overblown.
This is one of the main reasons I prefer real media over digital for my game purchases. I object to paying for a license that can be revoked at any time, as opposed to a physical copy that can't be remotely destroyed.
I understand that, but boxed PC games are not more DRM free then digital purchases.
Gabe Newell's a smart dude. He's not an idiot. Valve is incredibly customer-friendly. So when they do something that every other company does, maybe that's not a sign that it's evil. Maybe it's just because that's what companies do to protect themselves.
Here's a question, if something did happen and you had access to all your Steam games revoked, would you pirate them to get them back? Would you feel bad about it?
I'm more of a console gamer and I feel safe with my retail discs but even with my small Steam library I can't say I'd feel too terrible about taking back games that I rightfully paid for and should own.