starchild excalibur
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Hey guys, it's page 4. Did anyone make a "quantum is small" joke yet?
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Remedy : Next-Gen consoles are a quantum leap
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Thunder Monkey
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Beyond Two Souls, Quantic Dreams new PS3 game.
I'm not 100% certain. Supposedly realtime, but I can't shake the feeling it's using some post-processing effects.
Metalmurphy
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It's real time but it's a cam recording, and ofc, a gif, so it'll look better. Also the game seems to be running at sub30 fps. Still, it is quite impressive texture work and modelling.
Proelite
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derExperte
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Define "vast majority". Majority of what? Everyone that plays games on PC? Seeing as there are hundereds of millions of those you're right. But looking at and comparing absolute numbers I wouldn't be so sure, especially at the end of next year.
Edit: And while talking about how "disingenuous" the high-end PC argument is because oh so few people have one we shouldn't forget that the new consoles won't be cheap either and suddenly materialize under everyones TVs.
An entire city that's nowhere as detailed as her. That's not next gen... That's compromise.
tkscz
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I wouldn't say we all. I'm not waiting for anything. I just want fun games, that's it. Could careless about high-end hardware as I doubt it would really make gameplay more exciting. I could very well be wrong, as the tech of this gen brought me games like Left 4 Dead and Dead Rising.
WTF?
Metalmurphy
Member
Vast majority = 50%+
And no, I'm obviously not even considering facebook/popcap gamers.
Ofcourse it's not next gen, it's current gen. It's on PS3.
And there's nothing wrong with the city btw.
Thunder Monkey
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Maybe I'm not versed in how they'd put together a gif like that... but why is her face set on separate layers to the background?
Who said anything about next-gen? This is game running on a 7 year old console.
I don't think so. More than 50% is already the majority, vast implies that it's significantly beyond the majority.
Raven77
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Lol yeah, so if its one game your impressed but if its another (on the same system) you aren't? I'm a but confused...
It doesn't look even with the fidelity of the character models.
Look at Uncharted 2/3. The characters and the environments are at the same fidelity.
Metalmurphy
Member
You're right, which only makes it even more unlikely.
A cinematic with great mo-cap. Nothing like gameplay.
Teletraan1
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For all the budget experts in this thread. What is the total cost involved with having to squeeze these games onto these current consoles with all of the limitations they present. How many dev hours are spent optimizing for these archaic boxes from 2005. The devs thought bigger than the box this gen constantly. A quick look at the shitty frame rates, smeared textures and overall piss poor IQ will give you a clue on that.
IMO the smart, budget conscious devs are going to release games with a similar structure as the games we have now but with a decent IQ and no extra effort. In fact it should be less effort since you aren't trying to shoe horn a game into less than 512mb ram.
I think there will be standout graphical showcases if you want to dump a shitload of money at something but the average dev house shouldn't incur much extra cost.
IMO the smart, budget conscious devs are going to release games with a similar structure as the games we have now but with a decent IQ and no extra effort. In fact it should be less effort since you aren't trying to shoe horn a game into less than 512mb ram.
I think there will be standout graphical showcases if you want to dump a shitload of money at something but the average dev house shouldn't incur much extra cost.
Metalmurphy
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What are you talking about? There's no gameplay in Beyond.
Lots of graphics cards are going to struggle once next gen arrives.
Buying a mid tier card is quite useless in the first 3 years of next gen system.
Ill gladly stick with consoles for all the games and im sure their will be many.
The only good time to have a PC upgrade is genreally at the end where i get to play most games @ 60 fps easily.
Buying a mid tier card is quite useless in the first 3 years of next gen system.
Ill gladly stick with consoles for all the games and im sure their will be many.
The only good time to have a PC upgrade is genreally at the end where i get to play most games @ 60 fps easily.
tkscz
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It's in-engine, but there is no real gameplay. It's like Heavy Rain.
Thunder Monkey
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I'm not sure that people should be using that GIF.
Unless I'm just stupid it looks like someone has significantly touched it up in some image program.
Unless I'm just stupid it looks like someone has significantly touched it up in some image program.
Precisely. Leave that for PS4/Nextbox. At minimum I think.
Metalmurphy
Member
It's an off screen cam recording, but there's no touchups. That was recorded from a live demo iirc.
hemo memo
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Word on the street is that the next-gen console's architecture will be pretty similar to that of a PC.
I'm not worried at all.
What street we're talking about here!
Sentenza
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Bad luck for you because you're wrong, then.
I bought that PC in december 2004 to play World of Warcraft and I kept it until December 2007 (when I bought the one I'm using now and that I'm planning to change this autumn).
I used it to play God of Wars, Oblivion, etc as soon as they came out for PC, and I used to play at 1680x1050.
I wasn't maxing the shit out of these games, sure, but it was more than enough to leave a 360 behind.
nelsonroyale
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Its not that next gen consoles are weak, its that modern gpus have become powerful power hungry monsters...The top of the range stuff is powerful, but the energy demands are ridiculous.
I think next gen console tech next gen will be plenty powerful enough to output insane visuals, and it will come down to dev effort. Of course PCs with powerful gpus are capable of more impressive visuals, but at the end of the day it comes down to the devs. In the first couple of years of next gen, devs will be targetting consoles. I doubt much effort will be made to optimize games heavily to the most powerful gpus...
I think next gen console tech next gen will be plenty powerful enough to output insane visuals, and it will come down to dev effort. Of course PCs with powerful gpus are capable of more impressive visuals, but at the end of the day it comes down to the devs. In the first couple of years of next gen, devs will be targetting consoles. I doubt much effort will be made to optimize games heavily to the most powerful gpus...
The PC you made at 2004. will it leave behind 360 @ 2012/2013 ?
Thunder Monkey
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Just looking at the GIF in Gimp though. Is that how every GIFed vid looks? Like someone cut the character from the background? I would have thought a GIF from a video would only take the frames from the video to make up the GIF. Instead of separating character from background.
God of War? I find that hard to believe.
I guess you should rather check out the video ?
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This is what I've been waiting to here. Those "conservative leap" rumors were terrifying.
Thunder Monkey
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I wouldn't be able to see the individual frames or layers. And that still doesn't make sense. The video itself might have been realtime, but I'd wager that GIF has been touched up. Again there's no congruity. Some frames are just of the character with no background, others feature the character and the background.
Metalmurphy
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It's a scene where she looks up to the "spirit" (or whatever it is) and starts talking to it. I don't think there's been any cutting at all.
Still don't believe you.
What were the specs?
Sentenza
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Hardly. While it was roughly comparable as hardware, since these early days many console developers went from using general APIs to coding on metal to squeeze the shit out of these platforms.
Not sure why. It wasn't even particularly demanding, unlike Oblivion.
tkscz
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God of war is not on PC.
It was subpar. However, why not give it a try since a lot of people seem to like it.
I really hope Remedy's next-gen title has nothing to do with Alan Wake.
This is one of my 2 high-end gaming rigs:
Note that it is not my photo, but mine looks EXACTLY like that (same case, same place in the rack, etc). It's a fully loaded Sandy Bridge rig w/2xATI 7850s and a 700w PS. It is plugged into my entertainment center via a single HDMI cable, and is accessorized by the multiple of these things:
And of course this (on a lapboard or a stand, depending on my mood and the game):
Despite the fact that my other gaming rig is slightly higher end, I do most of my gaming on my comfy couch at 1080p on a 120" screen, and it's not on a cramped desk with a little black tower (which, incidentally, is what the Durango dev kit looks like lol).
What's my point? That particular argument is dated.
Do most people have desktop PCs that are better than the next gen consoles? (i.e. mid-end gaming PC) No. Will they? Probably not - most people are unfortunately migrating to inferior computing devices (laptops, even tablets - yuck). Will the purchase of a PS4 yield them with a better hardware/GPU than their shitty Macbook Air? Absolutely.
But what I believe that Thunder Monkey is trying to say is that it wouldn't be prudent of them to claim anything ultra high-end about it.
For reference, btw - the APIs that are being used in future aren't going to be as down-to-the-metal as previous console generations.
Extra Sauce
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Scott Bakula will be happy to hear this.
Sentenza
Member
Shit, I just realized the mistake. I clearly meant Gears of War.
I really don't care, if you want really to put it in these terms.
This is indeed great. I have my gaming PC hooked to my living room TV as well and enjoy many games that way.
I'm just not fond of the "it's not going to be better than PC so nobody is allowed to care how powerful it is" attitude.
derExperte
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Don't forget who wrote what. Nobody claimed the "vast majority of PC gamers will be able to...", you wrote that but there are a few steps between that and "overwhelmingly vast majority of PC gamers won't be able to...".
Thunder Monkey
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This is what I mean:
That's a frame taken from that GIF up there. Almost all of the 186 frames look similar.
I just thought that was very strange, and wanted to know if it's common for a GIF of a video to do that.
That's a frame taken from that GIF up there. Almost all of the 186 frames look similar.
I just thought that was very strange, and wanted to know if it's common for a GIF of a video to do that.
tkscz
Member
This is one of my 2 high-end gaming rigs:
Dude, what case is that? I want that.
DH 101. The pohto tells you, lol.
Welp strealth edit ha !
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I saw before the edit! Those letters aren't even close to each other!