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Dark Souls internal rendering resolution fix (DSfix)
- Thread starter Durante
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Ha, very nice.
Cannon Goose
Member
That 60 fps video looks unbelievable!
Windom Earle
Member
Ok, let's see if my i7 Ivy Bridge is ready for this.
Windom Earle
Member
At 1080p I get highter fps numbers when disabling SSAO, but overall far from stable 60fps, more around 40-50. Also the main menu and some other parts are extremely blurry now.
Durante fix 1.4 runs and looks so perfect for me at the moment, will not switch unless this is a bit more stable.
IoCaster
Member
Yes! This is really working. I just killed the Taurus Demon, Hellkite Drake, Gargoyles and cleared various sections of Burg&Parish all at a pretty consistent 60FPS. It's a beautiful thing. If this can get integrated into the latest version of DSFix it'll be perfect.
EDIT: System Specs
i7 2600K @4.5
16GB RAM
GTX 580
1920x1080 DOF 810
2xMSAA/2xSGSSAA Forced with NI
EDIT: System Specs
i7 2600K @4.5
16GB RAM
GTX 580
1920x1080 DOF 810
2xMSAA/2xSGSSAA Forced with NI
TyrantGuardian
Member
Maybe someone will figure out how to offload that CPU requirement onto the GPU when it comes to increasing framerates? Guess that's not going to happen any time soon though. Oh well, 60fps is a huge improvement nonetheless.
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Metalmurphy
Member
Oh.... so that's what happened lol
Imagine dark souls was as fluid as real life. That's 60fps.
darkpaladinmfc
Member
Would it be possible to change the health of a boss? Because if so you could make Pinwheel an actual boss rather than a joke!
Metalmurphy
Member
60fps always looks weirder when watching videos then when you're actually playing.
Probably because you're used to most videos being 30fps.
Betta Lines
Member
60fps? How is this even possible? Is the animation still 30?
HungOverOnATues
Member
I've thought the same thing myself. Looks so weird.
Be sure to report back about your performance with that cpu. I'm running the same one at stock clocks - never put the time in to try to make it stable when OC'd.
With the 60fps patch I was able to keep 60fps pretty much the entire time with the res at 2560x1440 if I turned of SSAO. With SSAO on I was getting a decently steady 60 with drops to 40 while running around and into the 20s with tons of particles on the screen, like at a bonfire. My CPU's an i5 2500k OC'd to 4.5GHz.
Wake Up Freeman
Member
Amen !
Backfoggen
Banned
It looks totally fine even at 60 fps.
So does it honestly only scale with Ghz? Or does it run better on a quad-core as well.
It doesnt look weird once you're in game though. That video looked weird but in-game its pretty nice. I've gotten used to the 30fps and I just cant sacrifice SSAO for 60fps. 3840X2160, 2X AA, SSAO, Nice DoF, 30fps for me. If they can get 60 fps running with all of those on then yay but it's nice to have options when it comes to graphics
Not at 60fps. I have the same CPU @ 4.2ghz w/ gtx670 and it just locks at 30 but with a few spots hitting at 45 and a few rare spots hitting 60fps.
But then again I have 2x MSAA going on w/ SSAO. Actually, let me test it out right quick and I'll report back in a second.
EDIT: Ok, the answer is a definite no. You can run it at 60fps with 3840x2160 + 1080 DoF w/ no SMAA, no SSAO, and no AA at a pretty solid 60fps. With SMAA it starts to fluctuate a lot.
It doesnt look weird once you're in game though. That video looked weird but in-game its pretty nice. I've gotten used to the 30fps and I just cant sacrifice SSAO for 60fps. 3840X2160, 2X AA, SSAO, Nice DoF, 30fps for me. If they can get 60 fps running with all of those on then yay but it's nice to have options when it comes to graphics
Not at 60fps. I have the same CPU @ 4.2ghz w/ gtx670 and it just locks at 30 but with a few spots hitting at 45 and a few rare spots hitting 60fps.
But then again I have 2x MSAA going on w/ SSAO. Actually, let me test it out right quick and I'll report back in a second.
EDIT: Ok, the answer is a definite no. You can run it at 60fps with 3840x2160 + 1080 DoF w/ no SMAA, no SSAO, and no AA at a pretty solid 60fps. With SMAA it starts to fluctuate a lot.
Hmm ok Thx, i wonder if running at like 2560X1440 would make it achievable..... i don't notice much difference going down to that reso, but i just figures my setup handles it so may as well have it a little higher....lucky im setting up a custom water loop for cpu+gpu with a magicool triple 180 next week, hopefully an overclock will suffice (5ghz ? >.< hopefully).....
maybe dsfix will have 60fps integrated with online then also ^^ (crosses fingers)It doesnt look weird once you're in game though. That video looked weird but in-game its pretty nice. I've gotten used to the 30fps and I just cant sacrifice SSAO for 60fps. 3840X2160, 2X AA, SSAO, Nice DoF, 30fps for me. If they can get 60 fps running with all of those on then yay but it's nice to have options when it comes to graphics
Not at 60fps. I have the same CPU @ 4.2ghz w/ gtx670 and it just locks at 30 but with a few spots hitting at 45 and a few rare spots hitting 60fps.
But then again I have 2x MSAA going on w/ SSAO. Actually, let me test it out right quick and I'll report back in a second.
EDIT: Ok, the answer is a definite no. You can run it at 60fps with 3840x2160 + 1080 DoF w/ no SMAA, no SSAO, and no AA at a pretty solid 60fps. With SMAA it starts to fluctuate a lot.
Just play it at 1080p then. Where do I get the 60FPS fix and how do I combine it with DSFIX?
It looks weird because no one has seen it running at 60 before, so we're used to the crapness of 30fps. After a few minutes of playing, you can't go back. It's glorious.
Zyrusticae
Banned
I'd just like to make a note here: The 30 FPS is intentional due to the use of object motion blur, as it is attempting to replicate the filmic look that uses a 1/24(th of a second) shutter speed to exaggerate the motion blur. On the other hand, it also has unfortunate consequences when it comes to input lag and the like, which is a pretty big one when it comes to perceptual smoothness of gameplay.
Oh... FYI, our eyes don't really work in terms of "FPS", but more like shutter speed like on a camera (hence why fast movements tend to blur in our eyes, and why I think it's kind of important that every game has object motion blur implemented on some level - it really is just unnatural for every single movement to have absolute clarity). I've seen it bandied about that our eyes are something around the lines of "1/50" shutter speed, which sounds about right to me. The reason we can notice the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz has to do with how monitors aren't actually doing any motion, but rather just changing the colors of pixels on a screen very, very rapidly. Plus there's the whole "input lag" thing, which does make a big difference in actual play.
Personally, I find 60 FPS TV and film to look wholly unnatural to my eyes. It's just too clear. I prefer having that motion blur as it just feels right. Unfortunately, when I became aware of this, I also became aware of the lack of motion blur in just about every 3D game ever, with only a few notable exceptions (Dark Souls included). It's become one of those things that I praise a developer for including alongside a proper FoV control.
And that's why I like the game's original 30 FPS look. Yeah, warts and all. It just works for me. (Even if I don't like the actual game... it's still very nice to look at!)
Oh... FYI, our eyes don't really work in terms of "FPS", but more like shutter speed like on a camera (hence why fast movements tend to blur in our eyes, and why I think it's kind of important that every game has object motion blur implemented on some level - it really is just unnatural for every single movement to have absolute clarity). I've seen it bandied about that our eyes are something around the lines of "1/50" shutter speed, which sounds about right to me. The reason we can notice the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz has to do with how monitors aren't actually doing any motion, but rather just changing the colors of pixels on a screen very, very rapidly. Plus there's the whole "input lag" thing, which does make a big difference in actual play.
Personally, I find 60 FPS TV and film to look wholly unnatural to my eyes. It's just too clear. I prefer having that motion blur as it just feels right. Unfortunately, when I became aware of this, I also became aware of the lack of motion blur in just about every 3D game ever, with only a few notable exceptions (Dark Souls included). It's become one of those things that I praise a developer for including alongside a proper FoV control.
And that's why I like the game's original 30 FPS look. Yeah, warts and all. It just works for me. (Even if I don't like the actual game... it's still very nice to look at!)
No, our eyes don't work like shutters. You can take a 1/200s frame, flash it, and the human eye will detect it...that wouldn't be the case if the eye operated like a shutter. And FYI, we can perceive flashing up to around 72-75Hz (called the flicker-fusion threshold).
30fps is a technical limitation of Dark Souls. There's no artistic reason for locking the game at 30fps.
edit: can we not access our game saves with the 60fps fix?
30fps is a technical limitation of Dark Souls. There's no artistic reason for locking the game at 30fps.
edit: can we not access our game saves with the 60fps fix?
Technosteve
Banned
60 fps makes the game looks so smooth and ninja gaiden like. but it removes the cinematic feel to the game.
No, that would need at least 140 FPS
The issue is that the 60 FPS fix makes direct modifications to the address space of the DS executable. This would be detected by the GFWL cheat protection system (which promptly causes the game to crash), which is why a live dll from a crack is included that turns off live. This also turns off online (which is completely unacceptable to me in this game) and makes saves incompatible with those stored using your live account.
Backfoggen
Banned
I think GFWL encrypts the save games so a version without GFWL won't have the same encryption and won't work.
I'm waiting till this 60 fps fix works online and with my save games.
Yeah I'm going to stick with 30fps. Not worth losing online for, and my system isn't good enough to maintain 60fps @ 3840*2160.
I also maaaaybe take back what I said about 30fps not being an artistic decision. This is the first game I've played where I definitely don't prefer the look of 60fps. Not sure why.
I also maaaaybe take back what I said about 30fps not being an artistic decision. This is the first game I've played where I definitely don't prefer the look of 60fps. Not sure why.
Zyrusticae
Banned
Well, yes, our eyes indeed don't work like shutters in that we don't, well, "shutter" our eyes and so we can still detect changes well above what a camera at the same "speed" would detect. But when it comes to detecting motion and the clarity of that motion we're pretty darn close to a 1/50 shutter speed. Compare 1/50 video with what you see IRL and it'll be really close. 1/60 is just high enough that it starts to look unnaturally clear.
And there is definitely an artistic reason for locking the game at 30 FPS, it's really clearly evident just watching the 60 FPS video. The motion blur just isn't there anymore.
Edit: Also, even a camera will detect a 1/200s frame at 1/50 shutter speed. It'll just show up in one of the frames at 1/4 of its intensity.
Weren't the animations tied to FPS? Looking at the footage posted it looks weird as hell and like some sort of TV 120hz effect, like sped up footage than actual smooth framerate. If it was done correctly, 60FPS would be superior.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
hm... if buying new CPU means I can get 60fps dark souls... =D
The animation speed is tied to the animation engine's frame rate setting (which is somewhat decoupled from the render engine's speed), which is correctly adjusted by the 60 FPS fix. The only reason I can think of why it looks weird to you is that you are so used to seeing the game at 30. Like people who feel that 48 FPS movies are "weird".
Well, except I don't play the game at all - So I can't have gotten used to anything
I play 60FPS games all day long and looking at the footage posted it looked completely wrong.Backfoggen
Banned
Game looks like just about any 60 fps game. Maybe it looks weird cause it breaks the motion blur effect.
scorpscarx
Member
I there anyway to get a 16:10 window running, tried your force window resolution but game still produces black bars in windowed. Why you no let me use 1920 1200 window DS?
E: I usually like clarity as well, but for Dark Souls the up-close blurring and far blurring kind of adds to the atmosphere and I really like it.
E: I usually like clarity as well, but for Dark Souls the up-close blurring and far blurring kind of adds to the atmosphere and I really like it.
Bah, No. I'll stick with my 3840x2160 downsample with MSAA with SSAO, Motion Blur and very nice DoF all at 30fps thank you very much! Sharper textures, DoF, Great IQ and "contact shadows" ftw
indigo-cyclops
Member
I'm with you actually. I think 60fps here just seems too artificial, if that makes sense. The game runs perfectly for me and looks amazing at 30.
Lol, I think it looks waaay better at 60fps, but to each his own. I just hope he keeps working on it if it can be further optimized.
There was a nico vid earlier of someone using the 60FPS thing. For those with no account - http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18896592
Quality is bad etc but you can see it drops to 30FPS in blighttown lol.
Quality is bad etc but you can see it drops to 30FPS in blighttown lol.
ninjaurbano
Member
I'm playing at 60fps without motion blur and it looks MUCH better.
Performance is also very good. No drops with an i5 3570k (4.5ghz) and a GTX 670 - using 2720x1536 and ultra SMAA.
Performance is also very good. No drops with an i5 3570k (4.5ghz) and a GTX 670 - using 2720x1536 and ultra SMAA.